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 Crosspeice Aug 9, 2013 Zzzz... sploosh... zzzz... KABOOM... zzz... sploosh... Side Notes #02: Catching Stuff Maybe Less Glitchy This Time? Alright, Gen 3 is when a lot of stuff got overhauled and improved, so let's see what they did to the capture formula. It was pretty easy to game in Gen 1, it was annoyingly broken in a few places in Gen 2, and in Gen 3? Well it works just fine and is used in Gen 4 too, so I can just copy this over if I do those games, haha! Anyway, what's the formula? a is the modified catch rate, which is used after we've gone over the individual components. HP max is the number of hit points the Pokemon has at full health, while HP current is the current hit points the Pokemon has. Aren't you glad I detailed that for you? rate is the catch rate of the Pokemon, between 3 and 255 and can only be modified in the Safari Zone, since the Apricorn Balls (or more specifically the Heavy Ball) don't exist in Gen 3. bonus ball is the Pokeball modifier, while bonus status is multiplier for status conditions, which work and are x1.5 for paralyze, poison and burn, and x2 for sleep and freeze. Once that number is obtained, a is then put into a small formula to determine b, the shake probability. b = 1048560 / sqrt(sqrt(16711680/a)) All divisions and square roots are rounded down to the nearest whole number. From there, the game generates a number between 0 and 65535 and compare it to b. If that number is greater than or equal to b, then the Pokemon will break out of the Pokeball. Four numbers are made and if all of them are lower than b, the Pokemon is caught. If not, it'll shake for however many checks were made. Also, if a is 255, the Pokemon is automatically caught and no checks are made. Seems simple enough, so let's talk Pokeballs, since HP reduction and status are simple enough. All the OG Pokeballs are the same, so Pokeball, Great Ball, Ultra Ball, Master Ball and Safari Ball have a x1, x1.5, x2, x255 and x1.5 modifier as per usual. Since this modifies the catch rate, any Pokemon with a catch rate of 255 are unaffected by Pokeball modifiers. Now we skip the Gen 2 balls and move straight to the Gen 3 ones. The Premier Ball is x1, the same as a Pokeball and only obtained after buying 10 standard Pokeballs at once. That's it. The Repeat Ball is x3 if the Pokemon has already been registered in the Pokedex, x1 otherwise. The Timer Ball is calculated at ((number of turns passed in battle + 10) ÷ 10), with a maximum of x4, at 30 turns. It's the best Pokeball in the game, but it takes SO LONG to reach 30 turns. You might catch it before then with other, stronger Pokeballs and if you get to that turn number, then the Pokemon could start running out of PP. Still, it's the strongest Pokeball aside from the Master Ball, so I guess it's worth it if you remember to turn count, though it is equal or better than the Dive Ball past 25 turns and equal or better to the Nest Ball on a level 2 Pokemon past 28 turns. The Nest Ball is calculated at ((40 - Pokémon's level) ÷ 10), with a minimum of x1. For a level 2 Pokemon, it gives a x3.8 rate, but a lot of those Pokemon have high catch rates anyway and are thus unaffected by this ball. Still, for low levelled Pokemon with low catch rates, this is pretty drat helpful. The Net Ball has a x3 catch rate on Water or Bug type Pokemon, x1 otherwise, which is pretty handy, but doesn't stack for Surskit, sorry. The Dive Ball has a x3.5 catch rate when used underwater, x1 otherwise. There are some tricky underwater catches, so these are pretty nice. Finally, the Luxury Ball has a x1 rate, but every action that raises happiness raises it by an extra point as well, making it nice for the... ONE line you can use this on to fast-track evolution (Zubat or Golbat). It does make Return stronger that much quicker, though, so it's a nice ball to use for that if nothing else. Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Feb 10, 2018 # ? Feb 10, 2018 22:05
 Crosspeice Aug 9, 2013 Zzzz... sploosh... zzzz... KABOOM... zzz... sploosh... We're gonna need a nickname for Ralts, as well as Zigzagoon... as well as any other nicknames for the other things we've caught if I remember to change it. # ? Feb 10, 2018 22:10
 Level Seven Feb 14, 2013 Wubba dubba dubba that blew. Megamarm Odlaw the Ralts because that nature you found is the opposite of good. Fifty-two the Zigzagoon, maybe you'll remember to get that many items. Awesome to see gen 3 start off. # ? Feb 10, 2018 22:43
 rannum Nov 3, 2012 Someone on staff clearly felt bad for &/or really loves Azumarill because they spent 4 generations giving it an assortment of buffs starting with Huge Power. # ? Feb 10, 2018 22:47

#### Crosspeice posted:

We're gonna need a nickname for Ralts, as well as Zigzagoon... as well as any other nicknames for the other things we've caught if I remember to change it.

Knowing what our male Raltz evolves into, lets go with Progress, because we don't have enough room to fit Progressive in this gen.

 Blueberry Pancakes Aug 18, 2012 Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute! I like Infernape more than Blaziken. That said, both are good and neat. Also, Oldale is the most boring town. # ? Feb 10, 2018 22:49
 Haifisch Nov 12, 2010 Objection! I object! That was... objectionable! Taco Defender Name Zigzagoon FreeSample(s), because that's clearly what all those items are, right? Name Ralts after Ranmaru to continue the Conquest jokes. # ? Feb 10, 2018 22:49

#### rannum posted:

Someone on staff clearly felt bad for &/or really loves Azumarill because they spent 4 generations giving it an assortment of buffs starting with Huge Power.

No kidding. Azumarill went from totally worthless in Gen 2, to having a good ability but not much else in Gen 3, to actually being able to use that ability in Gen 4, to powerful enough to be OU in Gen 6.

Sadly, since Gen 7 didn't keep adding Megas, we didn't get the obvious next step. Maybe next gen.

#### Haifisch posted:

Name Zigzagoon FreeSample(s), because that's clearly what all those items are, right?

Name Ralts after Ranmaru to continue the Conquest jokes.

I second these choices and expect more Conquest naming for the rest of the party. Plus Ranmaru is just a perfect fit for a male Ralts.

Also time to gush a bit more about Hoenn! Namely, Grass types. Hoenn has the best Grass types. Sure, there are some pretty good Grass types in other places, but if I have to mono-Grass a region, it will be Hoenn, and indeed, that's exactly what I did when ORAS came out! Seeing how I had used Blaziken in Y and all, OR was a mono-Grass run and a very fun one too! Steel-types were a giant pain in the rear end though, but I still had a lot more fun than I would have with a normal run. With Pokemon as great as Mega Sceptile (not a fan of the normal one), Ludicolo, Shiftry, Breloom, Cradily and Roserade (okay, Gen 4, this was an OR run after all), and that's only the ones I used, Hoenn has a lot more choices! If you're into the weed, I can't think of a better place to be.

And you talked about the Wireless Adapter - I still have mine! Alongside a Link Cable too! Sure bring back memories, even if they're pointless now that consoles come with ways to connect without the need for more peripherals. Not like I ever got any use out of the Wireless Adapter anyways, what a weird gimmick. Still!

#### Crosspeice posted:

Oh yeah, if you press Select, your hand turns yellow. This lets you pick up Pokemon without confirmation boxes, letting you move stuff about really quickly.
WHAT?

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If you hold A while your hand is yellow, you can scroll over and select multiple Pokemon at a time, letting you move entire boxes in one go. Why yes that is amazing.
WHAT???

#### Haifisch posted:

Name Zigzagoon FreeSample(s), because that's clearly what all those items are, right?

Name Ralts after Ranmaru to continue the Conquest jokes.

These are good names.

It’s a shame what the internet has done to the Ralts line, because it’s one of my favorite ‘mons. This happens to all the Pokémon I like because they’re pretty.

#### Hobgoblin2099 posted:

I like Infernape more than Blaziken. That said, both are good and neat.

And then Emboar happened.

At least Delphox was cool and good,

I thought we might continue the Conquest theme and you guys would suggest Ranmaru. After this, you can't do any more Conquest names, or the whole party would be like that, you swines. Feel free to choose a different name and have another Conquest name down the line, but I've gotta draw the line somewhere.

#### Carbon dioxide posted:

WHAT?

WHAT???

It's alright, I only found out last year.

 Verant Oct 20, 2012 Go on an adventure ordained by fate? -->Okay. -->Eh. Free Samples the Zigzagoon and P. Mantis for Ralts. # ? Feb 11, 2018 00:00
 AradoBalanga Jan 3, 2013 I'm going to echo the option for FreeSample on Zigzagoon. No preference on Ralts' name, since I like its Gen 4 updates a little bit more and never touched on the line in this game. Taillow is probably one of the more disappointing bird lines, honestly. A shame though, since it's a nice but simple creature design that sadly gets the short end of the stick when placed amongst its peers. Not a whole lot to stand out from the other early birds in the franchise with regards to movepool (especially at this point in the series) and you could also snag a Wingull and have a bird + a water type all in one go, making Taillow almost pointless. # ? Feb 11, 2018 00:02
 Cythereal Nov 8, 2009 Like ziggy, taillow seems to just be the Generic Starting Bird. I don't care for Ralts, either. It's a perfectly fine psychic type that does nothing interesting with type, stats, or moves. # ? Feb 11, 2018 00:07
Ralts is going to take longer to level up because of its XP curve. The Ralts line has the "slow" curve, while Mudkip's line is "medium slow" (same as all the other starters). The XP curve defines how much XP the Pokemon needs to reach the next level.

Ranmaru (which is a great name for Ralts) needs 339 XP to go from level 9 to level 10, while Nobunaga only needed 141.

I also like FreeSamples, but honestly Gumball would be a super cute name for Zigzagoon.

#### Blaze Dragon posted:

No kidding. Azumarill went from totally worthless in Gen 2, to having a good ability but not much else in Gen 3, to actually being able to use that ability in Gen 4, to powerful enough to be OU in Gen 6.

Sadly, since Gen 7 didn't keep adding Megas, we didn't get the obvious next step. Maybe next gen.

I second these choices and expect more Conquest naming for the rest of the party. Plus Ranmaru is just a perfect fit for a male Ralts.

Also time to gush a bit more about Hoenn! Namely, Grass types. Hoenn has the best Grass types. Sure, there are some pretty good Grass types in other places, but if I have to mono-Grass a region, it will be Hoenn, and indeed, that's exactly what I did when ORAS came out! Seeing how I had used Blaziken in Y and all, OR was a mono-Grass run and a very fun one too! Steel-types were a giant pain in the rear end though, but I still had a lot more fun than I would have with a normal run. With Pokemon as great as Mega Sceptile (not a fan of the normal one), Ludicolo, Shiftry, Breloom, Cradily and Roserade (okay, Gen 4, this was an OR run after all), and that's only the ones I used, Hoenn has a lot more choices! If you're into the weed, I can't think of a better place to be.

And you talked about the Wireless Adapter - I still have mine! Alongside a Link Cable too! Sure bring back memories, even if they're pointless now that consoles come with ways to connect without the need for more peripherals. Not like I ever got any use out of the Wireless Adapter anyways, what a weird gimmick. Still!

Agreed, Hoenn's grass types are great. I think the next best would be Alola, but that's cheating, the entire Gen VII dex is amazing.

 Leraika Jun 14, 2015 slime time Fun Shoe Ranmaru and Gumball, sure. # ? Feb 11, 2018 06:01

#### Crosspeice posted:

It's alright, I only found out last year.

Yeah cause who even USES select ever? Aside from "dedicated bike button". It's a shame we're not gonna see Lotad for a while, cause Ludicolo is great and he really saved my rear end more then once in my X playthrough, where you can get him fairly early. Gets great coverage, can pick up Ice Beam and stuff like Focus Blast or Giga Impact. Love my dancing sombrero pineapple duck.

Ranmaru and Freesample let's go.

Okay, I think we've got our winners. Voting closed!

#### Kikas posted:

Yeah cause who even USES select ever? Aside from "dedicated bike button". It's a shame we're not gonna see Lotad for a while, cause Ludicolo is great and he really saved my rear end more then once in my X playthrough, where you can get him fairly early. Gets great coverage, can pick up Ice Beam and stuff like Focus Blast or Giga Impact. Love my dancing sombrero pineapple duck.

Ranmaru and Freesample let's go.

Thankfully evolution stones for Pokedex filling is actually pretty good in this game (unlike the past two games I've LPed...), but some are a wee bit late.

 Glazius Jul 22, 2007 Hail all those who are able, any mouse can, any mouse will, but the Guard prevail. Clapping Larry Oof. A Ralts in slothtown just sounds like a huge hassle. # ? Feb 11, 2018 13:50
 Onmi Jul 12, 2013 If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016. Good to see this LP going, to be honest, I know I missed out on being able to contribute to GSC with that manga stuff (And was disappointed in myself, but life did not line up in such a way to allow it.) But I've got the itch to maybe belt out some posts regarding PokeSpe's best arc, Ruby and Sapphire. Also yeah Ranmaru and Gumball # ? Feb 11, 2018 14:24
 General Revil Sep 29, 2014 "Congratulations! You're all smarter than some of the most brilliant minds on Tendao that worked on this revolutionary project." Too bad voting is already closed. I was hoping to convince enough people to go for the unsubtle choice of Trap for Ralts's name. # ? Feb 12, 2018 07:58
I'm glad I caught this thread right at the beginning! Emerald was my first video game ever, period. Clicking each music clip is like a burst of nostalgia.

#### Onmi posted:

But I've got the itch to maybe belt out some posts regarding PokeSpe's best arc, Ruby and Sapphire.

I'm looking forward to it.

limeicebreakers fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Feb 12, 2018

#### General Revil posted:

Too bad voting is already closed. I was hoping to convince enough people to go for the unsubtle choice of Trap for Ralts's name.

How bout no

 Blueberry Pancakes Aug 18, 2012 Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute! Sapphire ends up in conflict with Team Aqua, as I recall. Also, the GSC manga arc is really good, involving things like Misty catching and training Suicune. The main character, Gold, has his plot centered around retrieving the Totodile that his rival, Silver, stole in order to combat the Johto faction of Team Rocket led by a mysterious guy in a mask (whose identity is so glaringly obvious that Gold figures it out in advance). Later, the female character Crystal is introduced (she also replaces Lyra for the HG/SS arc, getting her outfit instead) as a capture expert who fills the Pokedex since the other two aren't really doing the traditional journey. It's the only arc in PokeSpe where you don't have the main characters focused on winning badges. We also won't get another male character focused on earning badges until Unova. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Feb 12, 2018 # ? Feb 12, 2018 16:10
 Crosspeice Aug 9, 2013 Zzzz... sploosh... zzzz... KABOOM... zzz... sploosh... Excellent stuff! Added to the OP. I do love me the manga and it is something everyone should read at one point or another. My favourite is the DP arc, though the SM arc is shaping up pretty nicely. Also if you feel like writing about the GSC arcs, I can have baldurk add it to the Crystal LP. # ? Feb 12, 2018 16:19

#### Hobgoblin2099 posted:

It's the only arc in PokeSpe where you don't have the main characters focused on winning badges. We also won't get another male character focused on earning badges until Unova.

If you count an arc as a whole Pokemon generation, maybe. From what the manga itself considers arcs, you still have Emerald, FRLG, HGSS, ORAS and B2W2 as arcs where no one cares about gaining badges.

SM too, but well, obviously, and Sun is sort of going through the Island Trials, though they are not his main goal because getting cash is far more important.

I can never disagree with characters whose main goal is just getting money,. It's the most relatable motivation.

#### Crosspeice posted:

I do love me the manga and it is something everyone should read at one point or another. My favourite is the DP arc, though the SM arc is shaping up pretty nicely.

The DP arc is very good but I'm partial to RS, followed by XY. I read the whole of XY only a few days ago and it surprised me how the manga took the mediocrity that was the XY plot and made something really good out of it. I mean, I know the writer can spin gold out of dirt considering...every previous arc, and the lack of plot in Pokemon in general, but it still surprised me how interesting XY was under him.

Pokemon Generations made Lysandre more interesting by turning him into Lex Luthor for the five minutes his episode lasted.

Also, the Sinnoh stuff for PokeSpe is great and made Cyrus better than I found him to be in-game. Especially with how Team Galactic turns out in Platinum.

#### Blaze Dragon posted:

Emerald, HGSS

They have close enough replacements, but fair enough on the others.

#### Crosspeice posted:

I do love me the manga and it is something everyone should read at one point or another. My favourite is the DP arc, though the SM arc is shaping up pretty nicely.

Some of the later gen arcs suffered a bit from losing magazine space(where they're originally published before going off to volumes), causing a few rushed storylines and BW2 to still be going two gens after the games came out. But SM seems like it's hit a good stride.

 limeicebreakers May 1, 2017 Thanks for the great writeup, Onmi! RS arc is my favourite, and I'm fond of DPPt too. I really should get around to reading BW and XY... # ? Feb 12, 2018 17:36
 BrightWing Apr 27, 2012 Yes, he is quite mad. I should read the Pokemon manga. # ? Feb 12, 2018 20:23

#### BrightWing posted:

I should read the Pokemon manga.

Same. I read the first generation, I think? I remember GSC got weird and then I couldn't find the rest of it to read.

 Kemix Dec 1, 2013 Because change Since the Zigzagoon is gonna not be used, call it Packers and name Ralts...iduno. Frieza because I'm running off a lot of DBZ right now. # ? Feb 13, 2018 00:15

#### Solumin posted:

Same. I read the first generation, I think? I remember GSC got weird and then I couldn't find the rest of it to read.