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Does Alexa have <clap clap clap> legitimate grievances?
This poll is closed.
Yes, she's right and Kurt Angle is a sexist. 23 23.71%
No, she's just looking for an out to escape a beating 4 4.12%
It can be both, you goddamn idiot. 30 30.93%
THE BIG DOG! 40 41.24%
Total: 97 votes
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DarkstarIV
Apr 6, 2010

Mr. Intensity


My problem with submissions in WWE is that if a babyface taps out, it generally makes them look bad (and creative will go out of their way to reflect that in the future), unless the person who applies the finisher is a submission specialist. I would prefer the babyface to pass out over tapping out. It essentially serves the same purpose but also keeps the babyface looking somewhat strong.

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Phenix Rising
Oct 24, 2005

TOUGH GUUUUUY


Aphrodite posted:

Then it wouldn't be Live and that would just cause brand confusion.

Just rename it 205 Liv and put Liv on commentary boom problem solved

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Phenix Rising posted:

Just rename it 205 Liv and put Liv on commentary boom problem solved

205 LivE. Vic and Nigel are replaced by Liv and Big E.

Phenix Rising
Oct 24, 2005

TOUGH GUUUUUY


Gaz-L posted:

205 LivE. Vic and Nigel are replaced by Liv and Big E.

This would quickly become the A-Show.

Marquis de Pyro
Sep 25, 2006

Evil Prevails

All kinds of shows are called live and aren't actually live or are full of prerecorded segments, WWE might as well get in on the fun imo #futureofbrandingorsomeshit

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION~!

he knows...


DarkstarIV posted:

I would prefer the babyface to pass out over tapping out. It essentially serves the same purpose but also keeps the babyface looking somewhat strong.
That's what I loved about Asuka's and Bayley's first match, but going by twitter, youtube, facebook, forums, etc, it seems that was confusing and not popular at all. (Probably because WWE do it so rarely.)

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



Bring back 3 hand lifts for submissions.

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"


The last thing I need is a million dragged out heroic pass out finishes

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Your voice may have changed but your breath is still the same.

My goodness, Hot Stuff!


piss tape israel posted:

You guys should give this a read if you haven't yet because it's incredibly bizarre an angle involving Trish and Mickie was supposedly written based on the allegations against Vince

I have absolutely no problem believing that to be the case.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

SKATE FAST
EAT ASS


Soiled Meat

Bring back Ken Shamrock.

Phenix Rising
Oct 24, 2005

TOUGH GUUUUUY


pressedbunny posted:

That's what I loved about Asuka's and Bayley's first match, but going by twitter, youtube, facebook, forums, etc, it seems that was confusing and not popular at all. (Probably because WWE do it so rarely.)

I think it was that it was just so sudden. From what I recall, she passed out pretty quickly in the hold rather than doing the big drawn out babyface spot. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I do remember it just not coming off super exciting when it happened.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

andey...


well the problem was that bayley didn't pass out irl. you could tell it was one of those matches "for the show" instead of real which doesn't usually happen in big matches or title matches.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003



Rename it to 210 When? and never play it at the same time twice in a row

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

SKATE FAST
EAT ASS


Soiled Meat


His head stays up all by itself

Havoc904
Jul 29, 2006

I trusted you before, Snakeman! Before My Gods I trust you once again! Bury me Snakeman! Bury me Alive! BURY MEEEE!


I was just watching the tag team Elimination Chamber from right before he went out last night and thinking about how great of a team Cesaro & Kidd were. Their offense was incredibly crisp and layered. While I'm glad he's alive, it blows that we didn't get to see more of that team.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

I still remember the meet and greet before Wrestlemania 29, before Cesaro and Kidd were actually a team. Cesaro was asked who he thought the most underrated person in WWE was. He just silently pointed up to Kidd in a far bleacher, signing autographs for a crowd of few

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008



Gravy Boat 2k

Submission finishes haven't been done particularly well in the WWE for a long rear end time.

There's a mentality to them separate from the match itself, and there's nothing more frustrating to me than an early tap out/pass out spot.


If they were done better, there's a chance the crowd would react differently to them.

VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

#HEKNOWS
#SCOOPS
#IGNOREMYPOSTS


I had no idea how great submission finishes could be until I watched the Naito/Tanahashi matches from last year.

DarkstarIV
Apr 6, 2010

Mr. Intensity


VJeff posted:

I had no idea how great submission finishes could be until I watched the Naito/Tanahashi matches from last year.

Submission finishes are great when done correctly. The problem is that WWE rarely (if ever) follows through on them correctly. Usually what ends up happening is the face or heel who taps out ends up falling down the card, and the audience having no reason to continue investing in them as a result, unless said face or heel gets comeuppance on the person who tapped them out. And the window of opportunity for that is really small.

Pretty much (at least in my eyes), if you tap out in WWE and are a babyface, it means WWE has no confidence in you (and as a result, its pretty much a signal to the audience that they should stop being invested in that worker). And tapping out as a babyface is significantly more damaging to your WWE career than it is as a heel. At least in modern day WWE. That's why I get behind the notion that babyfaces should be passing out instead of tapping out, as it doesn't damage the babyface nearly as much, while still drawing massive heat to the heel.

DarkstarIV fucked around with this message at Feb 8, 2018 around 04:34

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



Although not so much on the womenís side.

They donít really treat tapping out as anything of particular note with them.

Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values


Everything that happened to Hideo Itami sucks but I also can't pretend like he should be getting pushed more than he is, he just kinda sucks now. His matches, his promos, his look, it's all just bad. I can't believe how far he fell from that Wrestlemania Andre battle royal. Injuries are a bitch.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013

I got your scoops right here.


Havoc904 posted:

I was just watching the tag team Elimination Chamber from right before he went out last night and thinking about how great of a team Cesaro & Kidd were. Their offense was incredibly crisp and layered. While I'm glad he's alive, it blows that we didn't get to see more of that team.

Watched Enzo & Cass w/Carmella vs Blake & Murphy from NXT Unstoppable today. Part of the WWE Network Alexa Bliss Collection. The match where Alexa runs in and turns heel and starts the journey to what we have now.

Crazy how everyone's careers turned out. Carmella the hype girl has the MITB and Alexa is the Raw kingpin. The others well....

Bard Maddox
Feb 15, 2012

I'm just a sick guy, I'm really just a dirty guy.


one of the better WWE finishes of the last few years was the 4 Horsewomen four-way in NXT where Sasha put Charlotte in the Banks Statement for so long that she was able to get a pin with ease because Charlotte was too tired from the submission to kick out

it was effective, simple and very clever, and of course it's never been done again!

rovert
Jun 10, 2013

I got your scoops right here.


The 205 Live brackets:

https://www.bracketsninja.com/brackets/single/30362

My one and only hint about the final "outsider" in the tournament. It is someone who has never wrestled on the main roster before. The remaining three 205ers who haven't wrestled yet and will do in 2 weeks are Ariya, Jack Gallagher and Mustafa Ali.

VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

#HEKNOWS
#SCOOPS
#IGNOREMYPOSTS


Just because two matches happened next to each other doesn't mean they're next to each other on the bracket. They didn't release a bracket for the US Title Tournament for a week or so and the fact that they haven't released it for this means where each match is on the bracket is probably still in flux.

spudsbuckley
Aug 29, 2008

Asuka did this to me. Good job. Great signing.

rovert posted:

The 205 Live brackets:

https://www.bracketsninja.com/brackets/single/30362

My one and only hint about the final "outsider" in the tournament. It is someone who has never wrestled on the main roster before. The remaining three 205ers who haven't wrestled yet and will do in 2 weeks are Ariya, Jack Gallagher and Mustafa Ali.

My hint is that it's Riochet.

I'm gonna outscoop you by posting actual scoops rather than vague poo poo.

What now scoopsman?

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

HEY YEAH BARK AT THE MOON


then discard two cards at random


Holy poo poo, this is McMahon as gently caress. From the new Wrestling Observer that just came out:

quote:

As far as Rousey goes, the key item not really talked about is the goals and a major reason why she is there from a company standpoint. All the different questions about her value to the company financially Iím told are secondary.

The key to Rousey is more about Stephanie McMahon, which is why they want that super high-profile match (and if they can get Johnson, it makes it even more high-profile). Stephanie McMahon is a big star in wrestling, but she is not a mainstream star at all. It was explained to me that the key in all this goes back to what made Vince McMahon a big star, which was the program with Steve Austin, and what made Steve Austin a breakthrough star past being a pro wrestling top guy, which was hardly an interview at King of the Ring or the WrestleMania match with Bret Hart, as legend has it, but the angle in Fresno with Mike Tyson.

Rousey is a major sports star. The idea that she was the single most searched female athlete in the U.S. on the Internet in 2017, a year she never competed and for the most part laid low in, speaks volumes. The idea for the program is to make Stephanie a star outside of just the pro wrestling world.

They signed Rousey to get Stephanie over.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at Feb 8, 2018 around 07:48

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


Bard Maddox posted:

one of the better WWE finishes of the last few years was the 4 Horsewomen four-way in NXT where Sasha put Charlotte in the Banks Statement for so long that she was able to get a pin with ease because Charlotte was too tired from the submission to kick out

it was effective, simple and very clever, and of course it's never been done again!

Yeah I'd be totally down to see that happen more often. Hard to see WWE getting on board with someone getting a post-submission pin without hitting another big move though. But hey, make it a brutal long fight with both people exhausted, one person sinks in their submission for a long time but the opponent doesn't tap and they break the hold because they're too tired to maintain it, and then the person applying the submission just flops a hand over the other person for a pin. Can't make a finish that keeps both people looking strong much better than that.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008
Good luck with your depression!


quote:

what made Steve Austin a breakthrough star past being a pro wrestling top guy, which was hardly an interview at King of the Ring or the WrestleMania match with Bret Hart, as legend has it, but the angle in Fresno with Mike Tyson. 



W-what.

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


Angry Grimace posted:

Holy poo poo, this is McMahon as gently caress. From the new Wrestling Observer that just came out:


They signed Rousey to get Stephanie over.

Interesting idea bout Tyson being so integral in Austin being a big star, I'm not sold on the premise but I probably haven't considered it as important as I should, which so far has been not at all.

Rousey being a McMahon ego play is about the least shocking story I can imagine, that poo poo is bred into the family and reinforced by a lifetime of encouragement. Like, Shane probably has the least ego of the family and he still went out to try to be a huge business success on his own to prove how good he is.

it'll be fun to see the next generation of Mcmahons and Helmsleys come along and find out which ones dive deep into the wrestliing business and make ego plays 20 or so years from now.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

HEY YEAH BARK AT THE MOON


then discard two cards at random


NowonSA posted:

Interesting idea bout Tyson being so integral in Austin being a big star, I'm not sold on the premise but I probably haven't considered it as important as I should, which so far has been not at all.

Rousey being a McMahon ego play is about the least shocking story I can imagine, that poo poo is bred into the family and reinforced by a lifetime of encouragement. Like, Shane probably has the least ego of the family and he still went out to try to be a huge business success on his own to prove how good he is.

it'll be fun to see the next generation of Mcmahons and Helmsleys come along and find out which ones dive deep into the wrestliing business and make ego plays 20 or so years from now.

HHH has his own history of enriching himself at the expense of the product.

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011

Me uni a la Revolucion #RXT


el sabe ...


Anyone who considers the King of the Ring promo or the Bret Hart match in the same universe of importance as the Tyson angle is an idiot.

Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007



Yay Jason Jordanís surgery was a success. Hope when he comes back in 2019 they act like the Kurt story never happened.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013

I got your scoops right here.


Two years ago today

https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan/...757295879819264

Bard Maddox
Feb 15, 2012

I'm just a sick guy, I'm really just a dirty guy.


Angry Grimace posted:

Holy poo poo, this is McMahon as gently caress. From the new Wrestling Observer that just came out:


They signed Rousey to get Stephanie over.

jesus christ!

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of death: Pretentiousness


The one mistake of the attitude era, the main focus was on Austin rather than Vince.

Erebus
Jul 13, 2001

Okay... Keep your head, Steve boy...


loving yes. More Stephanie McMahon on my TV. I cannot wait. For more Stephanie.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?


*attempts to smile like a regular human being; smile ends up looking like an Assassinís Creed character model animation glitch*

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piss tape israel
Apr 23, 2010



Angry Grimace posted:

Holy poo poo, this is McMahon as gently caress. From the new Wrestling Observer that just came out:


They signed Rousey to get Stephanie over.
I mean, if this is anything like Vince/Austin where Stephanie constantly gets hers and is humiliated I'd be fine with this but lmfao at that ever happening

But yeah, signing Rousey as a vehicle to get Stephanie over in the mainstream is just...ugh

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