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The opener to Spectre really was something to see on the big screen, up there with some of the best openings in the whole series. I don't dislike the movie overall, but I don't think it ever topped that first 10 minutes.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Moonraker also has the scene where Bond drives his Bondola through a square in Venice (?) and it makes a pigeon do a double-take. As a kid I never understood that the pigeon did a double take. I thought it was just grooving out to the score.
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Mar 11, 2018 18:11
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Moonraker is peak Roger Moore. It moves at probably the fastest pace of any of his films, and each scene is more ridiculous than the last. Its stupid, but its everything you want out of a Moore film. Also the villain looks like a regular sized Peter Dinklage. The actual worst Moore movie is For Your Eyes Only, because it tries to not to be a Moore film. Its way too serious! It would have been great for Dalton, however.
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Mar 11, 2018 18:43
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Mantis42 posted:The actual worst Moore movie is For Your Eyes Only, because it tries to not to be a Moore film. Its way too serious! It would have been great for Dalton, however. This for real. Something with the Moore movies though always feels so dated to me. Not because I was born after most of them were made but because, like, Our Man Flint and In Like Flint cover so much campy Moore movie caliber territory and did it like six years before Moore even took the role. It's like if that new Halloween movie they're making was intentionally modeled after Scary Movie.
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Mantis42 posted:The actual worst Moore movie is For Your Eyes Only, because it tries to not to be a Moore film. Its way too serious! It would have been great for Dalton, however. I'm not going to say it's bad, but I felt Live and Let Die was the one that was too serious. Bond almost getting shot in a back alley by drug dealers felt super out of place. Luckily the movie went more fantastical as it went long, but the stretch of the movie always feels weird to me.
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The rather in-your-face racism is kind of an issue with Live and Let Die, as well.
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Mantis42 posted:Quantum of Solace had a rough behind the scenes development, but is pretty, has two of the best sequences in the series (the opening car chase and the opera scene are both phenomenal), and is already seeing a critical reevaluation the way OHMSS did. People mock its villain's plot, but a rich capitalist engineering a third world coup, with the tacit support of the CIA, in order to control their natural resources is something that real life Bond villains do, and is perfect for the grounded take they were going for when Craig first started. And Mr. Greene is a compelling villain, who gets one of the cruelest comeuppances in the series. Mostly agree with this, except that opening car chase kinda sucks. I remember reading somewhere that they initially filmed three cars chasing Bond, per the script, but then cut it down to two in editing? Also, this has probably been talked to death, but QoS is vastly improved if you watch it immediately after Casino Royale. Skyfall works real well as a standalone, though, and Spectre was just meh all around (with the exception of the Mexico City sequence)
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Mar 12, 2018 18:46
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ninjahedgehog posted:Mostly agree with this, except that opening car chase kinda sucks. I remember reading somewhere that they initially filmed three cars chasing Bond, per the script, but then cut it down to two in editing? This is correct, yes.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:48
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i hope they never make a bond movie with a black or a female bond
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Mar 12, 2018 18:56
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Dyna Soar posted:i hope they never make a bond movie with a black or a female bond I don't know that they'll ever go with a woman as Bond, but I have to imagine they'll look very closely at options other than "attractive white guy" when they replace Craig after this movie.
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Mar 12, 2018 19:36
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You know, I was sold on Idris Elba as Bond for a long time, but I think I've gone off him a bit lately because although he would be good, I feel like he'd be too similar to Craig (and partly because I'm a bit worn out on how he seems to be the only black British actor the Internet has ever heard of and fantasy cast him for everything). If you're going to have a black actor as James Bond, I think my first choice now would be David Oyelowo or Colin Salmon (though he might be too old).
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Mar 12, 2018 21:02
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Elba is too old now as well, the time to cast him came and went. He'd be pushing 50 by the time his first Bond was released. I'd love to see a shakeup of the formula though along those lines, I'd have no problem at all with a female Bond.
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Mar 12, 2018 21:04
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Elba has also said he has zero interest in taking the role at this time, because all the focus would be on "the first black Bond" rather than his actual performance.
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Mar 12, 2018 21:12
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Timby posted:I don't know that they'll ever go with a woman as Bond, but I have to imagine they'll look very closely at options other than "attractive white guy" when they replace Craig after this movie. I seriously doubt it. Their first option was Tom Hiddleston til he blew it. Craig continues to be Bond because they still haven't found a suitable attractive white dude to replace him.
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Mar 12, 2018 21:41
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Electronico6 posted:I seriously doubt it. Their first option was Tom Hiddleston til he blew it. Craig continues to be Bond because they still haven't found a suitable attractive white dude to replace him. Out of curiosity, how did Hiddleston blow it?
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Mar 12, 2018 21:53
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Steve2911 posted:Out of curiosity, how did Hiddleston blow it? Taylor Swift of all things. Bond folk don't want an actor who thinks is bigger than the role, and everything about the Swift and Hiddleston romance was a major publicity stunt circus, so off the list he went.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:12
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Electronico6 posted:Taylor Swift of all things. Bond folk don't want an actor who thinks is bigger than the role, and everything about the Swift and Hiddleston romance was a major publicity stunt circus, so off the list he went. It's always been that way, to one degree or another. Cubby Broccoli toyed with the idea of casting Oliver Reed for On Her Majesty's Secret Service but ultimately decided against it because Reed already had an image, he was already a star on the rise (he'd been in Oliver! the previous year, for instance) and if they put him in a James Bond movie, they'd have had to try and overcome that image so people would see James Bond when they looked at him instead of Oliver Reed. (That's the official explanation, anyway. They probably just didn't want to have to put up with Oliver Reed when he was drunk, which was all the time.) They haven't really cast anyone who was a known movie star beforehand, though. They weren't totally unknown quantities (other than Lazenby) but I think the biggest name pre-Bond actor was Roger Moore, and he was mainly known as a TV actor. I'm not sure who the favourites are at the moment; the bookies liked James Norton, who was the star of a TV miniseries called McMafia which I haven't seen but have heard was really underwhelming. If they break with tradition and go for an established star, I reckon it'd most likely be Tom Hardy or maybe Henry Cavill.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:26
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They don't even have a director or script for the next movie, I imagine they're going to be focused more on that and they'll worry about casting in 2020.
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Based on the last three or so Bond films having a finished script and vision is a unecessary
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm not sure who the favourites are at the moment; the bookies liked James Norton, who was the star of a TV miniseries called McMafia which I haven't seen but have heard was really underwhelming. If they break with tradition and go for an established star, I reckon it'd most likely be Tom Hardy or maybe Henry Cavill. It's going to be the Poldark dude so they can get all ladies back on board with Bond.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's always been that way, to one degree or another. Cubby Broccoli toyed with the idea of casting Oliver Reed for On Her Majesty's Secret Service but ultimately decided against it because Reed already had an image, he was already a star on the rise (he'd been in Oliver! the previous year, for instance) and if they put him in a James Bond movie, they'd have had to try and overcome that image so people would see James Bond when they looked at him instead of Oliver Reed. (That's the official explanation, anyway. They probably just didn't want to have to put up with Oliver Reed when he was drunk, which was all the time.) Wasn't Brosnan well known? I thought Remington Steele was a huge hit
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Aces High posted:Wasn't Brosnan well known? I thought Remington Steele was a huge hit Yeah, Remington Steele made him a star; Brosnan was the original choice to replace Roger Moore but then NBC renewed the show for another year so he couldn't get out of his contract.
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Basebf555 posted:Elba is too old now as well, the time to cast him came and went. He'd be pushing 50 by the time his first Bond was released. Ian Fleming would roll in his grave if they cast a black Bond and he'd probably turn inside out if it was a woman. I don't see how you make Bond a woman without fundamentally altering the character, who is a "sexist misogynist dinosaur", at which point why not make a new character instead? Cacator fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Mar 13, 2018 |
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Timby posted:Yeah, Remington Steele made him a star; Brosnan was the original choice to replace Roger Moore but then NBC renewed the show for another year so he couldn't get out of his contract. Which led to like 5 years of a wait before he could accept again. But also is probably what gave us his classic performance in Mrs. Doubtfire.
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Wheat Loaf posted:You know, I was sold on Idris Elba as Bond for a long time, but I think I've gone off him a bit lately because although he would be good, I feel like he'd be too similar to Craig (and partly because I'm a bit worn out on how he seems to be the only black British actor the Internet has ever heard of and fantasy cast him for everything). If you're going to have a black actor as James Bond, I think my first choice now would be David Oyelowo or Colin Salmon (though he might be too old). colin salmon would rule because everyone would be like "oh hey robinson, congrats on the new code name"
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Barudak posted:Based on the last three or so Bond films having a finished script and vision is a unecessary Since Cubby Broccoli died, and more so than ever in the Craig era, it feels like too many people get to put ingredients into the blender, so it ends up with a bunch of fingertips mixed in.
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Cacator posted:at which point why not make a new character instead?
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Atomic Blonde was sort of like a female James Bond, inasmuch as Charlize Theron played a morally ambiguous spy who drank a lot and also got to shag Sophia Boutella in that movie.  (Though I thought Atomic Blonde was more like a John le Carré spy thriller with a bit more action compared to other recent Le Carre adaptations than a James Bond/Mission: Impossible spy action movie.)
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Mar 13, 2018 14:32
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Cacator posted:Ian Fleming would roll in his grave if they cast a black Bond and he'd probably turn inside out if it was a woman. I don't see how you make Bond a woman without fundamentally altering the character, who is a "sexist misogynist dinosaur", at which point why not make a new character instead? Because Bond means something. It's a legacy character at this point, and it has a very established cultural footprint to use as a launching point. So gently caress it, change the character, who cares. Let the character be something different for a while, not sure I see what the big deal would be. Atomic Blonde is definitely a great Bond-like character but a movie like that will never get the press and international attention as an actual female Bond would. Also, who gives a poo poo if Ian Fleming would turn in his grave. gently caress him if he'd have a problem with a non-white male Bond.
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Mar 13, 2018 14:36
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Sure, have you read those James Bond novels? They're great wee thrillers, but you have to hold your nose a bit when you get to the part in Goldfinger where Bond muses about how much he hates Koreans etc.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sure, have you read those James Bond novels? They're great wee thrillers, but you have to hold your nose a bit when you get to the part in Goldfinger where Bond muses about how much he hates Koreans etc.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Atomic Blonde was sort of like a female James Bond, inasmuch as Charlize Theron played a morally ambiguous spy who drank a lot and also got to shag Sophia Boutella in that movie. Agreed but don't think it could be a franchise. It basically was what if Bond was a woman instead of something new like mission impossible which was a really good spy action in the American tradition which separated it from Bond and a Le Carre thriller.
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Electronico6 posted:Taylor Swift of all things. Bond folk don't want an actor who thinks is bigger than the role, and everything about the Swift and Hiddleston romance was a major publicity stunt circus, so off the list he went. Oh right... So petty bullshit that no one cares about.
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Payndz posted:Ian Fleming was a ghastly Etonian imperialist and sadist who happened to be a decent thriller writer with the good fortune of catching the zeitgeist. By the way (and I'm sorry that this has nothing whatsoever to do with your post), I don't suppose you'd have the link to your Department S blog close to hand?
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Wheat Loaf posted:By the way (and I'm sorry that this has nothing whatsoever to do with your post), I don't suppose you'd have the link to your Department S blog close to hand? On an actual Bond note, I was in Venice last year and looked for the spot where Roger Moore drove his hover-gondola out of the water and up into St Mark's Square. Sad to report, it's physically impossible - there are steps running up the quayside, but no ramps (and on a re-viewing I realised just how carefully they framed the shot so you couldn't really see what was underneath the boat; they built a ramp for it). A Roger Moore Bond movie lied to me! I feel like part of my childhood has been murdered...
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Growing up, I've watched Bond movies as they came out (starting with TWINE), but I missed Casino Royale. I want to watch the older ones, though I'm a bit overwhelmed with the volume of movies. What movie had the Toyota 2000GT? That bit has quite fascinated me as it seemed to have changed the minds of people around the world with regards to the Japanese automobile industry at the time.
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Schneider Heim posted:What movie had the Toyota 2000GT? That bit has quite fascinated me as it seemed to have changed the minds of people around the world with regards to the Japanese automobile industry at the time. You Only Live Twice.
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one of my favorite James Bond things is the fact that Roald Dahl was friends with Ian Fleming so he wrote the screenplays for You Only Live Twice and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
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Wheat Loaf posted:"For Your Eyes Only" is a good song except it needed a singer with a stronger voice than Sheena Easton to sing it. They should've got Shirley Bassey to sing that one instead of "Moonraker" (which I think is the least of the three she did for the series). BIll Conti was going to get Donna Summer to sign it, originally. That would have been something. (Although I like Sheena Easton myself.)
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Alternate Bond title songs can be a fun rabbit hole to go down as a lot of the time they come off as completely inappropriate (Johnny Cash? Alice Cooper? Ace of Base!) with the notable exception of Spectre which is far superior to the one they ended up using.
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