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qirex posted:we once had a pitch meeting with an agency to help with designing our framework and when we asked about accessibility in their working practice they just sort of stopped and stared for 30 seconds plz take me with you
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ImmovableSquid posted:plz take me with you not that working for a giant bank is the best environment but at least everything isn't constant on fire/muppet arms status, it's just as screwed up but at a much more manageable pace
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Feb 14, 2018 23:16
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qirex posted:just find a huge evil company and apply to it, that's what I did If I didn't think now would be the worst time to be the newest guy at another company, I would. Maybe in a year...or four depending on the economy FUUUCK
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Feb 14, 2018 23:45
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ImmovableSquid posted:If I didn't think now would be the worst time to be the newest guy at another company, I would. on the plus side, it’d be your chance to start wearing a cape to work since people wouldn’t really know what to expect from you.
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Feb 14, 2018 23:47
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I can completely sympathize with you on this cause that is pretty much my experience too but hey it’s better than working as sandwich artist and delivery guy in idaho and barely scrapping by
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Feb 15, 2018 00:26
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MononcQc posted:usually the first half would need to be in French, and bigger as well! is this a quebec joke or something
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Feb 15, 2018 02:39
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redleader posted:is this a quebec joke or something If by joke you mean law, yes it is a Quebec joke.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i am not sure what is even the point driven at here, obviously there is no money to be made in making your product being accessible, and i don't think anyone is really interesting in claiming that. the typical software developer having embraced all they do being without any value except to make them money is also not really surprising i think the core point of the OP was that really good design has accessibility baked in already to a large extent, of course the average javascript does not get paid for that level of thinking and the volatility and speed of change in the web stack also means that it is difficult to get any industry standard to stick; also average the design ideas guy will piss, poo poo and moan at the restriction of his creative freedoms, but this situation is not entirely unlike how fancy pantsy architects need a crew of structural engineers to tell them that some things just aren't possible also the thing with disabilities seems to be that it's not a very small minority after all, because a lot of people seem to have mild mental or physical things going on that do not outright restrict them from doing things, but merely make them slower or more sluggish - an accessible design could improve the productivity of these people. like with screen readers - i would use the poo poo out of something that could just read me the news while biking to work each morning, but this kind of software does not seem to be developed because a) duh just listen to the radio, b) reading a screen is good enough for most and c) it's not worth catering to the small market of blind people as a really dumb example of accessible design benefiting me, an able-bodied person, is the following life hack: it is much easier to walk on the street staring at your phone constantly if you stick to the tactile paving bit
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Feb 15, 2018 05:31
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qirex posted:just find a huge evil company and apply to it, that's what I did big corp train, toot toot. other plus is everything is usual either in house dev and old, or vendor and bad so theres a never ending list of apps to make 1) usable without a shitload of training and 2) accessible without a shitload of lawsuits so my work is literally never done and the talent pool for my skillset is fairly small so theres always demand for my work its all layers of acceptable evil, like im not making cigarettes more accessible to children or something and most of what i do is so our employees resolve customer issues faster so its technically helping several people in their daily lives
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Feb 15, 2018 06:58
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how about making stuff accessible for people with ADHD? no videos or moving elements allowed
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Feb 15, 2018 08:04
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atomicthumbs posted:how about making stuff accessible for people with ADHD? no videos or moving elements allowed But then they'll just move on to a different site!
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Feb 15, 2018 15:37
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atomicthumbs posted:how about making stuff accessible for people with ADHD? no videos or moving elements allowed wcag 2 standards say no more than 5 seconds without a pause control and no more than 3 quick flashes to reduce the risk of seizures and slower than 3 a second when there is flashing
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Feb 15, 2018 17:19
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geocities would literally kill people basically
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Feb 15, 2018 17:19
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atomicthumbs posted:how about making stuff accessible for people with ADHD? no videos or moving elements allowed Most of the time, you can solve this yourself. ToggleAnimatedGifs for Firefox was great for reducing distractions as you're trying to read something, but it no longer works. Useful bonus feature was restarting a long animated gif on demand. I haven't found a proper replacement. Reader mode is another way to reduce distracting elements.
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Feb 15, 2018 19:02
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somebody needs to invent a digital fidget cube/busy box thingy.
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Feb 15, 2018 19:03
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You mean a mouse and keyboard?
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Feb 15, 2018 19:03
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like little radio buttons and sliders and stuff. but they can't actually do anything.
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Feb 15, 2018 19:04
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pls don't trivialize this innovative idea.
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Feb 15, 2018 19:05
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President Beep posted:like little radio buttons and sliders and stuff. windows 3.1 had one
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Cocoa Crispies posted:windows 3.1 had one cool cool adhd goon just use windows 3.1
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Feb 16, 2018 01:59
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Stick Insect posted:You mean a mouse and keyboard? i constantly highlight and unhighlight text as i read it and it drives some of my coworkers nuts
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Feb 16, 2018 02:57
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:i constantly highlight and unhighlight text as i read it and it drives some of my coworkers nuts doing user testing this behavior is pretty common, that and causal clicking and random mousing. its neat to ask what folks were thinking of when they were doing it and they look baffled since its an unconscious behavior. also fun to see how it clutters heat tracking for clicks
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Feb 16, 2018 03:17
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Avenging_Mikon posted:But then they'll just move on to a different site! don't worry, I'm sure I'll be back 
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Feb 16, 2018 11:33
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accessibility is great and for Apple platforms making a native UI accessible is both very easy and makes it easy to write tests against too instead of having to write tests that click at specific positions and compare bitmaps and such bullshit, using the accessibility infrastructure for testing means you can locate controls by containment (same as VoiceOver, full keyboard navigation, and other assistive technologies) and ask the OS to invoke them for you and get you their new state and you can easily make controls use language independent accessibility identifiers, too, so you can run the same set of tests against a UI no matter what language and region the user is in—even one with a very different layout like right-to-left if your organization’s not taking accessibility seriously it’s not just loving over its users, it’s loving over itself
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Gonna make a bot that contributes aria attr updates to open source repos, but its all wrong information and doesnt line up. But theyll merge the PR’s anyways because they dont care enough about the disabled to test that it works.
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I HAVE GOUT posted:Gonna make a bot that contributes aria attr updates to open source repos, but its all wrong information and doesnt line up. But theyll merge the PR’s anyways because they dont care enough about the disabled to test that it works. your a dipshit
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Feb 24, 2018 17:20
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https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/03/how-blind-players-succeed-at-sports-video-games-theyve-never-seen/ ars coverage of a GDC presentation by EA on accessibility sports games make sense, but folks are playing Need For Speed games without the use of the screen. good read
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Speaking of accessibility! Today work sent out an email about a stress workshop. The email was sent with one regular line of text and then a big picture of uselessness, and then all the details were part of the picture. I instantly thought how terrible that was.
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JawnV6 posted:https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/03/how-blind-players-succeed-at-sports-video-games-theyve-never-seen/ Neat stuff. Thanks!
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gonna see if i can convince work to license a copy of jaws instead of nvda for testing because i want something pricier than an adobe creative suite bundle also the devs i helped the other day had the most user hostile site. unique ids arent just for screen readers 
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Speaking of accessibility! Today work sent out an email about a stress workshop. The email was sent with one regular line of text and then a big picture of uselessness, and then all the details were part of the picture. I instantly thought how terrible that was. reply with just the text Section 508 and CC your HR department
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aria-labelledby="myballs"
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Agile Vector posted:aria-labelledby="myballs" No matter how accessible you make them, dude, no one wants your balls.
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is that some web thing? the web is already accessible, because it presents the hierarchical structure of the document you’re reading and allows easy labeling of form fields for applications the operating system typically provides some baseline functionality for its native toolkit, which developers can leverage for exposing their native UI to accessibility tools more gracefully
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eschaton posted:is that some web thing? lol
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Mar 23, 2018 02:33
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i keep forgetting i want to try yospos using a screen reader sometime
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Roosevelt posted:i keep forgetting i want to try yospos using a screen reader sometime i think theres a few yosposters that have limited vision and do use a screen reader, so id be curious how well it works. itd be nice to fix anything glaring eschaton posted:is that some web thing? i mean, maybe if web devs werent lazy assholes i just today preemptively caught one of our devs mapping clicks to an image to act like a button, in a way that wont gain focus, so keyboard only users and screen reader users cant reach the control. also it was unlabeled so it is invisible to screen readers because i can almost bet good money they didnt add alt text to the image at best itll announce an image as it reads content but wont announce any functionality, also this control manages page flow so its important if youd like to use the app to any real degree
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for those curious, the free screen reader nv access (nvda) is available for windows: https://www.nvaccess.org i prefer the microsoft speech engine but everyone has their preferences
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Agile Vector posted:i mean, maybe if web devs werent lazy assholes that doesn’t sound like hypertext document markup to me, are you sure they’re not misusing the technology to do something other than document presentation? if you need an application you should write an application, not try to pretend web pages are an application
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eschaton posted:that doesn’t sound like hypertext document markup to me, are you sure they’re not misusing the technology to do something other than document presentation? ship has looong sailed on that one, pal
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