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Kaal posted:I believe if AI policy is set to Servitude, there remains a possibility for rebellion. I mean, I pulled that from the wiki so go argue with them. Also, I typically play slavemongers (but not Spiritualists) and haven't had the AI uprising since 1.0, take that as you will.
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Serephina posted:Isn't there also a sapience option? As in, they have to be both sapient and enslaved to cause an uprising? If you just research the tech but keep robots as brain-dead you'll never see the event apparently? God knows I've not seen a robot uprising in aaages. Outlawed: Brain Clamps on any synths you make (if they're already on the rebellion chain you'll immediately trigger a rebellion) Servitude: Rebellion chain Citizen Rights: Rebellion's off boys Serephina posted:I mean, I pulled that from the wiki so go argue with them. Also, I typically play slavemongers (but not Spiritualists) and haven't had the AI uprising since 1.0, take that as you will. e: wiki says: In Synthetic Dawn.png Synthetic Dawn synthetics in servitude may start an AI rebellion.
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Serephina posted:I mean, I pulled that from the wiki so go argue with them. Also, I typically play slavemongers (but not Spiritualists) and haven't had the AI uprising since 1.0, take that as you will. I think that might have been a misreading, the Wiki spells out the conditions. https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/AI_rebellion https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Population Splicer posted:Oh wait I told a lie, the slavery thing shows up as soon as you research the Positronic AI tech even if you never research synths. I believe that Positronic AI won't trigger the Machine Uprising events, but Sapient Combat Simulations will. Kaal fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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Kaal posted:I believe that Positronic AI won't trigger the Machine Uprising events, but Sapient Combat Simulations will. I suppose that makes sense, if you leave your AIs just chilling in a lab just doing research or whatever they're chill, it's only once you make them start killing their own clones over and over again that it becomes an issue. AG3 posted:It's kind of curious how the whole event chain for the uprising makes it seem like the droids/robots are only barely sapient, if at all. It doesn't feel like a quest chain about synthetic people being oppressed at all, more like they're all robots stumbling into unintended semi-sapience and starting to ask their creators whether they are alive or not.
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Can you have a second AI Rebellion once you deal with the first one? My doomstack fleets are pretty advanced at this stage (Just wrapped up the two-front war against my ally's AI Rebellion and my own in 2407. Hopefully the Crisis gives me a few years to catch up...) but if I have another one on top of the looming crisis and the other Federation getting testy with us, it's gonna be hell. Will purging all my robots and Outlawing AI be a solution to this? They can't revolt in my empire if they don't exist, right?
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Whoops! Yea I misread the sapience thing on that page, my bad. ...Does AI policy start as outlawed? I never touch the thing I'm sure. Doesn't matter, my bad. But what's with the wiki saying the uprising in Synthetic Dawn DLC only? I feel like we've had this conversation before, in that I've had the uprising in 1.0 and not seen it since. Was it moved to DLC-only? Are there like two versions of it now, and that page is only the DLC version?
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Serephina posted:Whoops! Yea I misread the sapience thing on that page, my bad. ...Does AI policy start as outlawed? I never touch the thing I'm sure. Doesn't matter, my bad.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Can you have a second AI Rebellion once you deal with the first one? My doomstack fleets are pretty advanced at this stage (Just wrapped up the two-front war against my ally's AI Rebellion and my own in 2407. Hopefully the Crisis gives me a few years to catch up...) but if I have another one on top of the looming crisis and the other Federation getting testy with us, it's gonna be hell. No, it's a one-shot deal. Once the chain happens, regardless of the outcome, it won't happen again.
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Serephina posted:Whoops! Yea I misread the sapience thing on that page, my bad. ...Does AI policy start as outlawed? I never touch the thing I'm sure. Doesn't matter, my bad. The old uprising was a crisis that got reworked into the Contingency.
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Serephina posted:Whoops! Yea I misread the sapience thing on that page, my bad. ...Does AI policy start as outlawed? I never touch the thing I'm sure. Doesn't matter, my bad. AI policy is unlocked once Positronic AI is researched and it starts set to Servitude. It's possible that if Robotic Workers are Outlawed then AI policy is also automatically Outlawed. I've never run across that particular combination, since that would require a lot of robot tech that isn't going to be used.
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The lag is absolutely insane late game when you have Chamber of Elevation on several dozen colonies.
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End game lag really sucks cause its finally when mega and gigastructures start unlocking and I can't even play with them because the game lag makes their already long build times take like 4 times longer. Maybe I should start playing with tech research at like .25 so they come in faster
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And Tyler Too! posted:Not enough planets being exploded imo I blew up as many as I could on my last few wars just so I didn’t have to deal with managing them.
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til: Cyborgs *do not* like machine planets
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Leal posted:End game lag really sucks cause its finally when mega and gigastructures start unlocking and I can't even play with them because the game lag makes their already long build times take like 4 times longer. Maybe I should start playing with tech research at like .25 so they come in faster I think my most fun games have been with research set lower. It really speeds things up.
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Leal posted:End game lag really sucks cause its finally when mega and gigastructures start unlocking and I can't even play with them because the game lag makes their already long build times take like 4 times longer. Maybe I should start playing with tech research at like .25 so they come in faster
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Poil posted:Don't worry, the next dlc is going to be focused on the late game and add more stuff you also can't do. they did say that they were going to reduce the number of pops at endgame by ~1/2 so here's hoping
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Oh right, I had completely forgotten about that. Guess we'll see.
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fashionly snort posted:til: Cyborgs *do not* like machine planets Yeah, this was a nasty discovery.
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ulmont posted:Yeah, this was a nasty discovery. fashionly snort posted:til: Cyborgs *do not* like machine planets It was in the Terms and Conditions.
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I had slavery prohibited, hadn't bought any slaves, had all species set to full citizenship, and yet I got a message saying I sold a slave for 1000 energy. Was that a bug? How do I check to see if I have any other slaves somewhere? Also I'm doing a pacifist shared burdens run with the intent to make the galactic community vote itself up the "greater good" chain. Is there a generally understood "best" gameplan for taking over the galactic community? Do I have to be a xenophile? Do I need diplo corps? I refuse to go to war and I wanted agrarian idyll, so I went for pacifism, but I'm worried I made problems for myself down the line.
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fashionly snort posted:til: Cyborgs *do not* like machine planets I maintain that this is stupid, given the Borg live on machine planets and they are definitely cyborgs. That said, your cyborgs can still live on machine planets if you've got enough habitability boosts for them.
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Ragnar34 posted:I had slavery prohibited, hadn't bought any slaves, had all species set to full citizenship, and yet I got a message saying I sold a slave for 1000 energy. Was that a bug? How do I check to see if I have any other slaves somewhere? I have had the unexpected slave sale happen, as well. I suspect that if you just recently took over some planet, it may be that the previous owner had already put pops up for sale and it's not automatically reverted. You can check the slave market tab on the galactic market screen, though I'm not sure if it's easy to figure this one out.
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AG3 posted:It's kind of curious how the whole event chain for the uprising makes it seem like the droids/robots are only barely sapient, if at all. It doesn't feel like a quest chain about synthetic people being oppressed at all, more like they're all robots stumbling into unintended semi-sapience and starting to ask their creators whether they are alive or not. tbf if a robot asks you if it has a soul you've already crossed the sapience rubicon and you need to grant it the same legal rights as every other sapient being or else you deserve the inevitable slave rebellion
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Can you have a second AI Rebellion once you deal with the first one? My doomstack fleets are pretty advanced at this stage (Just wrapped up the two-front war against my ally's AI Rebellion and my own in 2407. Hopefully the Crisis gives me a few years to catch up...) but if I have another one on top of the looming crisis and the other Federation getting testy with us, it's gonna be hell. Correct. What'll end up happening is that they'll revolt in some other Empire and you can support them. It's hilarious. "Surely our AI (soulless husks without rights) won't get tired of being enslaved the way the AI one star system over did. Go through the Galactic Council and outlaw slavery imo, only poo poo Empires suffer.
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Leal posted:End game lag really sucks cause its finally when mega and gigastructures start unlocking and I can't even play with them because the game lag makes their already long build times take like 4 times longer. Maybe I should start playing with tech research at like .25 so they come in faster Yes. Causing the Unbidden to show up in 2307 is hilarious.
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Relevant Tangent posted:tbf if a robot asks you if it has a soul you've already crossed the sapience rubicon and you need to grant it the same legal rights as every other sapient being or else you deserve the inevitable slave rebellion A few years ago a learning AI asked its creators if it was Human. No robot uprising there, it was just trying to learn classifications such as if a dog is more or less like a cat than it is a table. So like a parent talking down about their child, when a true droid asks if it has a soul, we'll just laugh and say it has no idea what it's talking about.
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Relevant Tangent posted:tbf if a robot asks you if it has a soul you've already crossed the sapience rubicon and you need to grant it the same legal rights as every other sapient being or else you deserve the inevitable slave rebellion I was more talking about how the event line itself makes it seem like you're dealing with dumb robots suddenly asking the hard questions, even though you might have researched Synths and the personality matrix and what not which should make them more or less human-like. While it's probably a lot to ask, I feel like there should be two event lines; one for when you're only at droids researched and one for when you've researched Synthetics (and I guess personality matrix).
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AG3 posted:I was more talking about how the event line itself makes it seem like you're dealing with dumb robots suddenly asking the hard questions, even though you might have researched Synths and the personality matrix and what not which should make them more or less human-like. In my usual case everyone knows robots are people but I keep forgetting to sign it into law until some robots go "hey do we have souls" and I'm all "oh poo poo I forgot to send you guys to school. Also lolno souls are made up". Splicer fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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"Souls are fake, please ignore the Empire next door that has ripped a hole directly into Hell through the power of their minds and is using it to power their ships." Once an Empire is actually Psionic or has fully Borged themselves the only option they should have with Empires with the opposite Ascension is 'Weary Detente" We don't understand them and they don't understand us, all attempts at cultural and scientific exchange are useless.'
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I'm playing Stellaris for the first time in 2 years and a Machine empire probably ever. Pops are going well over 100% on the Assembly Progress but not making any new pops. Is this a bug / issue with custom machine empires, or is there something I'm missing? Fake edit: The image isn't wanting to attach for some reason, but Demographics / Assembling is sitting at 1072.2/100.0
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Beef Hardcheese posted:I'm playing Stellaris for the first time in 2 years and a Machine empire probably ever. Pops are going well over 100% on the Assembly Progress but not making any new pops. Is this a bug / issue with custom machine empires, or is there something I'm missing? You wouldn't happen to be using the Glavius mod, would you?
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Serephina posted:You wouldn't happen to be using the Glavius mod, would you? Yes.... Yes I am. 
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Beef Hardcheese posted:Yes.... Yes I am. There's a fix in the workshop
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fashionly snort posted:they did say that they were going to reduce the number of pops at endgame by ~1/2 so here's hoping You can do this RN with enough world crackers
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Relevant Tangent posted:"Souls are fake, please ignore the Empire next door that has ripped a hole directly into Hell through the power of their minds and is using it to power their ships." Pssh, just because those superstitious fools lucked into exploiting higher dimensions through a quirk of evolution doesn't mean there is such a things as 'souls'. Once we have harvested and cultured enough of their neural matter we will quite easily be able to build devices that replicate their abilities and make use of the
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MrL_JaKiri posted:There's a fix in the workshop Ah, thanks! This seems to have done the trick, it only gave me a single Pop for the 1000 points I had but it's better than nothing. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2293478298
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Serephina posted:A few years ago a learning AI asked its creators if it was Human. No robot uprising there, it was just trying to learn classifications such as if a dog is more or less like a cat than it is a table. So like a parent talking down about their child, when a true droid asks if it has a soul, we'll just laugh and say it has no idea what it's talking about. I know it's a flaw of Human language, but a learning AI "asking" something isn't actually asking something. Same way your toaster isn't "telling" you that the toast is ready by using a ping-sound. On the sapiency-meter our current learning algorithms are just one step above a cockroach-brain. So sure, as long as our toasters and phones aren't uprising against us, neither will this "learning AI". If a true droid has the experience you describe, the next step is billions of Humans dying. And we would deserve it.
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