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computers are hard to use you can do things to make them better to use for people who aren't 100% dedicated and physically prepared to compute hard though like instead of using pictures of text, just use text don't use javascript think about what hand motions people have to make to use your thing and how or why someone might find them difficult accessibility isn't just for people with handicaps, it's for people who are busy or tired or on poo poo wifi too computing should be better for everyone and accessibility is an important part of that
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i make all my stuff intentionally hard to use because the visually impaired are notoriously difficult to deal with via customer support and i just dont feel like dealing with that
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Feb 12, 2018 15:25
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last year i had to use a webapp i made over elinks over mosh because i was in a place with really bad internet and i'm glad i was too lazy to make it not work in elinks
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I was gently dissuaded from working on accessibility in an app by a former manager, because while he acknowledged that it was the right thing to do, it wasn't going to get me promoted. He was, of course, right, but it still sucks. On the plus side, I said discover how laughably far ahead iOS is for built in accessibility compared to Android 
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Feb 12, 2018 15:56
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Cocoa Crispies posted:last year i had to use a webapp i made over elinks over mosh because i was in a place with really bad internet and i'm glad i was too lazy to make it not work in elinks this is actually sort of the route i got to wondering whether screen readers had gotten better or not, i was pondering what it would take to implement lynx/links for the modern web. starting with e.g. blink and trying to figure out what is actually important on the page and what can actually be projected down into the terminal, while making it possible to actually explore the entire page from the initial summarizing view which lead me to wonder whether 1) screenreaders do a lot of that work these days, figuring out and condensing down the most important parts in some intelligent way; or; 2) actually those with impaired sight do not really need it figured out too much, having seen people use assistive technologies in the past i do know that they by way of practice (as is obvious in retrospect) get very quick and efficient in their use of what the software can do; or; 3) a lot of the modern web has gotten shittier for these use-cases (though it was pointed out that it also coincides with the disappearance of flash, so win some lose some). just surfing onto theverge.com i noted that the tab (and dom) order is such that your first nodes are the facebook, twitter, rss, register/login, search links, only then categories, the categories being hovers which reveal (already populated) divs for a menu which are very far from the categories themselves in the dom. one can compare to arstechnica which is free of hovers, and starts with the actually useful header parts, and the hamburger menu populates a child div on click (which ought to be far more workable), but on the other hand i have no idea how one would tell that the hamburger menu is indeed a menu without the visual, or deep analysis
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Feb 12, 2018 15:58
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the ios screen reader handles yospos pretty decently, i turned it on out of curiosity after the discussion in secfucks
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Feb 12, 2018 16:17
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wish your posts were inaccessible, op
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far as i'm aware screen reader software is still the norm. on that note as far as i'm aware braille is v rarely used by blind people, and i'm only aware of one actual case of those braille computer interfaces being used. that could just be older people with partial sight loss skewing the stats though windows has been making good advances on colour blindness though, there's built-in filters now for win10 (winkey+ctrl+c)
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Feb 12, 2018 17:52
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How accessible is the use of emoji? Ignoring the fact they can look dramatically different between different platforms. On SA I can't really see what they're supposed to be unless I enlarge the font size. I usually mistake them for smilies, hover the mouse over them and then notice there's no alt-text.
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Braille was developed for officers to exchange information in the dark without having to speak and possibly reveal their position
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Feb 12, 2018 18:23
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Stick Insect posted:How accessible is the use of emoji? Ignoring the fact they can look dramatically different between different platforms. have to imagine that a screen reader can just read the unicode description of an emoji and all is good. on that theme though, the increasing popularity of icons being replaced by a random letter together with a custom .eot font which replaces it with the appropriate pictogram. not that image icons were much better, but i suspect people managed an alt on those a bit more often
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Feb 12, 2018 18:29
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those are bad outside of accessibility as it encourages loading remote fonts i can't say i'm terribly fond of looking at web interfaces that are just squares because the person who designed put no thought into the font not loading
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Feb 12, 2018 18:33
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:windows has been making good advances on colour blindness though, there's built-in filters now for win10 (winkey+ctrl+c) I wish I had this update
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Feb 12, 2018 18:59
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images of text are the scourge of accessibility. i wonder if someone will make OCR'ing sick memes a thing
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Feb 12, 2018 21:43
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GOod idea, let me just waste significant work time to make life easier for (up to) 0.01% of users. Companies are full of worthless people with no drive, skill, or self awareness. Those are the people the accessibility team can take on. Meanwhile, the important people can continue being productive. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 12, 2018 22:39
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I've been on accessibility calls before, and its just fat women and old women narcissistically talking about their loving cats. They get no work done, yet they offer the illusiion of working. Everyone looks down upon these people. Do not be part of that crowd if you want to move up in the company.
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Feb 12, 2018 22:42
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Accessibility is easy, just make all the fonts and buttons overly large and hot dog stand everything.
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Feb 12, 2018 22:43
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Captain Foo posted:wish your posts were inaccessible, op aria-hidden="you"
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Feb 12, 2018 23:24
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Last Chance posted:images of text are the scourge of accessibility. i wonder if someone will make OCR'ing sick memes a thing lol i tried to OCR a share z0ne post once and that's why i've transcribed 2278 share z0ne posts by hand
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Feb 12, 2018 23:32
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idk if this counts, but just take anyone who has ever designed a low contrast interface and fire them into the sun
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Feb 12, 2018 23:36
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I HAVE GOUT posted:I've been on accessibility calls before, and its just fat women and old women narcissistically talking about their loving cats. They get no work done, yet they offer the illusiion of working. Everyone looks down upon these people. Do not be part of that crowd if you want to move up in the company. cool toxic workplace, I guess you’ve never presented to a colorblind ceo. a lot of this poo poo isn’t hard and much of it doesn’t even need that much consideration, I don’t know why you gotta be a pos about it anyways for maps http://colorbrewer2.org/ is useful
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Cocoa Crispies posted:last year i had to use a webapp i made over elinks over mosh because i was in a place with really bad internet and i'm glad i was too lazy to make it not work in elinks I recently hooked mutt up with w3m to generate text versions of HTML emails and it's doing a seriously decent job there. New text browser of choice.
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Feb 13, 2018 00:25
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I HAVE GOUT posted:I've been on accessibility calls before, and its just fat women and old women narcissistically talking about their loving cats. They get no work done, yet they offer the illusiion of working. Everyone looks down upon these people. Do not be part of that crowd if you want to move up in the company. I wish you would find the log out button more accessible holy poo poo what a bad take
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Feb 13, 2018 00:26
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I HAVE GOUT posted:GOod idea, let me just waste significant work time to make life easier for (up to) 0.01% of users. i haven't posted in yospos in like months and i'm here right now to tell you how loving stupid every sentence of your post is please source your quotes
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i work for a goverment institution, so our clusterfuck of websites ~must~ be ADA compliant. they get audited for it and everything
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I HAVE GOUT posted:GOod idea, let me just waste significant work time to make life easier for (up to) 0.01% of users. so when did you start on your company's accessibility team?
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Midjack posted:so when did you start on your company's accessibility team?
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I HAVE GOUT posted:GOod idea, let me just waste significant work time to make life easier for (up to) 0.01% of users. I HAVE GOUT posted:I've been on accessibility calls before, and its just fat women and old women narcissistically talking about their loving cats. They get no work done, yet they offer the illusiion of working. Everyone looks down upon these people. Do not be part of that crowd if you want to move up in the company. Have you tried sucking yourself off
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Feb 13, 2018 00:47
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yeah, an unironic "gently caress people with disabilites" post. i think that deserves a ban actually
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chain probe imo
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Midjack posted:so when did you start on your company's accessibility team?
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anyone who cant use a computer has a wonderful gift. how dare you try and take that from them.
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my bitter bi rival posted:anyone who cant use a computer has a wonderful gift. how dare you try and take that from them. hey, misery loves company, pal.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:lol fyi https://dasearch.zone/
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Roosevelt posted:i work for a goverment institution, so our clusterfuck of websites ~must~ be ADA compliant. they get audited for it and everything same for larger businesses. theres been several rulings recently in favor of employees at companies with inaccessible software, so its becoming a hot thing to fix. not a bad time to be a decent dev and not an rear end in a top hat
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Agile Vector posted:not a bad time to be a decent dev gently caress. Agile Vector posted:and not an rear end in a top hat gently caress!
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many devs ive seen be apathetic towards accessibility are often also very lazy/lovely devs. although ive never actually seen someone be actively hostile towards accessibility until this thread lol
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Cocoa Crispies posted:lol NICE!
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Feb 13, 2018 06:27
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Last Chance posted:many devs ive seen be apathetic towards accessibility are often also very lazy/lovely devs.
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i get insanely mad about user-hostile software and even just user-apathetic software that i see people i work with producing its like drat idiot just put 10% more thought or effort into the thing you're doing and save us all from misery of working with the thing you're making like i know you're a software developer making software for other developers but you still shouldn't be antagonistic to them!!!
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