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Cymbal Monkey
Apr 16, 2009

Lift Your Little Paws Like Antennas to Heaven!




Who the hell are The Cardiacs and why should I care?
Cardiacs (no "the") are one of the most important bands you've never heard of, my own deep admiration of the band aside, I don't feel that's an over-statement. If you'd describe yourself as a fan of Blur, Napalm Death, Faith No More, Mike Patton, Tool or Radiohead (who would open for them on at least one occasion), you've been touched, second hand, by the genius of Cardiacs' Tim Smith, who's been cited as an influence by all these bands. Cardiacs fierce musical independence made them extremely label unfriendly in an era where your label was everything, and most of their work ended up being put out through their own label, The Alphabet Business Concern. Despite this, they've got a fiercely loyal fanbase.

That list of bands tells me absolutely nothing about what Cardiacs sound like
Yes, true, that's a rather diverse set of bands. By the time Cardiacs got going, progressive rock was just about the least cool thing you could do, the irreverence and unpretentiousness of punk and post-punk were the fashions of the time, but Cardiacs extensive use of odd-time, modes of limited transposition and Tim Smiths' general compositional genius meant they could never shake the prog label, despite sounding rather punky. In fact, in one scathing review of A Little Man and A House and The Whole World Window, Jack O'Neill said

New Musical Express posted:

Just when you thought Marillion had taken us to the very limit along comes this schizo-progressive anachronism wherein the Cardiacs have telescoped the entire dreggs of the early seventies into one album so geriatric, by comparison that the next Blue Öyster Cult will sound as fresh as Viva Hate. It is the Floyd, it is Genesis, it is King Crimson, does it matter?

The funny thing is, I don't even really disagree, Whole World Window is absurdly proggy, but its sound is so unfamiliar to prog. The guitars are heavily overdriven, the vocals are decidedly punky, in parts becoming Cure-esque.

Tim Smith insisted Cardiacs were a pop band, and some how that's not entirely at odds with their progressive punk (pronk (ugh)) sound. Cardiacs are fun, they're groovy, they're positively enjoyable in a popish way.

I will suffer through one Cardiacs song
Grand! Cardiacs were fairly diverse (yet always had a special something that made them unmistakably Cardiacs-y (that special something is the ♭III–v–I progression))

I like prog and have never been considered cool
Cool, me too, start here with this freakish bastard child of Devo and Genesis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNdnOTvGbJQ



My face is coated in a thick layer of makeup and I love The Cure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DbJX92TDhA

I like fast paced punk and I'm really annoyed about punk being declare a cornerstone of British culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhuQWKwbqY


I have few opinions and I just wanna hear their best song
It's almost universally considered to be Dirty Boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-dd4fMUhAY


Okay that was pretty good but you seem strange and obsessive for making a thread specifically for a very unpopular pronk band
Yes. But there's a little more to this story. In 2008, Tim Smith suffered a cardiac arrest while leaving a My Bloody Valentine concert. This left him with anoxic brain damage, limiting his speech, movement and causing constant pain. Currently there's a fundraiser active to fund his care and hopefully rehabilitation. Tim Smith wants to go back to making music. I want Tim Smith to make music, so if you like Cardiacs please go buy an album or something.


This is the last little thing I'm going to leave you with if you want more information about Cardiacs, it's a really cool little video that goes deeper into some of their (very unfortunate) history and musical techniques.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFKg09GBFQE


Anyways, talk about Tim Smith and Cardiacs and your favourite Cardiacs albums and whatever.

Cymbal Monkey fucked around with this message at Feb 10, 2018 around 11:52

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


Cymbal Monkey posted:



Who the hell are The Cardiacs and why should I care?
Cardiacs (no "the") are one of the most important bands you've never heard of, my own deep admiration of the band aside, I don't feel that's an over-statement. If you'd describe yourself as a fan of Blur, Napalm Death, Faith No More, Mike Patton, Tool or Radiohead (who would open for them on at least one occasion), you've been touched, second hand, by the genius of Cardiacs' Tim Smith, who's been cited as an influence by all these bands. Cardiacs fierce musical independence made them extremely label unfriendly in an era where your label was everything, and most of their work ended up being put out through their own label, The Alphabet Business Concern. Despite this, they've got a fiercely loyal fanbase.

That list of bands tells me absolutely nothing about what Cardiacs sound like
Yes, true, that's a rather diverse set of bands. By the time Cardiacs got going, progressive rock was just about the least cool thing you could do, the irreverence and unpretentiousness of punk and post-punk were the fashions of the time, but Cardiacs extensive use of odd-time, modes of limited transposition and Tim Smiths' general compositional genius meant they could never shake the prog label, despite sounding decidedly punky. In fact, in one scathing review of A Little Man and A House and The Whole World Window, Jack O'Neill said


The funny thing is, I don't even really disagree, Whole World Window is absurdly proggy, but its sound is so unfamiliar to prog. The guitars are heavily overdriven, the vocals are decidedly punky, in parts becoming decidedly Cure-esque.

Tim Smith insisted insisted Cardiacs were a pop band, and some how that's not entirely at odds with their progressive punk (pronk (ugh)) sound. Cardiacs are fun, they're groovy, they're positively enjoyable in a popish way.

I will suffer through one Cardiacs song
Grand! Cardiacs were fairly diverse (yet always had a special something that made them unmistakably Cardiacs-y (that special something is the ♭III–v–I progression))

I like prog and have never been considered cool
Cool, me too, start here with this freakish bastard child of Devo and Genesis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNdnOTvGbJQ



My face is coated in a thick layer of makeup and I love The Cure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DbJX92TDhA

I like fast paced punk and I'm really annoyed about punk being declare a cornerstone of British culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhuQWKwbqY


I have few opinions and I just wanna hear their best song
It's almost universally considered to be Dirty Boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-dd4fMUhAY


Okay that was pretty good but you seem strange and obsessive for making a thread specifically for a very unpopular pronk band
Yes. But there's a little more too this story. In 2008, Tim Smith suffered a cardiac arrest while leaving a My Bloody Valentine concert. This left him with anoxic brain damage, limiting his speech, movement and causing constant pain. Currently there's a fundraiser active to fund his care and hopefully rehabilitation. Tim Smith wants to go back to making music. I want Tim Smith to make music, so if you like Cardiacs please go buy an album or something.


This is the last little thing I'm going to leave you with if you want more information about Cardiacs, it's a really cool little video that goes deeper into some of their (very unfortunate) history and musical techniques.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFKg09GBFQE


Anyways, talk about Tim Smith and Cardiacs and your favourite Cardiacs albums and whatever.

Napalm Death just posted about them on Facebook recently, interesting coincidence. This is good, though. Is there a specific album that has number of great cuts?

I definitely see the influence on Patton.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at Feb 10, 2018 around 04:06

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Already been blocked, friendo

Cymbal Monkey
Apr 16, 2009

Lift Your Little Paws Like Antennas to Heaven!


El Gallinero Gros posted:

Napalm Death just posted about them on Facebook recently, interesting coincidence. This is good, though. Is there a specific album that has number of great cuts?

I definitely see the influence on Patton.

If I know nothing about someone's taste I would say Sing To God but if you're into progressive rock or metal it's Whole World Window

Maelstache
Feb 25, 2013

I don't have the time to fill out questionnaires


Good to see this thread here, I feel like doing an album-by-album post at some point.


El Gallinero Gros posted:

Napalm Death just posted about them on Facebook recently, interesting coincidence. This is good, though. Is there a specific album that has number of great cuts?


Sing to God I & II is pretty much wall-to-wall great cuts, IMO. Runs a proper gamut of styles from dadaist cut-up madness to weird krautrockish ambient interludes and honest to god amazing pop tunes.

Fiery Gun Hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmQTmY5hBw

Manhoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7LNLDanYbE

Eat It Up, Worms Hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHAwU2cXDw

Nurses Whispering Verses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiVOEHIHuzU

Foundling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zd9wL65LoY

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


I listened to a few tracks off Sing to God, and I was gonna buy it, but holy poo poo are their albums pricy on Amazon and eBay.

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015


El Gallinero Gros posted:

I listened to a few tracks off Sing to God, and I was gonna buy it, but holy poo poo are their albums pricy on Amazon and eBay.

Agreed, after first listening to Sing to God I had to have it but I'm not shelling out 70$ for an album

It's such a good album too. An instant favourite.

Cymbal Monkey
Apr 16, 2009

Lift Your Little Paws Like Antennas to Heaven!


El Gallinero Gros posted:

I listened to a few tracks off Sing to God, and I was gonna buy it, but holy poo poo are their albums pricy on Amazon and eBay.

Either get it from Cardiacs.net or, unfortunately, the iTunes store. Their distribution is kinda surprisingly poo poo, I've sent an email asking them to get a band camp, I recommend other people do the same and maybe they'll capitulate. I know Sing To God is just expensive because it's a double album.

Maelstache
Feb 25, 2013

I don't have the time to fill out questionnaires


Wayside Music stock their stuff as well, which might work out cheaper if you happen to be US based I guess.

http://www.waysidemusic.com/search....eyword=cardiacs

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


Maelstache posted:

Wayside Music stock their stuff as well, which might work out cheaper if you happen to be US based I guess.

http://www.waysidemusic.com/search....eyword=cardiacs

Yoooooo thanks for this

Eat The Rich
Feb 10, 2018


The Cardiacs are rad as heck.

This is what I usually show to introduce The Cardiacs. https://youtu.be/NVjSycDJatc

Eat The Rich fucked around with this message at Mar 2, 2018 around 09:18

VaginalErection
May 6, 2005


Who is him?

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015


Where do I go after Sing to God?

Cymbal Monkey
Apr 16, 2009

Lift Your Little Paws Like Antennas to Heaven!


DoubleCakes posted:

Where do I go after Sing to God?

Probably Whole World Window.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


Cymbal Monkey posted:

Probably Whole World Window.

Oh my god, your avatar

VaginalErection
May 6, 2005


Guns is also a good follow up

Cymbal Monkey
Apr 16, 2009

Lift Your Little Paws Like Antennas to Heaven!


Unstoppable Sweeties Show are a great Cardiacs ripoff inspired band, if you're into that sort of thing.

Rat Flavoured Rats
Oct 24, 2005

I'm a little fairy girl ^_^


Him is Jim!

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Cymbal Monkey
Apr 16, 2009

Lift Your Little Paws Like Antennas to Heaven!


Cardiacs just went up on Bandcamp!

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