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DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.


Bad Seafood posted:

I can't speak to Liam's original intentions for the character, but so long as Caleb's backstory remains unexplored on-air, we can assume it's subject to change - as is anything that isn't explicitly stated. We know he was destitute for awhile, that he runs cons with Nott in order to make ends meet, so it could just be a product of his circumstance, but even when landed with money he makes an effort to maintain his filthiness. He declines having his clothes cleaned, doesn't wash his face (and in fact purposefully dirties it), and tries to find several ways to sneak into the restricted, ritzy part of town while refusing to opt for the easy solution of simply dressing nicer (at someone else's expense, even). It's mostly played for a joke, but when Pumat Sol cleans up Caleb with a spell, Nott freaks out and demands to know what's going on, which suggests she's never seen him cleaned up in their entire time knowing each other.

The man pursues filth. He wants to be dirty, and my quiet speculation tells me the reason is either heartbreaking or uncomfortable or both.

He pursues filth in both a literal and metaphorical sense too. It was his idea to seek out the porn shop in the Tri-Spire, wanting the filthiest smut he could get his hands on. I'm also guessing he's an abuse case and his reasoning for being so dedicated to Nott is that she reminds him of a friend or sibling that he couldn't protect back then.

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Dragonatrix
Aug 16, 2009

You have offended STRINGIE! You must be punished!


Right, but the smut was explicitly a front for something else. He was just looking for spellbooks and wasn't interested in the porn itself, which is why he gave it away so readily and even disposed of some in a bakery.

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.


Dragonatrix posted:

Right, but the smut was explicitly a front for something else.

It was a front to make Matt to describe Ye Olde Smute Shoppe and a bunch of made up fantasy harlequin romance novels in vivid high detail.

Tusk Love

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Every post-Tiberius shopping trip in Critical Role is at least 70% about making Matt have to come up with new NPCs or world details or situations where two idiots have to hide unconscious guards

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



DeathSandwich posted:

It was a front to make Matt to describe Ye Olde Smute Shoppe and a bunch of made up fantasy harlequin romance novels in vivid high detail.

Tusk Love

"Nothing, Oskar..." was worth everything with that trip.

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.


Regarding the last episode : How hosed are they fighting against a hill giant at level 4, especially now that they are already down some abilities and spells from the previous fights?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Oh thank God there's a thread! Half my gaming group gushed about this show for months and my DM actually ran a one-shot with the Tal'Dorei setting book for his friends who watched the show...and me, because he kept trying to twist my arm to watch it. It wasn't until I got a second monitor at work and put it on as background noise that I truly got into it. I can't watch people play RPG's because I want to be IN them, however this show and cast hooked me once I realized I didn't have to pay attention every single second.

This morning I got to Season 1, Episode 85, A Bard's Lament.

One, THAT scene was so drat intense. For half-an-hour I was absolutely enthralled.

Two, "Little Elf Girl" and the off-camera crew firing Nerf guns after the sessions ends. I'm going to like this character. I'm going to like him a LOT.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Critical Role must be a really fun show for the crew to work on if the playersí relationships are any indication.

The show would be terrible if it was just a job, but the whole gang (except Orion) are really close friends who hang out outside of the show and with other Geek & Sundry cast and crew all the time.

The ren fair videos are always fun. Travis Willingham really is as good as he looks at the hammer game.

Ojjeorago
Sep 21, 2008

I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...


Gary’s Answer

DeathSandwich posted:

Regarding the last episode : How hosed are they fighting against a hill giant at level 4, especially now that they are already down some abilities and spells from the previous fights?

On Talks last night, Marisha and Ashley came up with a pretty good plan to essentially stun lock it using their Sentinel feats so they might be able to pull out a win.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

A hill giant is totally doable if they play smart. It's essentially a big ball of HP with no gimmicks except getting to attack twice.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.



DeathSandwich posted:

Regarding the last episode : How hosed are they fighting against a hill giant at level 4, especially now that they are already down some abilities and spells from the previous fights?

If they were at full health/abilities, they'd be fine. Said enemy is only about CR 4 and has no particularly outstanding abilities. Like Blockhouse said, it's just a meatball of HP. But as hurt and spent as they are? This is gonna be rough without some quality tactics.

DeathSandwich posted:

Has anyone talked about the events of the pre-stream sessions aside from what's been alluded to in-character? I know Jester, Beau and Fjord fought some sort of big snake and saved a dog, but they never really did say what happened to Nott and Caleb the night before they met, nor what Yasha and Molly did aside from "Be in a carnival"

I believe on Talks Machina, Liam and Sam explained they actually had been traveling together for a few months because they broke out of jail together. They have NOT explained what they were in jail for (they met there), although with Nott it's not difficult to guess. Liam even explained how they got out - Caleb set the jail on fire from the inside and Nott picked the locks and they booked it once all the guards had run away from the fire.

Taliesin and Ashley haven't said a single thing about their pre-stream session and I have no idea.

OmniBeer
Jun 5, 2011

This is no time to
remain stagnant!

CuwiKhons posted:

Taliesin and Ashley haven't said a single thing about their pre-stream session and I have no idea.

If I recall, actually, Ashely didn't get a prestream session- hence why she was kinda flustered in her first combat since it was really her first time doing any of her class stuff.

(Also, yesss, just found this thread, a place to discuss this every week.)

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.



That'd make sense honestly. Molly and Yasha were the two characters most unlikely to have a pre-stream session because they were just chilling with the circus and had known each other for two years.

escalator dropdown
Jan 24, 2007

Like all good stories, the second act begins with a call to action and the building of a robot.



CobiWann posted:

This morning I got to Season 1, Episode 85, A Bard's Lament.

One, THAT scene was so drat intense. For half-an-hour I was absolutely enthralled.

Two, "Little Elf Girl" and the off-camera crew firing Nerf guns after the sessions ends. I'm going to like this character. I'm going to like him a LOT.

Everything from the Taryon reveal onward is solid gold in that episode.

Samís performance of Taryon is especially impressive given that, IIRC, he revealed on a Talks Machina session that (due to a miscommunication with Matt) he didnít actually know/expect Taryon to show up until the next week. Heíd obviously built the character, but IIRC he hadnít named Doty yet, etc. Just got tossed into the deep end.

What Iím trying to say is that Emmy Award-winning Sam Riegel is the best.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A Samus doll!
It's soooo cute!


Lipstick Apathy

escalator dropdown posted:

Everything from the Taryon reveal onward is solid gold in that episode.

Samís performance of Taryon is especially impressive given that, IIRC, he revealed on a Talks Machina session that (due to a miscommunication with Matt) he didnít actually know/expect Taryon to show up until the next week. Heíd obviously built the character, but IIRC he hadnít named Doty yet, etc. Just got tossed into the deep end.

What Iím trying to say is that Emmy Award-winning Sam Riegel is the best.


It worked out way better this way, I think.

Granted, I'm still working through backlog, but I watched the reveal and the next episode, and I feel like having that added week break would've burnt a lot of the fun out of it, and they would've lost both the surprise and the energy of the turn.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.



Teddybear posted:

It worked out way better this way, I think.

Granted, I'm still working through backlog, but I watched the reveal and the next episode, and I feel like having that added week break would've burnt a lot of the fun out of it, and they would've lost both the surprise and the energy of the turn.

I agree.

If Matt had let Sam wait a week, it wouldn't have been surprising at all - obviously Sam would have to bring in a new character because he couldn't sit at the table and do nothing indefinitely. Sam having to bust Taryon out in the same episode Scanlan left meant the cast got to be genuinely shocked and still reeling from the emotional whiplash.

Also Taryon is an amazing character and I actually love him more than I love Scanlan.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


CobiWann posted:

Oh thank God there's a thread! Half my gaming group gushed about this show for months and my DM actually ran a one-shot with the Tal'Dorei setting book for his friends who watched the show...and me, because he kept trying to twist my arm to watch it. It wasn't until I got a second monitor at work and put it on as background noise that I truly got into it. I can't watch people play RPG's because I want to be IN them, however this show and cast hooked me once I realized I didn't have to pay attention every single second.

This morning I got to Season 1, Episode 85, A Bard's Lament.

One, THAT scene was so drat intense. For half-an-hour I was absolutely enthralled.

Two, "Little Elf Girl" and the off-camera crew firing Nerf guns after the sessions ends. I'm going to like this character. I'm going to like him a LOT.

As some people discussed in spoilers above, Sam didn't actually know Taryon was debuting that night, and I'm not sure he even had his full sheet prepared, but it's a great bit of sleight of hand.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

It says a lot about how fantastic the backhalf of episode 85 is when it manages to completely overshadow the Grog vs Groon fight.

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

Hope is a mistake


I just made it to the Geralt cosplay episode.

E: SCANLAN RAMBO

I get to play PoE2 today! I think I'm going to make Vax my watcher, and bring Grog, Percy, Scanlan, Vex. I think you can only have a party of 5.

Firstborn fucked around with this message at May 10, 2018 around 11:52

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

"If we had known you had Daddy issues we would have accepted you from the very start!"

It's so weird to see Sam go from confident Scanlan to an insecure character...or IS he insecure...

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."


CobiWann posted:

"If we had known you had Daddy issues we would have accepted you from the very start!"

It's so weird to see Sam go from confident Scanlan to an insecure character...or IS he insecure...

no he is

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


If you can catch it last tuesday's talks had me laughing more than any other talks machina I've ever watched, so it's worth checking out.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


CobiWann posted:

"If we had known you had Daddy issues we would have accepted you from the very start!"

It's so weird to see Sam go from confident Scanlan to an insecure character...or IS he insecure...

"AND HE DOESN'T LIKE THAT I LIKE FANT-*sob*-ASY NOVELS!"

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


Gaz-L posted:

"AND HE DOESN'T LIKE THAT I LIKE FANT-*sob*-ASY NOVELS!"

This is a dark mirror.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.



Droppin' that heavy poo poo tonight.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A Samus doll!
It's soooo cute!


Lipstick Apathy

Liam is fuckin' GOOD at this.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Welcome to Disney XD Everyone!

Teddybear posted:

Liam is fuckin' GOOD at this.

Yeah just uh... Yeah

Also Mollymauk is God

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


Ooh, so many choices and a sweet level up too. I hope the gentleman's offer is equally enticing, and I want them to go that route selfishly because it'd be fun to see how much they're willing to skirt up to truly seedy stuff and it's not really something we saw in campaign 1. I was worried Matt wasn't gonna get that side of things in there and then he snuck it in right under the wire.

Either way they better take advantage of something for making a name there, as attractive as it can be to stay out of things and hit the road it's going to be a harsh reality when they get to the next town.

FlavoFibe
Nov 9, 2015


Liam tugging at my dang heartstrings this campaign.

I feel like if I had just read that backstory somewhere I would've thought it was a little too much, but seeing him act it out really sold me on it, and sold me on Caleb. I just want Nott and Caleb to be okay, more that anyone else

The fight at the beginning really had me on the edge of my seat, also.

Silynt
Sep 21, 2009


Did NOT expect the sleep spell to catch, that thing must have been LOW but Matt hadn't given any of his "it's looking pretty rough" type descriptors. Even without Sleep they probably still would've won given its remaining hp, but it was super clutch when it worked. Adding a Legendary Action to the fight made it loving intense, and the rolls were really falling Matt's way - the crit on Yasha loving HURT!

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

Hope is a mistake


Sometimes DMs do things for dramatic tension. That sleep spell probably shouldn't have took, but the party was mostly down and I think he wanted the party to win.

Legendary Actions are one of the only ways 5E has to adjust the action economy, so it's great for big single unit bosses.

Silynt
Sep 21, 2009


During the fight someone said "it has Legendary actions!?" and Matt's response was "Yea, it's a frenzied solo". Is that something from the DMs Guide, like official rules for buffing an encounter or something like that?

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."


Silynt posted:

During the fight someone said "it has Legendary actions!?" and Matt's response was "Yea, it's a frenzied solo". Is that something from the DMs Guide, like official rules for buffing an encounter or something like that?

It's not something I've ever seen but- it could be in one of the new books but it's not in Xanathars.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Firstborn posted:

Sometimes DMs do things for dramatic tension. That sleep spell probably shouldn't have took, but the party was mostly down and I think he wanted the party to win.

Legendary Actions are one of the only ways 5E has to adjust the action economy, so it's great for big single unit bosses.

It may have been a low DC, but thatís it. While Matt houserules a lot, he plays fair and always lets the dice stand. He apparently had a ton of plans that could have been put into place or went awry depending on dice rolls in the first campaign, including possibilities of TPK or most of the party dying.

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."


chitoryu12 posted:

It may have been a low DC, but thatís it. While Matt houserules a lot, he plays fair and always lets the dice stand. He apparently had a ton of plans that could have been put into place or went awry depending on dice rolls in the first campaign, including possibilities of TPK or most of the party dying.

If it's Sleep that people are talking about, sleep operates using a dice pool rather than a DC. Roll 5d8, that's the number of hitpoints a creature can have left in it and be put to sleep. It's weird because it's one of the few spells that functions like this rather than just a save.

Squinty
Aug 12, 2007


FlavoFibe posted:

Liam tugging at my dang heartstrings this campaign.

I feel like if I had just read that backstory somewhere I would've thought it was a little too much, but seeing him act it out really sold me on it, and sold me on Caleb. I just want Nott and Caleb to be okay, more that anyone else

The fight at the beginning really had me on the edge of my seat, also.

For me, the fake memories bit was where it crossed the line from potentially interesting character drama to bad and dumb soap opera melodrama. It feels like an excuse to make the character as dour and emo as possible, without actually making him responsible for the stuff he feels guilty for.

Silynt
Sep 21, 2009


Sion posted:

If it's Sleep that people are talking about, sleep operates using a dice pool rather than a DC. Roll 5d8, that's the number of hitpoints a creature can have left in it and be put to sleep. It's weird because it's one of the few spells that functions like this rather than just a save.

Liam rolled a 23, so the monster had less than 23 hp left - supported by the damage it took to kill it after it awoke, so I don't think there was any funny business. I'm torn on the after waking attacks - they obviously had positioned themselves to attack as it wakes up, but they didn't explicitly say that. I would have been fine if Matt had allowed the Legendary Action hit before it went down - it wouldn't have changed anything except maybe knowing out Beau after all, the fight itself was already determined at that point.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.



Squinty posted:

For me, the fake memories bit was where it crossed the line from potentially interesting character drama to bad and dumb soap opera melodrama. It feels like an excuse to make the character as dour and emo as possible, without actually making him responsible for the stuff he feels guilty for.

I disagree to be honest. The fake memories make sense because his Headmaster couldn't possibly have expected all three of their sets of parents to actually be traitors. But there's nothing to indicate fake memories were involved in everything else he did. So Caleb still willingly and happily killed a lot of other people. He just couldn't handle killing his own parents.

That said I still don't find him that interesting of a character. His backstory notwithstanding, Caleb in the present is a reticent introvert who tends to go off and do things alone for his own reasons. While that's totally understandable given what we know now, it's a lot less entertaining than other characters. Maybe he'll be much more interesting once we actually start engaging with his backstory, the way Percy was boring in the Underdark until Taliesin got better meds and the Briarwood stuff started.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



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CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.



I don't think he was necessarily wrong to do it but it did demonstrate a weird lack of faith in the others not to metagame.

Unrelated, once spoilers are up on Monday, I'd like to petition the thread title be changed to "I am your god, long may I reign"

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