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mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017
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This is a very disturbing book:

https://www.amazon.com/Strangers-Ou...18512776&sr=8-1



quote:

"Know thyself," a precept as old as Socrates, is still good advice. But is introspection the best path to self-knowledge? What are we trying to discover, anyway? In an eye-opening tour of the unconscious, as contemporary psychological science has redefined it, Timothy D. Wilson introduces us to a hidden mental world of judgments, feelings, and motives that introspection may never show us.

This is not your psychoanalyst's unconscious. The adaptive unconscious that empirical psychology has revealed, and that Wilson describes, is much more than a repository of primitive drives and conflict-ridden memories. It is a set of pervasive, sophisticated mental processes that size up our worlds, set goals, and initiate action, all while we are consciously thinking about something else.

If we don't know ourselves--our potentials, feelings, or motives--it is most often, Wilson tells us, because we have developed a plausible story about ourselves that is out of touch with our adaptive unconscious. Citing evidence that too much introspection can actually do damage, Wilson makes the case for better ways of discovering our unconscious selves. If you want to know who you are or what you feel or what you're like, Wilson advises, pay attention to what you actually do and what other people think about you. Showing us an unconscious more powerful than Freud's, and even more pervasive in our daily life, Strangers to Ourselves marks a revolution in how we know ourselves.

Can any psych majors chime in on this topic? Is this stuff taught in college now? I started listening to the audio version of this book -- which I've since got refunded cause I'm a sissy -- and the author at the beginning pretty much says these questions/ideas were ignored for much of the 20th century cause Freud's ideas took up all the space in psychology as far as the unconscious was concerned.

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mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017
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Because the implication is that the thinking self just rationalizes decisions and motivations made at a deeper level. The mind lies to itself to make it all the more easier for us to conceal our motives from others. Like the straight guy who convinces himself he really prefers having girls as friends over dudes but really what's going is that his deeper primitive mind is just having him carry out a strategy of hanging around females so he can increase his mating opportunities.

mr_gay_sex_fan
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SickZip posted:

read surfing uncertainity. its cool and has more recent research and explains the nature of thought in a way more advanced then i believed science had gotten on the subject

poor tldr:
-the brain is fundamentally a predictive engine from top to bottom. your conscious experience is the very top of a bunch of layers of prediction-and-comparison. stuff that "works", that fits generated predictions, stays unconscious. stuff that doesnt work is passed upward through the layers until it reaches the conscious mind. the conscious mind being basically a guided dream, a narrative told to ourself used to resolve uncertainty and dissonance between prediction and reality that the lower levels cant make sense of.

yea that's hosed up man

mr_gay_sex_fan
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Here is some nerd giving a talk on this topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4lEvvY1r5U

the point at the 8 minute mark is what really upsets me if it's true

mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2018 around 15:31

mr_gay_sex_fan
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:

op you sound like a real dumb dumb and I'm going to whip your bare rear end with reeds until you apologize for this thread

my hidden motive in making this thread is probably to signal to random people on the web how intelligent and curious I am so I can get a self-esteem boost but evidently I'm not fooling anyone

don't blame me for this thread, I have no control over my unconscious

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