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redbrouw posted:KEEN But that just allows for more roleplay! Edit: Also I just remembered this is the guy who played "120ft of flight, sneak attack, and 3 ranged attacks per round + haste" Vax so I realize I'm totally wrong. HoboTech fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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HoboTech posted:Liam strikes me as the kind of player who would rather their character die than do a really cheesy metagame move just because it'd be better ennui. I like to imagine that Liam (and Taliesin, probably) got their metagame nonsense out of the way in their younger days.
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redbrouw posted:KEEN "Yeah, but what time is it exactly, DM?"
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Plan Z posted:"Yeah, but what time is it exactly, DM?" This the true reason he picked Keen Mind, annoying his DM.
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HoboTech posted:But that just allows for more roleplay! Some of that was Matt allowing them magic items (I think crafted by Tiberius when they were still playing Pathfinder) that he later said were overpowered in 5e. Vax's boots were one, Scanlan's Hand-cone was another.
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Worth noting that fans also pointed out many, many times that Vax was arguably the worst person on the team to have the Boots of Haste since the bulk of his damage comes from his first sneak attack hit in a round and he rarely ever needed the huge movement speed it gave him since he mostly threw his daggers rather than fighting in melee. The Boots would have been more effective on... pretty much everybody else who had a higher base damage. Vax got what, an extra 1d6+whatever from a thrown dagger? Compare that to what it might have done on someone like Grog or Percy. Liam was well aware of this and still refused to give the boots up because Vax was attached to them. So Liam was still avoiding metagaming overpoweredness in his own way.
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He also could never die, because Mercer wanted to give him a pick me up when he was going through tough stuff. If that isn't overpowered metagaming, what is?!
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redbrouw posted:He also could never die, because Mercer wanted to give him a pick me up when he was going through tough stuff. i think he's actually significantly more dead than anyone
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Oct 8, 2020 02:29
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Matt literally had Vecna disintegrate his rear end.
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The fate touched thing was much earlier than that and he came back from the dead one time resource free, didn't he? He died at the appropriate time, like Harry Potter, but before that he had literal plot armor.
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redbrouw posted:The fate touched thing was much earlier than that and he came back from the dead one time resource free, didn't he? I'm pretty sure that's not true? Not sure though. In any case Liam deliberately made a number of suboptimal calls because it was in character for Vax to do them, most notably throwing down with Raishan while underprepared.
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Turns out the fate touched thing only happened in episode 100, but Matt says he would have done it earlier if necessary in the second campaign wrap up episode. So even if Liam hadn't known it, he probably would have been able to make the same deal with the Raven Queen.
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It only happened in 103, because it's the last episode I watched. It's also notable that Vax never actually failed a normal resurrection or anything, so he could quite possibly have successfully been revived that way; it'd just have taken a while because Vox Machina didn't have 25,000 GP of diamonds and needed to find them before they could try. They had the money to purchase them, they just didn't have a place to do so even if they did have some ideas about how they might get those diamonds. Matt didn't really go out of his way to fudge Liam's character back to life, he just cut out the cast having to go through several episodes without Liam and that was probably the bigger incentive. If Vax died then Liam could have just rolled a new character; it'd suck, but the entire team seem like they'd be okay with accepting a character death and using a new character. If the rest of the cast has to spend several episodes doing it though, then Liam either has to play a really temporary character that he can't attach to because it's so transient or sit out several episodes while the cast do some busy work to resurrect him. They already had the gold to do so, just not someone to trade that gold to for the necessary materials and drawing that out just seems like a ballache. Edit: Of course, I haven't actually watched the wrap up Talks yet, so maybe what Matt said directly contradicts that and he really did just do it because he didn't want Vax to die so Liam wouldn't be saddened when he was already going through a hard time, but coming from the perspective of the episode as it played out it just looks like he's doing it save some hassle at the very least. tsob fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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tsob posted:It only happened in 103, because it's the last episode I watched. It's also notable that Vax never actually failed a normal resurrection or anything, so he could quite possibly have successfully been revived that way; it'd just have taken a while because Vox Machina didn't have 25,000 GP of diamonds and needed to find them before they could try. They had the money to purchase them, they just didn't have a place to do so even if they did have some ideas about how they might get those diamonds. Matt didn't really go out of his way to fudge Liam's character back to life, he just cut out the cast having to go through several episodes without Liam and that was probably the bigger incentive. If Vax died then Liam could have just rolled a new character; it'd suck, but the entire team seem like they'd be okay with accepting a character death and using a new character. If the rest of the cast has to spend several episodes doing it though, then Liam either has to play a really temporary character that he can't attach to because it's so transient or sit out several episodes while the cast do some busy work to resurrect him. They already had the gold to do so, just not someone to trade that gold to for the necessary materials and drawing that out just seems like a ballache. I doubt you're watching Talks while watching Season 1, but it's made very clear that a resurrection would not work due to his pact with the Raven Queen. It's kind of said further on, but it sounds like you're already past the part where it would have been discussed.
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Schedule's back to normal this week: https://critrole.com/programming-schedule-week-of-october-12-2020/
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Hulk Smash! posted:Schedule's back to normal this week: https://critrole.com/programming-schedule-week-of-october-12-2020/
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Drowning Rabbit posted:I doubt you're watching Talks while watching Season 1, but it's made very clear that a resurrection would not work due to his pact with the Raven Queen. Yeah, I watched the first few Talks Machina after the episode it started and watch the occasional one that's tied to an interesting episode as I'm going through, but I don't watch all of them or anything. It's interesting that resurrection doesn't work with the Raven Queen though. It should be obvious, really, given her whole deal but I guess I'm used to thinking about resurrection as just being comparable to doctors performing surgery or something on technically deceased patients that brings them back to life analogous to conscious/unconscious rather than magic that's bringing the dead to life again so that it never even really registered as being a huge step extra to resurrect Vax despite his entire body being disintegrated in this instance. It also makes sense now that Sam goes in to the finale with a plan to prevent Vax's death, since I've seen YouTube videos of that even before I started watching Critical Role. If the Raven Queen's pact is "You're doing this to kill Vecna, and after that, you're out" and everyone knows about it, then of course Sam is going to know about it going in and plan around it. Which, now I wonder what would have happened if he'd been able to make that wish. Would the Raven Queen be pissed about Vax breaking her pact, even if not by his own design? A topic that may be covered in post-season Talks, I guess.
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I think a lot of the difficulty around resurrection on Critical Role is that it fits better with the overall story, and not much more than that. Fact is, if you just go by rules as written in 5e death for high level characters is simply no more than a speedbump really. "Oh, you're dusted? That's fine I'll just wait until I get my 8 hours of sleep and True Resurrection you tomorrow, no big deal." Not to mention that Vax's deal with the Raven Queen in the first place was to assist in the ritual to revivify Vex, which is also not a required thing rules as written but it is good because it heightens tension. So like most things, it's house rules intended to make the story more high stakes and less gamey.
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Narrative telephone season 2 starts next tuesday
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:Narrative telephone season 2 starts next tuesday I love that in the preview video Ashley's background is every 90's school picture backdrop https://twitter.com/CriticalRole/status/1316061272371130368
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tsob posted:Yeah, I watched the first few Talks Machina after the episode it started and watch the occasional one that's tied to an interesting episode as I'm going through, but I don't watch all of them or anything. It's interesting that resurrection doesn't work with the Raven Queen though. It should be obvious, really, given her whole deal but I guess I'm used to thinking about resurrection as just being comparable to doctors performing surgery or something on technically deceased patients that brings them back to life analogous to conscious/unconscious rather than magic that's bringing the dead to life again so that it never even really registered as being a huge step extra to resurrect Vax despite his entire body being disintegrated in this instance. The Raven Queen seems to have an issue with wayward necromancy. She's explicitly ok with resurrection in certain cases, it's when there's presumably unpleasant consequences to the weave of Fate that she starts having problems.
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I'm trying to remember something semi-CR-related. I think at one point, Sam Riegel was broadcasting from his house, and he secretly texted his wife to sneak in and move around some kind of creepy "Ring girl"-esque puppet to make Travis cringe, but I cannot remember what it was from. Does anyone remember that or am I just high on the goofballz?
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I'm trying to remember something semi-CR-related. I think at one point, Sam Riegel was broadcasting from his house, and he secretly texted his wife to sneak in and move around some kind of creepy "Ring girl"-esque puppet to make Travis cringe, but I cannot remember what it was from. It was in one of the Narrative Telephone episodes
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Prettypanda posted:It was in one of the Narrative Telephone episodes Okay, I did check the Widogast's web of words one first, but the others didn't seem like they fit. I'll check those. Thanks.
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Yeah then she belly crawled out thinking she was out of frame but was absolutely not. Somewhere in the middle but back half middle of the season iirc.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Okay, I did check the Widogast's web of words one first, but the others didn't seem like they fit. I'll check those. Thanks. It happens at 44:30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvsJDG4WRzQ&list=PL1tiwbzkOjQyezFDKCb20491HLfaRMSDX&index=4&t=44m30s
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Man I forgot the full extent of just how bad Ashley is at that game.
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Dameius posted:Yeah then she belly crawled out thinking she was out of frame but was absolutely not. Somewhere in the middle but back half middle of the season iirc. She was in frame but no one would have seen her if she wasn't wearing those ridiculous clown socks 
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Dameius posted:Man I forgot the full extent of just how bad Ashley is at that game. Weird I must be misremembering because I thought she was the best at that game.
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The best in entertainment value, for sure.
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This bit is dumb 
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DarklyDreaming posted:This bit is dumb That's.. that's every bit.
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Oct 16, 2020 03:04
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When you get a screenshot at just the right moment:
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I feel like the flask water would have an odor, but maybe that's just me.
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DarklyDreaming posted:This bit is dumb
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oooh I love the look of that wallet and I am sorely tempted.
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Despite that vax cloak being like 80 euro, I still want one. Maybe if they're still around I'll get one for christmas.
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