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eke out
Feb 24, 2013




PetraCore posted:

Are people calling it homophobic because they want Fjord to be in a relationship with a guy?

it's 100% this lol

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Pocky In My Pocket
Jan 27, 2005

Giant robots shouldn't fight!



Fjord/clay is a popular ship my friends

evenworse username
Aug 4, 2006

TRICHER
POUR
GAGNER


Matt's lowkey panicked 'Sayyyy do you want to check out that clearing a bit closer or are you just moving on" resonates with every DM.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



PetraCore posted:

EDIT: And like the one person Fjord has been openly sexual with was not a guy, so I don't know how any of this is homophobic? Are people calling it homophobic because they want Fjord to be in a relationship with a guy? Isn't that just projecting what they want onto him and declaring things problematic because of it? I could absolutely see Fjord being bisexual but it's not exactly canon at this point...

There's a joke on the show Community about how if you slow down the interaction between any two people and play something like Sara Bareilles' 'Gravity' over it anything can look like a budding romance. And fandoms do it like all the time.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~


PetraCore posted:

Changing the subject a bit, I'm not really sure what the homophobic jokes directed towards Fjord are supposed to be, especially because I don't think Fjord has shown very strong attraction towards anyone...?

Is this another comments thing? Cause if there was homophobic jokes in the episode itself, they flew right over my head. That aside, I fell off campaign one for the last few months after finishing the Chroma Conclave stuff, and took about 5 attempts over the last week to get through episode 93; the one where they battle the fiend in Dis, then kill the tiger thing targeting Vax. I finally got back in to the swing of it now though, and man, episode 94 is a loving blast. Pretty much everything after they get to the bar till the morning after is gold, between Tary trying to flirt, Pike and Grog hanging out, Percy spying on Scanlon, Tary recounting his night with Trisha etc. The last part pretty much broke the whole crew.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.



It doesn't bother me when fans ship any random poo poo that makes no sense to me or have opinions about characters that I think are bizarre or baseless. That's just fandom being fandom and it's being going on forever. The problem arises when fans forget that it's just their personal views and start getting upset with the show/book/movie/whatever for not following their ideas. IE, it's cool if you think Fjord is gay (if a little baseless bc Avantika did happen but sure, it's not like closeted gay men have never slept with women) but it crosses a line when you start saying CR is homophobic for not "showing" that Fjord is gay, because in your mind he totally is and therefore any failure to show that is covering it up for some reason. And that's the point that Losebetter and his weird followers are at.

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

I'm becom-, I'm becom-,
I'm becoming
Tana in, Tana in my mind.



OMG Tal this is evil.

e: The Narrative Telephone arms race just escalated and it owns.

Pinwiz11 fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jul 7, 2020

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017





Pocky In My Pocket posted:

Fjord/clay is a popular ship my friends
Yeah and it's good, I'm just wondering what people like losebetter are deciding things are homophobic and 100% specifically targeted at Fjord for.

tsob posted:

Is this another comments thing? Cause if there was homophobic jokes in the episode itself, they flew right over my head. That aside, I fell off campaign one for the last few months after finishing the Chroma Conclave stuff, and took about 5 attempts over the last week to get through episode 93; the one where they battle the fiend in Dis, then kill the tiger thing targeting Vax. I finally got back in to the swing of it now though, and man, episode 94 is a loving blast. Pretty much everything after they get to the bar till the morning after is gold, between Tary trying to flirt, Pike and Grog hanging out, Percy spying on Scanlon, Tary recounting his night with Trisha etc. The last part pretty much broke the whole crew.
No just wondering about uh a lot of the complaints losebetter apparently had being focused around targeted homophobia at Fjord, aka 'ball-eater'.

CuwiKhons posted:

It doesn't bother me when fans ship any random poo poo that makes no sense to me or have opinions about characters that I think are bizarre or baseless. That's just fandom being fandom and it's being going on forever. The problem arises when fans forget that it's just their personal views and start getting upset with the show/book/movie/whatever for not following their ideas. IE, it's cool if you think Fjord is gay (if a little baseless bc Avantika did happen but sure, it's not like closeted gay men have never slept with women) but it crosses a line when you start saying CR is homophobic for not "showing" that Fjord is gay, because in your mind he totally is and therefore any failure to show that is covering it up for some reason. And that's the point that Losebetter and his weird followers are at.
Yeah, this. TBH the Avantika thing was of questionable levels of consent on his part if just because they were terrified of her and trying to make her think they were gung-ho about Uka'toa when they weren't. But my point isn't that it's impossible for Fjord to be gay, rather that it feels weirdly unintentionally homophobic to insist he must be gay?

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.



It's because Losebetter desperately wants to be a victim for attention. Which I hate saying because I feel like some chud shaking their fist and going "those evil SJWs and their victimhood!" But Losebetter genuinely has a reputation for crying big ol' crocodile tears about harassment (some of which was genuine harassment and some of which was just people disagreeing with him) and then turning around and harassing other queer people just because they don't share his opinions. So he comes up with a lengthy list of 'homophobic' things in CR even though most of them are total bullshit (naming a ship 'Balleater' isn't homophobic, it's just a generic sex joke) just so he can have something to cry wolf about.

CuwiKhons fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 7, 2020

TotalHell
Feb 21, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.



CuwiKhons posted:

It's because Losebetter desperately wants to be a victim for attention. Which I hate saying because I feel like some chud shaking their fist and going "those evil SJWs and their victimhood!" But Losebetter genuinely has a reputation for crying big ol' crocodile tears about harassment (some of which was genuine harassment and some of which was just people disagreeing with him) and then turning around and harassing other queer people just because they don't share his opinions. So he comes up with a lengthy list of 'homophobic' things in CR even though most of them are total bullshit (naming a ship 'Balleater' isn't homophobic, it's just a generic sex joke) just so he can have something to cry wolf about.

Yeah, it sucks cuz like 99.9% of “SJW” stuff is wannabe-fascists crying about stuff that is genuinely made for good purposes. But then there’s that 0.01% where people turn social criticism to their own ends. And unfortunately a fandom like CR’s is going to attract a share of the latter since they’re vocal about being welcoming and pushing out chuds.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



CuwiKhons posted:

It's because Losebetter desperately wants to be a victim for attention. Which I hate saying because I feel like some chud shaking their fist and going "those evil SJWs and their victimhood!" But Losebetter genuinely has a reputation for crying big ol' crocodile tears about harassment (some of which was genuine harassment and some of which was just people disagreeing with him) and then turning around and harassing other queer people just because they don't share his opinions. So he comes up with a lengthy list of 'homophobic' things in CR even though most of them are total bullshit (naming a ship 'Balleater' isn't homophobic, it's just a generic sex joke) just so he can have something to cry wolf about.

And at the very least Taliesin is bisexual, so anyone making legitimately homophobic jokes on there would have a big problem even if the entire rest of the cast wasn't already not problematic. Some people just can't help but feel like the world is out to get them.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Also if you wanted something seriously dumb, the TG Industry thread has had their latest "blow-up over nothing" because someone posted a pic of Sam with his green face paint edited to look like blackface and threw a tantrum and the phrase "green blackface" is now unironically being used to defend getting angry about it.

Also, Matt is somehow an evil corporate mastermind for not getting the fandom to cease being lovely to people and also playing D&D at all because they still believe in ethical consumption under capitalism.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

I been ballin' so damn hard I swear I think that I'm Coby


is sending people over there really needed? Who cares. it was silly, but dogpiling literally does nothing.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Dexo posted:

is sending people over there really needed? Who cares. it was silly, but dogpiling literally does nothing.

Why do you assume that I was sending people over there to do a dogpile? Unless you don't want anyone talking about any poo poo on Twitter now in case it incites something.

Pocky In My Pocket
Jan 27, 2005

Giant robots shouldn't fight!



chitoryu12 posted:

Why do you assume that I was sending people over there to do a dogpile? Unless you don't want anyone talking about any poo poo on Twitter now in case it incites something.

P sure he means the mention of the TG thread specifically

Anyway - Tal's story was good, brutal story and the alliteration was always gonna vanish super quickly. Its always funny seeing the last person trying to tell a story they know is incoherrent, which combined with matts lore-brain poking him as well just made this a complete clusterfuck

CherryCat
Feb 21, 2011

That's a strawberry.



College Slice

If When the Divine Gate comes down I definitely wanna see the Archeart ride in on their cart.

Wyld Karde
Mar 18, 2013

She's so ~dreamy~


Just started watching this week's Narrative Telephone and I want to take a moment to say "gently caress you, Taliesin Jaffe", but in an affectionate kind of way.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.






Stop acknowledging the nutter and just realise sometimes its not the case you have to hear all sides when one is saying 2 plus 2 is five. They're a toxic fanboy who thinks they are owed.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003



Dexo posted:

is sending people over there really needed? Who cares. it was silly, but dogpiling literally does nothing.
Because it was silly in a way that reminds me why I try to avoid getting too seriously into TTRPGs, and I've been playing them in some form since I was a teenager in the late 90s.

I just don't post about them much, if at all

Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jul 8, 2020

Drowning Rabbit
Oct 28, 2003

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

I really dislike the knee jerk reactions to/from this fandom. CR tries it's best to please everyone, and the problem with that is that it's impossible. Someone out there is going to be hurt by something that may even be the most innocent comment that is meant to be kind hearted.

I personally never saw all the drama until the blow up about the Wendy's Ad ( It was a one shot, that was funny, but it was just a long rear end ad promo from Sam, and people seem to love those ), and poo poo like this just flabbergasts me. Every fandom will have some bad seeds, vocal ones at that, but every Critter I've met in real life has been very kind, for the most part. Some have definitely been overly judgmental and controlling, but I can easily just no interact with them. I prefer to keep it that way.

By any means, non-sequitur aside, I noticed something that I'm sure has been posted before, but some may have missed it like I had. I pulled up the VoD for last nights Narrative Telephone, and looking at the lower third's for everyone in the intro, I saw that Travis is actually listed as "Mr. Laura Bailey" and it made me chuckle.

Having said that, I'm sure that there is someone in the fandom screaming bloody murder about a joke the cast liked.

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redbrouw
Nov 14, 2018

Nobody cared who I was until I became the cat.


Funny people get 1 out of 5 jokes to hit on the fly.

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