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hackbunny posted:OK, so my plan to completely ignore the news and TV has worked, because I had no loving idea who the PM was outside of the name. I literally had never seen his face before this thread. I planned to naively read the programs of each party, and vote based on that, willingly ignoring the subtext. Thanks to C-SPAM, I guess that will not happen any idea why there seems to be an absence of any kind of real "left" in Italy aside from a 5% polling splitter party? i read that your commies sold out and became centrists after the end of the ussr
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hackbunny posted:OK, so my plan to completely ignore the news and TV has worked, because I had no loving idea who the PM was outside of the name. I literally had never seen his face before this thread. I planned to naively read the programs of each party, and vote based on that, willingly ignoring the subtext. Thanks to C-SPAM, I guess that will not happen probably vote for the only party that isn't a fascist party, what the gently caress is going on in italy
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the bitcoin of weed posted:probably vote for the only party that isn't a fascist party, what the gently caress is going on in italy Its italy dude! They are like hot weather romania.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:probably vote for the only party that isn't a fascist party, what the gently caress is going on in italy without knowing anything about it, I would guess the same thing happening across Europe and NA: the neoliberal consensus is collapsing, and center-left parties are going down with it because they’re the ones who actually believed in it, whereas the right only used it as cover for their real principles of nativism and plutocracy
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Yossarian-22 posted:He's back, but also barred from running due to corruption??? He's decided to be the face of Forza Italia this year, but it's unknown who would be PM in the event that they lead a coalition government. A proto-Nazi/Nazi/Southern Nazi coalition between them and Northern League/Brothers of Italy is currently the most likely coalition, despite FI being pro-EU. Has pledged to deport 600,000 immigrants. Pedophile, convicted of tax fraud, and authoritarian. SILVIO And animal lover. Never forget that they're trying to capture the animal lover vote Dreddout posted:I don't know much about Italy but it's pretty cool that 3/6 political parties are fascist. Oh no, they're just fascist-friendly. The only outright fascist party is Fratelli d'Italia (literally the original Fascist Party). None of the other very overt and very illegal (but still uncontested because unlike Germany's our fascist party ban is a joke) fascist parties are in that list, except maybe in coalitions. Parties like Fiamma Tricolore (literally the original Fascist Party, part two), Forza Nuova (literally the original Fascist Party, part three) and CasaPound (formerly a fascist squat named after Ezra Pound, now a "party" of thugs and alleged small-time gangsters) Plutonis posted:the house of savoy has been banished from italy I've said and I'll repeat that we went way too easy on them, considering how other countries got rid of their royalty Plutonis posted:had their wealth confiscated dude Their palaces make cool museums Lawman 0 posted:Hasn't their stuff been super dodgy It's been a complete and utter disaster, every single time. Their latest online platform has been hacked immediately, opening a huge  on whether the kid who did the hack is a criminal or someone who has performed a public service (he's neither IMO). Many people in the Italian infosec community have been following the case and (stupidly) serving hot takes for days, because they're in a pretty understandable panic: what if the M5S wins, and they start criminalizing hacking?An interesting thing about the Five Star Movement is that it's no longer a "movement" at all but a very typical political party. They have completely reformed it since its founding and removed all kinds of "direct democracy" and "participation" and replaced them with a pretty classical hierarchy. No, what's really interesting is that I think most people in the movement haven't even noticed the switch Another interesting thing is that, like Salvini Premier and other populist parties in other countries, they're apparently being pushed hard by Russian bots Yossarian-22 posted:any idea why there seems to be an absence of any kind of real "left" in Italy aside from a 5% polling splitter party? i read that your commies sold out and became centrists after the end of the ussr They were bought out is what I've been told as well, but I think the splinter groups that turned to terrorism around the same time also played a part. I'm hazy on history, sorry. All the left I've ever known personally was small local stuff like squats, 0% worker's parties, and the like While I'm here, I guess I'll post about a friend's project. They created six Facebook bots, gave each sympathy for a specific party (by "liking" their pages), made them follow the same news sources, and then let them scroll their timelines several times a day, reporting on what they saw. The intent was to document "the bubble", and it's already yielding interesting results:  For some reason, fashbot is served almost exclusively photo posts, while the other bots mainly see link posts or a mix of links and photos. Undecidedbot is another outlier, who is shown way more videos than the others The project is at a, well, embryonic stage, and the subproject specifically about the March elections has only been documented in Italian so far, but I'm rooting for them, even if they look terribly outmatched. And yeah it's all written in a pretty breathless and paranoid style but that's just my homie vecna being his usual self. I mean it's not like we're talking about epto I've read that they now have an actual data scientist on board, and they may get even more interesting results
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Speaking of "digital democracy", the Five Star Movement ignoramuses need not apply, because there's already an ongoing "digitalization" project that's very cool and that I'm participating to in my spare time. They talked about it at the last FOSDEM, and I know some of the people in it, so I know they're legit
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By the way, these must be the first true "cyber" elections in Italy. For one, Facebook have decided to intervene directly, with this thing: It's an automated, itemized summary of the positions expressed by each party on many topics and issues (shown here: agriculture and food). Commendable that they feel responsible, after the Trump fiasco, but I'm very skeptical of it. It also feels inappropriate for an entity like Facebook to do this (I haven't really thought hard about why I feel it's wrong, but I do) Then there's these goobers, who use ａｌｇｏｒｉｔｈｍｓ to determine for what party you should vote, based on a questionnaire: http://cosavoterai.it/. I haven't tried it but it'll probably peg me as communist, what else? Finally, the circus noises in the background: the M5S hack, the shadow of Russian bots, etc.
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hackbunny posted:TL;DR but rushing in to post: pray for us did they pass this law explicitly to gently caress over M5S, or was there another reason for it?
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Yossarian-22 posted:any idea why there seems to be an absence of any kind of real "left" in Italy aside from a 5% polling splitter party? i read that your commies sold out and became centrists after the end of the ussr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
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quote:In the Archer episode "Lo Scandalo", the character Malory Archer mentions having been involved in Operation Gladio when younger. It is described by Lana Kane as "a crypto-fascist shitshow, starring Allen Dulles and a bunch of former Nazis." get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 17:19 on Feb 16, 2018 |
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I'm an overseas citizen and every so often I get my voting papers in the mail. I mostly just ignore them since I don't think I should be voting for policies that won't effect me, and also I don't follow politics there closely enough. But I want to get involved this time in order to learn a bit. Interestingly enough, Italians living abroad voted against their own suffrage recently, but most Italians voted to keep it or something? quote:In 2016, a constitutional referendum was held in order to change the Constitution of Italy. The proposed constitution, put forward by the then Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, would eliminate the seats assigned to the overseas constituencies in the Senate of the Republic.[2] Almost 60% of voters voted against the constitutional reform, which therefore was rejected, and Renzi tendered his resignation. However, Italians living abroad voted the opposite way (with 65% saying 'yes'),[3] thus asking to eliminate their own seats in the Senate. Anyway how can I vote for the ghost of the Italian socialisti?
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i know we've never been close but i feel so strongly that i am willing to transmit my Thoughts and Prayers to you italy. you're welcome
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Yossarian-22 posted:any idea why there seems to be an absence of any kind of real "left" in Italy aside from a 5% polling splitter party? i read that your commies sold out and became centrists after the end of the ussr Oh I almost forgot: the communist party was successfully destroyed by cold war anti-communism, but what about the socialist party? Well, they were so notoriously, comically corrupt that for decades the word "socialist" was literally used as a synonym of "thieving". Not that they were any worse than other political parties of the time, as the Tangentopoli scandal pretty much wiped the slate clean, discrediting an entire generation of politicians and parties... and creating a power vacuum that was promptly filled by Berlusconi
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a primate posted:I'm an overseas citizen and every so often I get my voting papers in the mail. I mostly just ignore them since I don't think I should be voting for policies that won't effect me, and also I don't follow politics there closely enough. But I want to get involved this time in order to learn a bit.
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hackbunny posted:Oh I almost forgot: the communist party was successfully destroyed by cold war anti-communism, but what about the socialist party? Well, they were so notoriously, comically corrupt that for decades the word "socialist" was literally used as a synonym of "thieving". Not that they were any worse than other political parties of the time, as the Tangentopoli scandal pretty much wiped the slate clean, discrediting an entire generation of politicians and parties... and creating a power vacuum that was promptly filled by Berlusconi As an aside, this sounds a lot like Brazil's recent past and probable future, with Bolsonaro as Berlusconi
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:As an aside, this sounds a lot like Brazil's recent past and probable future, with Bolsonaro as Berlusconi
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luv 2 shoot my fascist RAW promo
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What's up with the bitching about eastern Europe taking your jobs?
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Lawman 0 posted:What's up with the bitching about eastern Europe taking your jobs? Without knowing who said that and in what context, it's hard to tell if it's racist, populist or eurosceptic messaging. Where have you seen it?
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hackbunny posted:Without knowing who said that and in what context, it's hard to tell if it's racist, populist or eurosceptic messaging. Where have you seen it? Reuters has story about a factory moving to Slovakia
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etalian posted:No porn stars running in this election? Best I can give you is a high profile trans prostitute who has promised a 50% discount for voters of Lega-Salvini Premier with photo proof (e: REMINDER: taking a photo of your ballot is super mega illegal as it's the basis for the hyper illegal practice of vote buying). She's also the third hit (i.e. the "third most notable") in Facebook's graph search for people who "like" both Forza Nuova and Casapound (reminder: two minor fascist parties). She's not even Italian she's a Turkish citizen  And I will hear no disparaging of Moana Pozzi or Ilona Staller hackbunny has issued a correction as of 15:51 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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hackbunny posted:Best I can give you is a high profile trans prostitute who has promised a 50% discount for voters of Lega-Salvini Premier with photo proof. She's also the third hit (i.e. the "third most notable") in Facebook's graph search for people who "like" both Forza Nuova and Casapound (reminder: two minor fascist parties). She's not even Italian she's a Turkish citizen Italians for the loving win
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so why are italians so broken brained (asking as someone of italian descent)
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I can't wait for you guys to hold a referendum on the Euro and then blow it the gently caress up. Come on Italy!
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Junior G-man posted:I can't wait for you guys to hold a referendum on the Euro and then blow it the gently caress up. Come on Italy! It's a kind of referendum that can't legally be held in Italy (but I'm sure they'll find a way)
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More circus: Italian Fascist Salvini Emails Hacked and Leaked by LulzSecITA (20 GB) quote:Hello Salvini, you want to be a premier for Italy, but due to your high incompetence level, even people subscribed to your various websites can’t have peaceful night’s sleep.
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Kurtofan posted:potere al popolo would be my choice They must be doing something right, too, as one of their people was stabbed by fascists OK, a little background. Italian leftists have little to no political representation. All leftist politicians have either been rolled into the neoliberal Democratic Party (e.g. my city's former mayor, promptly replaced with a suit better aligned with the party's authoritarian ideals), or they have switched sides completely - to name two dramatic examples, former Italian communists include xenophobic populist Salvini and theocon Ferrara. Most leftist action is therefore "extra-parliamentary", and since the end of red terrorism, typically takes the form of self-managed initiatives: cultural, sports and entertainment events, fundraisers, free or cheap education and training, "people's" gyms and restaurants, and so on. Invariably, these are held at community centers: both "legitimate" clubs, typically part of the ARCI national association, and illegal squats [non-leftist popular initiatives can count on a third kind of venue: Catholic church property] Sounds good so far? Well, the problem is, basically nobody in Italy knows. "Centro sociale" ("social/community center") is a dirty word, they're where long haired commie kids go to do drugs and... do drugs. And organize protests. And do drugs. I believed this bullshit myself for years, even if it doesn't make sense So, whenever anything leftist happens in Italy, good or bad, it's those centro sociale people with their... drugs. And ever since the Genoa G8 introduced the term to the general public, they're considered interchangeable with "the black bloc" - yes, Italian media uses the term as if it describes a specific group. This provides a handy template to instantly and easily 1: dismiss any grassroots leftist initiative, 2: criminalize any protest that hasn't received the blessing of the Democratic Party and 3: dismiss fascist attacks on activists It's late and this is getting long, so I'll stop here. I'll post examples, but for now, you know how the news of this stabbing (and the many other clashes between leftists and fascists that are happening lately) is going to be received by the general public
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Kurtofan posted:so why are italians so broken brained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVWupFBkA8
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Lawman 0 posted:I liked the new John Oliver bit
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