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Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

exquisite tea posted:

I caught Goldeneye a couple years ago on TV and it still holds up imho. The opening sequence leading up to the runway stunt is still insane, the script isn't too terrible, and most importantly it does not waste the viewer's time, which is a rarity in Bond films.

It does have the most hilariously air-conditioner-cool-beats 90's remix of the Bond theme imaginable, though.

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Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


What is meant by "air conditioner"?

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Super cool, my dude.

The D in Detroit
Oct 13, 2012

The trailer is pretty good too.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do





it did not really click until this thread that Graeme Norgate went to a lot of effort to emulate the style of Eric Serra's score for the game. Rare always seemed to get the right people for their games

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Aces High posted:

it did not really click until this thread that Graeme Norgate went to a lot of effort to emulate the style of Eric Serra's score for the game. Rare always seemed to get the right people for their games

Yeah, it's actually really impressive. It's kind of rote to praise Goldeneye 64 in this day in age, but it really was that great of a game.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

I really wish Martin Campbell would make another Bond. I mean, not as much as I want Villeneuve to make one, but close.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I think my mass effect is broken
I'd like to see what someone like Kathryn Bigelow, or an up-and-coming director like Roseanne Liang could make of a Bond film.


Payndz posted:

I thought Silva's Joker-style super-mega-hyper-masterminding was bullshit, and Spectre doubled down on it by adding a layer of ultra-masterminding on top. Yeah, Blofeld is a smart guy, but don't have him predicting Bond's actions to the micron from the flap of a butterfly's wing on the other side of the world twenty years earlier.

I also felt like Skyfall was a great commentary on the Bond franchise's relevance in an age where action film franchises were being increasingly dominated by superhero films (the golden standard at the time, of course, being The Dark Knight - it arguably still is, to be honest), like it was saying "gently caress your Batmans and Iron Mans, I'm still relevant, goddamnit!"

I particularly love the scene where Q and Bond have a discussion at the art gallery about a painting of the old battleship being hauled away for scrap.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Mar 22, 2018

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


Vagabundo posted:




I also felt like Skyfall was a great commentary on the Bond franchise's relevance in an age where action film franchises were being increasingly dominated by superhero films (the golden standard at the time, of course, being The Dark Knight - it arguably still is, to be honest), like it was saying "gently caress your Batmans and Iron Mans, I'm still relevant, goddamnit!"

I particularly love the scene where Q and Bond have a discussion at the art gallery about a painting of the old battleship being hauled away for scrap.

The problem is this has been the commentary of every bond film since at least Goldeneye. With no payoff.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Baron Porkface posted:

The problem is this has been the commentary of every bond film since at least Goldeneye. With no payoff.

Again the whole problem isn't the character's relevance, is that the UK has no real standing in major world politics and intrigue. Russian government kills a bunch of former soviet/Russian spies in downtown London with gas and all the Brits do is not let the prince go see the world cup. :sad:

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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It happens a lot because almost every modern Bond movie is a response to the last one.

QoS got a middling response and Skyfall responded to that. Can Bond exist in a world where half the cool poo poo that made Bond Bond is what everyone movie has now? If you do it just right, yes.

Then they hosed it up with Spectre. This last one will be about making amends in some way.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Baron Porkface posted:

The problem is this has been the commentary of every bond film since at least Goldeneye. With no payoff.

casino royale and quantum did their own thing and were the last really strong bond movies because of it

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


R. Guyovich posted:

casino royale and quantum did their own thing and were the last really strong bond movies because of it

They were part of the M gets fired for being too old fashioned and cavalier arc.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
The original teaser. I thought this about as perfect a reintroduction to Bond after a gap of several years as you could get; the full trailer had an ultra-cheesy voiceover and gave way too much away.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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It's weird that it says "own yourself because no one else here will save you" when James Bond has always constantly been saved by his girls when he loses fights

Maybe they stopped doing that in the Craig movies though, I never watched any of them

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

That was propably the most 90's trailer there is.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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Fish of hemp posted:

That was propably the most 90's trailer there is.

I'd say the most early-90s trailer is Super Mario Bros, and the most overall 90s trailer is Jumanji

Violator
May 15, 2003


Jeb! Repetition posted:

It's weird that it says "own yourself because no one else here will save you" when James Bond has always constantly been saved by his girls when he loses fights

Maybe they stopped doing that in the Craig movies though, I never watched any of them

Nope, a woman saves his life I think in each Craig movie. He’s brought back from the dead at least once by a woman.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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Watched Skyfall for the first time last night and it was pretty good, even if it lasted way too long and got more into James Bond's past than I would have liked, and it was hard to tell what was possible because the bad guy was basically omnipotent when computers were present, and didn't explain things that could have had interesting explanations (like how Bond survived at the beginning or how the bad guy kept getting all those resources and henchmen after his base was taken)

Now I'm watching Spectre and I'm a little annoyed with how long this continuous shot at the beginning is lasting. IMO long takes are like guitar solos where they don't actually make the movie/song better but certain people cum instantly when they experience them

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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Are we sure JB is the good guy when he's beating up the pilot of a helicopter over a dense crowd of people

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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This opening song is bad even by the extremely low standards of 007 opening songs

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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Lol replacing secret agents with drones

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I think my mass effect is broken

Jeb! Repetition posted:

This opening song is bad even by the extremely low standards of 007 opening songs

I pretty much disengaged with the film because of that song and it never really recovered for me. It keeps building towards something, only to peter off, and amounts to nothing. Like, how can a Bond theme song be so loving boring?

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Jeb! Repetition posted:

This opening song is bad even by the extremely low standards of 007 opening songs

We need an official recut that inserts this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4mIWoLg69Y&t=45s

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

The song's better with a female vocalist.

https://youtu.be/lSgQNpZoiqg

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
Best unused Bond theme: https://youtu.be/h6CoNUE5Zho

(From the director of Attack The Block.)

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Jeb! Repetition posted:

It's weird that it says "own yourself because no one else here will save you" when James Bond has always constantly been saved by his girls when he loses fights

Maybe they stopped doing that in the Craig movies though, I never watched any of them

It's "arm yourself."

Also, the lyrics to Bond theme songs are almost never literal nor do they apply to the movie.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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Timby posted:

It's "arm yourself."

Also, the lyrics to Bond theme songs are almost never literal nor do they apply to the movie.
I got the CD with all of them up to Casino in my car and listen to it practically every other drive. It blew my mind when after like half a year I realized that Thunderball (the song) is not about the villain.

"He looks at this world, and wants it all,
So he strikes, like Thunderball."

"He knows the meaning of success."
His needs are more, so he gives less.
They call him the winner who takes all.
And he strikes, like Thunderball."

"Any woman he wants, he'll get.
He will break any heart without regret."

"His days of asking are all gone."

Only the start:

"He always runs while others walk.
He acts while other men just talk."

And the end:

"His fight goes on and on and on.
But he thinks that the fight is worth it all.
So he strikes like Thunderball."

Make it super clear who the song is about because they're pretty positive by modern standards. The rest is either sociopathic or rapey as hell. I still like the song though!

Also, TWINE is absolutely perfect because it is about the villain (practically sung by her) but you wouldn't realize it until after you watched the movie. It's also really, really good. Much like the movie, fight me.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




tWiNE has a loving amazing theme and a++ villain.

but it also has denise richards as a nuclear physicist so

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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If you want to know what I really think about TWINE, there's three posts by me about it linked in the OP of the last Bond thread.

(I went a little overboard)

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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Timby posted:

It's "arm yourself."

Also, the lyrics to Bond theme songs are almost never literal nor do they apply to the movie.

The best song, Goldfinger, is literal and applies to the movie

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

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Jeb! Repetition posted:

This opening song is bad even by the extremely low standards of 007 opening songs

Amazingly, the only James Bond song that was a number-one single in the UK (the others that came closest were "A View to a Kill" and "Skyfall" which both got stuck at number two).

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Jeb! Repetition posted:

The best song, Goldfinger

Nah.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Both Skyfall and You Know My Name are better than almost every pre-Craig theme. Bond themes are loving terrible overall.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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Then what is

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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My personal favorite is The Living Daylights, which I adore so much that I bought a best of A-ha CD, as the only other song by them I knew before is Take On Me and that's a good song.

Surprise everything else they ever did is loving garbage. Oh well, it was 2€.

My second fave is Surrender, and I checked out kd lang and I didn't find a better song in her repertoire either. Same with Garbage. Something about typical Bond instrumentation just does it for me, I guess!


EDIT: vvvv yes it is, but I like TWINE more. Come to think of it, I bought a Garbage album at the same used CD shop where I also got the A-ha one...

Simply Simon fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Mar 24, 2018

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Simply Simon posted:

Same with Garbage.

The Garbage song used in the MGSV trailer is really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k4os5vzyag

e: Jesus that trailer came out five years ago. The times they are a-changin'.

stev fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Mar 24, 2018

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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My actual favorite song You Know My Name but my favorite visuals are Goldeneye's

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Steve2911 posted:

Both Skyfall and You Know My Name are better than almost every pre-Craig theme. Bond themes are loving terrible overall.

Terrible opinion. All of Connery's movies have great songs, Roger Moore had Wings and Duran Duran, etc. There are a few stinkers, and they're basically all love ballads.

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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

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I got kind of bored watching Spectre after an hour and a half and haven't been fully paying attention as it plays on my second monitor and now I don't know why anything's happening

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