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Mylan posted:Call me old but I don't understand the point of streamer chats. For the larger ones it's just a loving deluge of comments and emoticons. It's like if someone were to transcribe all the conversations in an auditorium in real time. How does anyone actually read that poo poo? I'm not exaggerating when I say it's kinda like in the Matrix. If you want to pick out single messages to read, good luck. But a whole bunch of people notice and post the same poo poo and if you kinda unfocus when you look at it you can get more of a vibe of what chat is saying even though you aren't reading any particular message. That said, I still keep it closed most of the time when I watch streams.
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Abisteen posted:I'm not exaggerating when I say it's kinda like in the Matrix. If you want to pick out single messages to read, good luck. But a whole bunch of people notice and post the same poo poo and if you kinda unfocus when you look at it you can get more of a vibe of what chat is saying even though you aren't reading any particular message. I keep it open for smaller (say sub 200) viewer streams. Chat usually moves slow enough that you can have conversations with other viewers or the streamer themselves. For larger streams I keep it closed, unless it’s one of the ones that is basically emote only. That’s a decent option if you want to let people react without having to overly worry about people being gross.
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Feb 26, 2021 19:51
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yeah there are some streams where you can actually talk to regulars and have a nice time critical role is not one
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Feb 26, 2021 20:10
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DeathSandwich posted:One of the things I like about Cyberpunk 2020/RED is that they actually have grapple rules that work for sneaking up on someone and putting them in a sleeper hold to knock them out. With D&D it's like "Techinically it's just a grapple and the damage you do is just punching them in the back of the head" and the like. It's not a system that really works with aggressive stealth But I hope she invests in some good poisons and paralytics after this to avoid the old acid attack in the future, because that was grim.
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Feb 26, 2021 20:23
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I think Marisha was just in the mood to kill a guard, since throwing him in a sleeper hold or punching him a lot while he was sleeping seems pretty foolproof (though I admit in the moment her panic to me seemed like "I totally forgot nonlethal was an option, WTF do I do" to me). Even without d&d being particularly non-lethal stealth friendly, throw 4 attacks at him while he's sleeping, stun him, and indicate to your DM that you're trying to attack as silently as possible. Open up with a grapple to cover their mouth for extra stealthiness.
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Feb 26, 2021 20:47
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PetraCore posted:I seriously think she might have done better just beating him to death in a grapple, since I don't think the guards had a ton of hp, but she was working with a limited toolset and focusing on not raising the alarm. Fine. I think once you've grappled someone, shoved acid in their mouth and broken their neck the DM should just rule it's over. That was seriously loving grim. I mean, sure D&D doesn't handle it well but there's gotta be someway he could DM fiat that poo poo rather than dragging it out just because "there isn't technically a rule for it". I mean, I've gotten burned by acid before. An acid that can do 1d6 points of damage a turn or something getting shoved into your throat means an excruciatingly painful death, but not one that takes 5 minutes. Saying it dissolved his neck after a couple turns and his head just popped off would have been less traumatizing.
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seaborgium posted:I think once you've grappled someone, shoved acid in their mouth and broken their neck the DM should just rule it's over. That was seriously loving grim. I mean, sure D&D doesn't handle it well but there's gotta be someway he could DM fiat that poo poo rather than dragging it out just because "there isn't technically a rule for it". I think at that point Matt was leaning into the horror movie aesthetic that everyone at the table had inadvertently unleashed.
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Feb 26, 2021 21:11
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So like, after that shitshow I only see a few possible outcomes: 1) The M9 either decide to just take it on the lam and manage to get away, or kill Trent and then book it shortly thereafter. They're now almost certainly persona non grata in the empire, but that's a problem for after they save the world up in Aeor. 2) A significant portion of the M9 dies permanently or is captured in a way that takes them out of the game, at least for a while. If this happens, I think the game becomes "Okay, gently caress, how do we rescue our friends and/or find new ones to go save the world in Aeor, then go murderize Trent" 3) They end up making a deal with Trent, which sets up the next arc after Aeor. Maybe they can talk Trent into helping them turn Lucian into chunky salsa, either himself or by sending some Volstrucker with them, in exchange for (??? something loving bad) afterwards. But no matter what happens, they can't stay and deal with this now, or else halfway through whatever they're doing, a chunk of a pre-Calamity city full of aberrations is going to fall out of the sky.
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Feb 26, 2021 22:29
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I think Astrid wants them to kill Trent but not be in a position to reap political power from it, which makes sense. Dunno if Trent set up the trap, but that also makes sense, as it leaves Astrid in a position where she's not in trouble if they fail to kill Trent. Mostly I think you have to interpret all her actions through the lens of loving Caleb very much... but then again, she also loved her parents. She's not in a position where positive emotions conquer any doubts or obstacles. She probably was never in that position. She has her hopes and desires, but above them she has self-preservation, fear, and layers of rationalizations.
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Feb 26, 2021 22:40
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Marisha has also accidentally done horribly gruesome kills before. Remember Keyleth and Han-Solo-ing a duergar in lava and then "shhh"-ing him? I think she tends towards a sort of comic ultraviolence and then cringing when she thinks about it; it's probably just one of those D&Disms. If anything it's worse with casters; there's really not a nice, dignified or even quick way to kill people with a lot of spells if you actually apply dramatic weight instead of just seeing it as HP to deplete. Acid arrow, burning hands, lightning bolt...even the venerable fireball is actually pretty drat horrendous! Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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Feb 26, 2021 23:58
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eke out posted:yeah there are some streams where you can actually talk to regulars and have a nice time Critical Role has always had a.... special chat. Them removing it from screen in campaign 1 when they did had little to do with how fast it was moving.
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Feb 27, 2021 01:29
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TotalHell posted:It isn’t I don’t think? It would probably cut down on the amount of nonsense, but every session there seems to be a shocking number of people who watch and subscribe to CR and then appear to have nothing but complaints in chat/on Reddit.
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Feb 27, 2021 06:27
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I don't get why Trent got to freebie counterspell without Caleb getting a chance to counter-counter. It'd be kind of lame if it was set up that Trent got to sneak up on them without any roll or anything.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:38
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I figured there was some kind of ward in that room that prevented them teleporting in or out, and that someone (I think it was Travis?) just put it down to counterspell. If he did counterspell though, he got the drop on them and would have had a free action because of surprise presumably.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:41
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It wasn't a counterspell, Matt said at the end of the stream that the blue crystals that Sam grabbed were the cause of the recall failing.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:48
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Mylan posted:It wasn't a counterspell, Matt said at the end of the stream that the blue crystals that Sam grabbed were the cause of the recall failing. I believe that was Sam's extra time to get the crystals meant Trent had time to arrive.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:52
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Feb 28, 2021 01:58
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I'm fairly sure Matt rolled, presumably for the Counterspell, right before he announced that the Word of Recall failed. As to why Caleb didn't get a chance to counter, maybe it's the surprise, maybe he couldn't see Trent in the darkness.
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Feb 28, 2021 12:18
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If a creature is Hidden or Invisible, you can't counter-spell them (unless you spot them with a high enough passive perception or can see through invisibility), IIRC.
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So, in episode 77, they talk about loving with the Cerberus Assembly, and specifically Trent Ikithon. Caleb warns them that they would be breaking into the residence of one of the most powerful people in the Empire, and Jester says "yes but does he have access to these badass PAINTS?!" So, next episode, Jester is going to splash Trent with the paint without any purpose and it's gonna gently caress with him somehow. Maybe. God, this next episode better be insane.
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Mar 1, 2021 11:12
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Yeah, this was just an extremely bad hasty plan. I mean, Caleb didn't even ask Astrid "are there any guards"? That seems like it would be important information to know. They were completely unprepared for guards, which is strange for a place known to be guarded. There were just too many unknowns for this to be worth the risk. They also forgot that the anti-scrying amulets require attunement, so everyone would need to give up something they're attuned to now. Even if they had been able to recall, they were kinda hosed, because that guard would remember the BLUE TIEFLING woman. It wouldn't have been hard to figure out who did it with him around.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Yeah, this was just an extremely bad hasty plan. Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Trent is a schemer. He also knows that corpses don’t keep the dead people from potentially coming back. And he has three members of the M9 inside a complex designed to keep prisoners. The only way he kills them is if they force him to. The big X factor is whether the rest of the group can get into place to intervene.
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As much as people were raging at Marisha for splitting up to go onto the tower, it's basically the only reason Outie group gets to stick around without being really blatant metagaming. I still think Caleb, Veth, and Jester can get out with Jester still having 1 more Word of Recall and Caleb + Nott on Counterspell/Globe of Invulnerability/Distracting duty.
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Antifa Spacemarine posted:As much as people were raging at Marisha for splitting up to go onto the tower, it's basically the only reason Outie group gets to stick around without being really blatant metagaming. I still think Caleb, Veth, and Jester can get out with Jester still having 1 more Word of Recall and Caleb + Nott on Counterspell/Globe of Invulnerability/Distracting duty. They aren't going to escape their way out of that mess. They've been caught and identified and there are seven gruesomely killed bodies. Any successful escape means never being able to return to the empire ever again. The only card they have to play is the Nonagon and revealing the eyes on Caleb, but the seven dead bodies means that they're starting out with a poisoned well and no credibility.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Yeah, this was just an extremely bad hasty plan. I mean, Caleb didn't even ask Astrid "are there any guards"? That seems like it would be important information to know. They were completely unprepared for guards, which is strange for a place known to be guarded. I'll take hasty and bad over analysis paralysis. It was a refreshing change of pace and disasters are more likely to create interesting situations. Heists gone wrong gave us this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W723E1ofhcE&t=13312s
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You know, I think part of the problem is that Astrid just overestimated how good they were going to be at this. Trent wasn't exactly down in the goal area, if they'd caused less of a disturbance they'd never have crossed paths with him. Astrid was looking at Caleb, remembering his black ops training days, looking at the M9, remembering they'd helped get a peace treaty drawn up and interrupting an extremely dangerous cult launching a ritual that could have decimated Rexxentrum as Tharizdun's influence leaked through stronger than ever, and went, yeah, they can handle this. She was wrong. They don't do subtle super well, although I think they're better at it then Vox Machina.
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PetraCore posted:You know, I think part of the problem is that Astrid just overestimated how good they were going to be at this. Trent wasn't exactly down in the goal area, if they'd caused less of a disturbance they'd never have crossed paths with him. Astrid was looking at Caleb, remembering his black ops training days, looking at the M9, remembering they'd helped get a peace treaty drawn up and interrupting an extremely dangerous cult launching a ritual that could have decimated Rexxentrum as Tharizdun's influence leaked through stronger than ever, and went, yeah, they can handle this. She wanted to help Caleb get what he wanted, but she also wanted to accelerate the impending Trent/Caleb confrontation and possibly to throw a huge monkey-wrench into the Cerberus Assembly's stability, taking advantage of the twin pressures of the investigation and Vess' death. Even if Trent's corpse doesn't turn up in the aftermath, the odds that he wouldn't be able to determine that Caleb was behind the heist seem vanishingly small, and he's an evil paranoid archmage. What would you conclude if a group of people like the Mighty Nine stole enough amulets to prevent you from observing them? For that matter, how might other members of the Assembly react if the Mighty Nine go entirely off-grid? Even if they aren't able to place them in Aeor alongside Essek, who multiple Assembly members know quite well already? The odds of Caleb not getting destructive in this raid were approximately 0%, IMO. I don't think Astrid wants Caleb dead, but she certainly has to expect he'd be identified as the culprit.
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Narsham posted:She wanted to help Caleb get what he wanted, but she also wanted to accelerate the impending Trent/Caleb confrontation and possibly to throw a huge monkey-wrench into the Cerberus Assembly's stability, taking advantage of the twin pressures of the investigation and Vess' death. Even if Trent's corpse doesn't turn up in the aftermath, the odds that he wouldn't be able to determine that Caleb was behind the heist seem vanishingly small, and he's an evil paranoid archmage. What would you conclude if a group of people like the Mighty Nine stole enough amulets to prevent you from observing them? EDIT: Like, if nothing else, we know she wants political power more than Caleb does, but Caleb is the 'golden child' who can do more magically, so having him go off the grid and have to ditch the Empire also works out by eliminating a potential rival in such a way that Caleb still owes her a favor for it and she doesn't feel like complete poo poo.
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Senjuro posted:I'll take hasty and bad over analysis paralysis. It was a refreshing change of pace and disasters are more likely to create interesting situations. There are almost always more choices in-between "paralysis" and "murder". It is not a binary, "either-or", situation. "That" got the M9 banned from Darktow. What they did the last episode... it wasn't some bandits in the wilds, it wasn't some lawless outlaw land like Darktow or Shadycreek Run, it was a major installation of a very powerful organization who knows how to find and track people, and their families. It's a group which practically IS the Dwendalian empire. There is a difference in the amount of power which can be brought against the M9 and their families/friends. They do not seem to have considered that. Let's hope Matt figures out a way to give the party a lifeline out of their own mess.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:There are almost always more choices in-between "paralysis" and "murder". It is not a binary, "either-or", situation. Basically I agree, but the stress of the two investigations means this is probably the weakest the Assembly has been in a while, but if Trent is at all smart he's going to try to figure out how to use the M9 to handle the investigation, either by throwing them to the King as the culprits or making them do really bad stuff to take the heat off, so it's also the worst time to pull this level of shenanigans for something that would be a massive boon but probably isn't strictly necessary. Like, being scryed on all the time by Lucien is annoying and inconvenient but not impossible to handle, especially with Fjord's See Invisibility and someone being attuned to one of the necklaces you can basically wave at the orb to dispell it. Ultimately I think this is so frustrating because the cost-benefit of this was already off and now they're in huge trouble when they need to be focused on stopping the Tomb Takers, but at the same time that at least makes for an interesting story and I'm dying to see what happens Thursday.
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IMO the last episode ruled because the best part of D&D is getting absolutely in the poo poo and having incredible moments of triumph and tragedy result from that. Also if you don’t enjoy Caleb Vadering his way through a complex, I don’t even know what to say to you.
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TotalHell posted:IMO the last episode ruled because the best part of D&D is getting absolutely in the poo poo and having incredible moments of triumph and tragedy result from that. You do have to wonder if Caleb was putting black holes on the ceiling just to be flashy or if he thought that it would be stealthier somehow. Like, I don't know if he counted on the spell ending and the armored bodies falling and clanking around or if he thought there would be a bunch of dead bodies stuck on the ceiling like something out of The Blob.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:There are almost always more choices in-between "paralysis" and "murder". It is not a binary, "either-or", situation.
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AngryBooch posted:You do have to wonder if Caleb was putting black holes on the ceiling just to be flashy or if he thought that it would be stealthier somehow. Like, I don't know if he counted on the spell ending and the armored bodies falling and clanking around or if he thought there would be a bunch of dead bodies stuck on the ceiling like something out of The Blob. Now that I've listened to the full ep I'm pretty sure they'd have been fine loving up if there had been less noise and bustle involved, but that little 'earthquake' absolutely killed their stealth and got Trent heading over, and Fjord's attempt at a distraction made Trent head over much faster. They were literally going to be seconds away from the innie team getting out.
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AngryBooch posted:You do have to wonder if Caleb was putting black holes on the ceiling just to be flashy or if he thought that it would be stealthier somehow. Like, I don't know if he counted on the spell ending and the armored bodies falling and clanking around or if he thought there would be a bunch of dead bodies stuck on the ceiling like something out of The Blob. The theory I'm hearing passed around is that Caleb really wants Trent to know he can use Xhorhasian magic, which was the whole reason for why Trent set aside a local mental hospital for his gross Wizard Mengele experiments
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PetraCore posted:Now that I've listened to the full ep I'm pretty sure they'd have been fine loving up if there had been less noise and bustle involved, but that little 'earthquake' absolutely killed their stealth and got Trent heading over, and Fjord's attempt at a distraction made Trent head over much faster. They were literally going to be seconds away from the innie team getting out. I thought it was the guy Jester charmed, she technically lost his charm when she used her duplicate. It was just one guy running to alert the others too.
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Antifa Spacemarine posted:I thought it was the guy Jester charmed, she technically lost his charm when she used her duplicate. It was just one guy running to alert the others too.
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lol Liam was in Twitch chat saying Marisha is the enemy of all cats now.
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Antifa Spacemarine posted:I thought it was the guy Jester charmed, she technically lost his charm when she used her duplicate. It was just one guy running to alert the others too.
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