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Their sense of humour evolved. I don't think anyone would make a whore dwarves wharves joke now.
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Apr 11, 2021 16:38
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If anything I think their humor still had a big "at home with people you know will laugh at these jokes even if they're a bit offensive" feel when they first started and they slowly veered away from it over time. Aside from Sam anyway, Scanlan lived and breathed that personality for most the campaign. 
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Apr 11, 2021 16:45
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Orion is hard to watch, but Sam is kind of worse sometimes in those early episodes. If he didn't seriously self-evaluate at some point, then someone definitely sat down with him and had a talk. His Scanlan schtick gets really offputting at times, and I remember him making quite a few rape jokes.
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Apr 11, 2021 18:27
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I definitely remember the running joke about Scanlan being interested in young boys. I think, probably, it sounds like something that started in the home game and is probably just him wording something weird and then 'BRING ME A YOUNG BOY' becoming a running joke, but it's an uncomfortable one. Orion tbh is okay in the earliest episodes, but I started my re-listen from the Briarwoods arc and by that point he's completely not doing well and everyone else is palpably at the end of their rope and it just creates a very tense atmosphere. I don't even particularly dislike Tiberius, I like the idea of an intelligent character pretending to be a buffoon to be underestimated but also sincerely being a buffoon in many ways, but it's clear Orion is not good at separating OOC from IC after a certain point and that leads to him trying to dominate every scene and also being very bad at taking criticism.
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To be fair, "Bafoonish but trying to hide it under a veil of bluster and bravado" is kind of the Sorcerer archetype. Not dismissing the way Orion acted during the campaign, far from it, but I think there are interesting ways for it to be done. If we get a Campaign 3 in the near future, I would low-key kind of love for one of the weirder Warlock archetypes to show up. I kind of want to see what they do with a Celestial or Djinn pact warlock with the book or the chain. With Celestial Tome warlock you wind up with like 7 cantrips at level 3 and +CHA to all damage rolls with fire and radiant magic and access to every class' cantrips. Granted, if you take firebolt from Wizard you get the +CHA on the damage roll, which is still strictly inferior to eldritch blast, but more interesting from a character building and roleplay perspective. Especially if they take the feat to allow their fire damage to bypass enemy resistances.
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There were only a few times I found Orion really hard to bear instead of just mildly annoying in combat. The Trial of the Take was a bad one when they had guests on and Orion blew literally all his spells doing basically nothing and just spent the entire time acting ornery that they wouldn't do a long rest in the middle of a chase sequence. Another one was when he showed up at the start of the episode and explained to Matt that he snuck off to Draconia in the middle of the night and came back with his very own bag of holding to which Matt basically had to awkwardly say "uh, okay....I guess..." live on stream. Some of the other stuff that people seem to consider egregious bad-player moments like Tiberius trying to get his father's army to drop everything and come eliminate Percy's Briarwood problem seemed pretty much in-character for Tiberius, and the way Matt let him down was a good RP moment I thought.
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Volte posted:There were only a few times I found Orion really hard to bear instead of just mildly annoying in combat. The Trial of the Take was a bad one when they had guests on and Orion blew literally all his spells doing basically nothing and just spent the entire time acting ornery that they wouldn't do a long rest in the middle of a chase sequence. Another one was when he showed up at the start of the episode and explained to Matt that he snuck off to Draconia in the middle of the night and came back with his very own bag of holding to which Matt basically had to awkwardly say "uh, okay....I guess..." live on stream. Wait...how does a player character do something without the DM's knowledge and consent, that he could tell Matt he snuck off and did a thing and Matt just had to accept it?
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Apr 14, 2021 00:24
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tsob posted:Wait...how does a player character do something without the DM's knowledge and consent, that he could tell Matt he snuck off and did a thing and Matt just had to accept it?
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Volte posted:Matt could definitely have shut him down but it's kind of against the spirit of improv that they all adhere to and probably would have lead to more drama than just letting him have it. Definitely poor form on Orion's part though. So Orion just announced that he'd done that in the night without checking it with the DM at all? And without actually going through the RP aspect of leaving in the middle of the night and showing his trip? That's just mind-boggling. The NaDDPod players do a thing called D&D Court every now and then where they ask fans to send in related grievances for them to arbitrate and one of the ones sent in a while back sounds similar, in that a player wanted to basically charm a high level enemy, announced he was going to roll without asking the DM if he even could, got a nat 20 and then got put out when the DM didn't immediately have the high level enemy swayed to his side by his charisma. Which the entire cast reacted with disbelief to when it was read out, because what the gently caress was the player even thinking would happen just doing his own thing without ever checking with the DM for the story. This sounds basically the same.
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Apr 14, 2021 00:52
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The aforementioned Trial of the Take episode and the K’Varn fight were two of Orion’s worst moments in my opinion, but he just constantly was kind of lovely during the game.
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tsob posted:So Orion just announced that he'd done that in the night without checking it with the DM at all? This strikes me as a "I'll do it on-screen while everyone is watching so it's harder to say no to my bullshit" kind of move, but I'm willing to bet Matt handwaved it because once a party has one bag of holding it really doesn't matter if they have two, for the most part. It's mostly a contrivance to avoid having to deal with encumbrance rules. Still, it's a really lovely move to pull.
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Apr 14, 2021 01:44
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Not as bad as some of his other behavior but, from the very first episode, he proceeds to 1) break from the party to go explore a thing that was only interesting to him, 2) throw a bunch of spells at a building in a city they just arrived in, and 3) throw a fireball at a group of enemies engaging friendly NPCs - killing the enemies and a couple of friendlies in the blast. Not exactly a stellar start. e. Plus constantly butting in other people's conversations with NPCs.
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tsob posted:So Orion just announced that he'd done that in the night without checking it with the DM at all? And without actually going through the RP aspect of leaving in the middle of the night and showing his trip? That's just mind-boggling. The NaDDPod players do a thing called D&D Court every now and then where they ask fans to send in related grievances for them to arbitrate and one of the ones sent in a while back sounds similar, in that a player wanted to basically charm a high level enemy, announced he was going to roll without asking the DM if he even could, got a nat 20 and then got put out when the DM didn't immediately have the high level enemy swayed to his side by his charisma. Which the entire cast reacted with disbelief to when it was read out, because what the gently caress was the player even thinking would happen just doing his own thing without ever checking with the DM for the story. This sounds basically the same. My favorite D&D Court question was the one about the guy who would eat an entire rotisserie chicken during the video call.
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Orion is the reason I nearly quit on this show, I've been wanting to start at the beginning again but just wondering if I can tolerate his bullshit a second time. Him trying to trade the circlet of concentration off Scanlan while Sam is away and him forcing Sam to trade it the next week even though I don't think he really wanted to and the stupid  face he'd make whenever Matt forgot about it thereafter. Whenever that would have been useful for Scanlan later in the campaign I always thought "gently caress you Tiberius"and when he hosed with Laura's shot with telekinesis when she rolled insanely high and totally ruining her moment, just wtf man there was no way she would have missed when she rolled over 30...
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Yeah, I ended up skipping the episodes past when the Briarwood-Emon fight happen because he was getting on my nerves so bad. Went straight to 27, currently on 37, maybe I'll watch those some time but probably not. I did enjoy the fact that Matt announced Orion wasn't coming back while in a full Geralt costume, that was great. The first part that really got my attention was when Laura got the kill shot on K'varn. Everyone is yelling and cheering, he's just sitting there stone faced and silent.
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travis talking about his plans to hunt down Sabien in darktow so yeah it really seems like no one has any idea at this point if this arc could be the end or what well they all think it could be the end depending on how things go, lol
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Apr 14, 2021 03:58
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eke out posted:travis talking about his plans to hunt down Sabien in darktow so yeah it really seems like no one has any idea at this point if this arc could be the end or what
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Apr 14, 2021 04:38
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Crazy Ted posted:How it ends is they do just enough that they can safely go back to their life as accidental pirates. gotta do something about that big snake first tho
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Apr 14, 2021 05:13
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eke out posted:gotta do something about that big snake first tho
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eke out posted:gotta do something about that big snake first tho Yeah, I have to imagine they have to do something about the U'Katoa situation before they put a wrap on this campaign. For all we know the next session could be super anticlimatic, especially if Essek has some high level stone shaping spell that lets him just brush aside the cave in like it was dust or something. Caleb also has a Master Transmuter class feature available to him that at least lets him turn a 5 ft cube of it into dust or something, but it'll also burn out his transmuter stone until the next long rest.
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DeathSandwich posted:Yeah, I have to imagine they have to do something about the U'Katoa situation before they put a wrap on this campaign. For all we know the next session could be super anticlimatic, especially if Essek has some high level stone shaping spell that lets him just brush aside the cave in like it was dust or something. Caleb also has a Master Transmuter class feature available to him that at least lets him turn a 5 ft cube of it into dust or something, but it'll also burn out his transmuter stone until the next long rest. yeah, I think that stone is also the one that can literally do a revive now? i feel like matt knows what people want and will ensure there is a big climax here, he's really not the type to allow for unceremonious surprise endings
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eke out posted:yeah, I think that stone is also the one that can literally do a revive now? Raise dead, so longer time span to do it but yeah. Only once and then you have to remake it completely after a long rest and it takes 8 hours. I'm sure there will be a big conclusion, but I'm still wondering if the city is coming in or not.
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Apr 14, 2021 19:19
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Euology as advertisement 
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In case anyone didn't get the QR code. https://imgur.com/s3AyOCq
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Apr 16, 2021 03:04
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Spit that out Travis. You
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Apr 16, 2021 03:06
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I think the intro changed but I didn't really catch it - what happened?
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Apr 16, 2021 03:14
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Arcsech posted:I think the intro changed but I didn't really catch it - what happened? New Opening, who dis?
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Apr 16, 2021 03:15
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Work ran a little later, what have I missed so far?
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Apr 16, 2021 03:44
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PetraCore posted:Work ran a little later, what have I missed so far? haven't rested, already getting distracted by buildings probably unrelated to the path the tomb takers are fleeing on also dagen lived there is absolutely no sense of urgency at all lol
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Don't come running back with a monster chasing after you
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Apr 16, 2021 03:52
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VETH IS FINALLY IN THE OPENING
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eke out posted:haven't rested, already getting distracted by buildings probably unrelated to the path the tomb takers are fleeing on
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It's actually frustrating the poo poo out of me how much they've already gotten distracted lol. I was hoping they would come in with some more urgency or something.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:53
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It's the break between recordings. Otherwise they'd be way more focused.
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Cad Otis was blatantly a warlock, not a mage. She did a prayer to 'the Voice from beyond the stars' in deep speech when pressed. He knew Eldritch Blast.
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Dammit, I looked away for a moment, who are they talking to?
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Apr 16, 2021 03:57
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I love the idea that Cad is good at lying to the dead, and bad at lying to the living.
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ChaosReaper posted:It's actually frustrating the poo poo out of me how much they've already gotten distracted lol. I was hoping they would come in with some more urgency or something. They have a whole day, apparently.
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