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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


I want the hostage guy to be a regular

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Eiba
Jul 26, 2007



Mike the TV posted:

I really like Prax Meng, and I want him to be a good guy, but he's a scumbag for hiding the protomolecule on the ship
He did what now? What made you think he did that?

Mike the TV
Jan 14, 2008

Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine


Eiba posted:

He did what now? What made you think he did that?

He said he sealed up the cargo bay, but he was washed in blue light while he did it. And what he named the ship. I haven't read the books, but his quote about needing to be burned alive was pretty obvious too.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011




Blind Rasputin posted:

Why would you have rust in space if there’s no oxygen or water?

Asking for a friend

I can happen without water, just takes longer. UV light can break down the covalent bonds in metal the same way water does and when mixed with stray oxygen molecules( while not enough to breath or transmit sound, oxygen it still present in space on the molecular level) in space. This can be sped up if the UV light creates a weakness of the hull that allows for stray oxygen molecules to 'seep' out.

bou
Aug 3, 2006
Häschde > *

Drummer ist still hardcore and the goal of everyone in the system should be to not piss her off.

But my favourite exchange has to be "Good job, Marine" - "Same to you, spy"

Bonus: I think this was the first episode that made me not outright hate Avarsala.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

YOSPOS


double nine posted:

would an object that has to endure many acceleration/deceleration burns and changes in momentum not have to be at least somewhat sturdy to not fall apart from stresses?

Maybe Holden's got internal power armor?

I think the scene would have been funnier if he tried to break the machine and only managed to make a small dent on it.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP CARING ABOUT KIDNAPPED CHILDREN AND INSTEAD LISTEN TO MY IDIOT IDEAS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Eiba posted:

He did what now? What made you think he did that?

Oh I love the weird TVIV theories

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

"TELL ME HOW TO GET PIG SEMEN OUT OF SUEDE" Club soda, fucktard.

bloom posted:

I think the scene would have been funnier if he tried to break the machine and only managed to make a small dent on it.

Would have been a better metaphor for Holden's constant, impotent rage.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012



Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Would have been a better metaphor for Holden's constant, impotent rage
against the machine

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

YOSPOS


*gruff voice, “we need to do [insert thing] because we need to... I knew a guy who would’ve done it already.”

Every loving Holden scene.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Does the first season have a ramp up?

I really loved the books but the show is just not grabbing me at all. I'm having a lot of trouble getting past SyFys production value that looks like it's going to turn into Cinemax soft porn at any second.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to troll here but they really seemed to take the fun horror stuff out of the book and just turned it into a political drama?

Does it get better? I can usually deal with ramp ups.

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010

I do believe I may have shit my pants. I hope this accident was worth it for Lowtax' spine.


Matt Zerella posted:

Does the first season have a ramp up?

I really loved the books but the show is just not grabbing me at all. I'm having a lot of trouble getting past SyFys production value that looks like it's going to turn into Cinemax soft porn at any second.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to troll here but they really seemed to take the fun horror stuff out of the book and just turned it into a political drama?

Does it get better? I can usually deal with ramp ups.

Get through episode 4

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007



Mike the TV posted:

He said he sealed up the cargo bay, but he was washed in blue light while he did it. And what he named the ship. I haven't read the books, but his quote about needing to be burned alive was pretty obvious too.
He was looking out the hole into space that the creature left out of, not the hole in the ground that the creature left a blue ball in. That hole was the one the creature made when going for the reactor and they sealed it later once they had atmosphere in that room. The lights were blue because all the lights were blue in the first part of this episode.

Matt Zerella posted:

Does the first season have a ramp up?

I really loved the books but the show is just not grabbing me at all. I'm having a lot of trouble getting past SyFys production value that looks like it's going to turn into Cinemax soft porn at any second.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to troll here but they really seemed to take the fun horror stuff out of the book and just turned it into a political drama?

Does it get better? I can usually deal with ramp ups.
I don't know what books you read, but I read some fantastic political drama, and that's what the TV show primarily is too.

The characters get more chemistry as time goes on if that's your issue. They start off way more antagonistic in the show and kind of grow into the family they are in the books. If you want creepy visceral horror, that's even less present in the show than it was in the books. Protomolecule is glowy blue stuff rather than weird flesh stuff.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Eiba posted:

He was looking out the hole into space that the creature left out of, not the hole in the ground that the creature left a blue ball in. That hole was the one the creature made when going for the reactor and they sealed it later once they had atmosphere in that room. The lights were blue because all the lights were blue in the first part of this episode.

I don't know what books you read, but I read some fantastic political drama, and that's what the TV show primarily is too.

The characters get more chemistry as time goes on if that's your issue. They start off way more antagonistic in the show and kind of grow into the family they are in the books. If you want creepy visceral horror, that's even less present in the show than it was in the books. Protomolecule is glowy blue stuff rather than weird flesh stuff.

I mean, the opening scene alone kind of gave me a bad feeling about the show compared to the books for the horror aspect. I just really loving hate the production value of everything and the acting is... not great which is weird considering there's some very good actors on the show.

Im also extremely bitter about what SyFy and Lev Grossman did to The Magicians and kind of feel like they're doing the same here.

I'm on episode 4 and a dude just got his head blown off which was kind of cool I guess.


I'm honestly not trolling or trying to be antagonistic or the typical TVIV THIS SUCKS person. I guess I'm just a little disappointed.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

"TELL ME HOW TO GET PIG SEMEN OUT OF SUEDE" Club soda, fucktard.

Matt Zerella posted:

I mean, the opening scene alone kind of gave me a bad feeling about the show compared to the books for the horror aspect. I just really loving hate the production value of everything and the acting is... not great which is weird considering there's some very good actors on the show.

Im also extremely bitter about what SyFy and Lev Grossman did to The Magicians and kind of feel like they're doing the same here.

I'm on episode 4 and a dude just got his head blown off which was kind of cool I guess.


I'm honestly not trolling or trying to be antagonistic or the typical TVIV THIS SUCKS person. I guess I'm just a little disappointed.

source ur quotes...the last line was a nice touch

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

source ur quotes...the last line was a nice touch

Its all me baby

I know it's a popular show and like I said, I loving loved the first few books.

I want my goddamn vomit zombies and weird semi bio matter alive space station.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

"TELL ME HOW TO GET PIG SEMEN OUT OF SUEDE" Club soda, fucktard.

Matt Zerella posted:

Its all me baby

I know it's a popular show and like I said, I loving loved the first few books.

I want my goddamn vomit zombies and weird semi bio matter alive space station.

Vomit zombies show up at the end of season 1, but that really hasn't come up much since. There was stuff with weaponized protomolecule in S2, but the show is more politics and characters.

Even the books weren't really horror, the impression I got was Peter F. Hamilton multi-POV space opera minus the GRRM-style, endlessly winding descriptions of feasts and food items constructionbots. There was very little in the way of horror.

We may get more of that this season, as the last episode ended with Holden going full Don Quixote after all of the major players now have PM, but .

Edit: Expanse is more than Alien.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Vomit zombies show up at the end of season 1, but that really hasn't come up much since. There was stuff with weaponized protomolecule in S2, but the show is more politics and characters.

Even the books weren't really horror, the impression I got was Peter F. Hamilton multi-POV space opera minus the GRRM-style, endlessly winding descriptions of feasts and food items constructionbots. There was very little in the way of horror.

We may get more of that this season, as the last episode ended with Holden going full Don Quixote after all of the major players now have PM, but .

Edit: Expanse is more than Alien.

Yeah thanks, this seems apt. I think I might bail. Sorry if I upset anyone. Show isn't for me.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012



HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:

Get through episode 4
Yeah that was it for me. I started watching this show twice on recommendations by really good friends I usually trust, but it never worked. But then one day, a third attempt, I just let it run through 4 episodes, not really paying attention while, I forgot, cleaning up my room, and there's a long scene in episode 4 that made me hit pause halfway through, rewatch it immediately while paying attention this time, and then I binged all of it starting on that day.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011


Matt Zerella posted:


Im also extremely bitter about what SyFy and Lev Grossman did to The Magicians and kind of feel like they're doing the same here.


Did you quit watching in the first season? That's understandable. I say unto you that it gets better and its time to reopen your heart to the JanetMargot is oddly the best hour of power.

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010

I do believe I may have shit my pants. I hope this accident was worth it for Lowtax' spine.


Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Did you quit watching in the first season? That's understandable. I say unto you that it gets better and its time to reopen your heart to the JanetMargot is oddly the best hour of power.

The slog to get thru the crap before it turns good is a long one, but it's worth it. That loving show is something else entirely. I shouldn't like it by any definition, but it's amazing.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001




if you really just want the Dead Space style proto molecule stuff, that's never going to show up, so keep that in mind.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Did you quit watching in the first season? That's understandable. I say unto you that it gets better and its time to reopen your heart to the JanetMargot is oddly the best hour of power.

My wife watches it. I don't pay attention. Loved the poo poo out of the three books but holy gently caress the dialog is so bad and I cannot stand that SyFy "everything looks plastic" production thing they do.

There are however some pretty ladies on the show.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

lolwut



Refreshing to see someone recognize a show is probably not going to be something they like instead of doing the TVIV thing of watching every episode religiously to livepost about how much they wish it were a different show.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SWERVE



The Razorback looked siiiick

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


hailthefish posted:

Refreshing to see someone recognize a show is probably not going to be something they like instead of doing the TVIV thing of watching every episode religiously to livepost about how much they wish it were a different show.

I dealt with the haters and losers in the Leftovers thread and learned a lot.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007


I hate when I try to do the right thing and buy a show, only to get DRM'd. In this case, paid for Amazon HD, but because my display isn't 'approved' I have to watch it in SD.

Really enjoyed that first ep, good to be back.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Did you quit watching in the first season? That's understandable. I say unto you that it gets better and its time to reopen your heart to the JanetMargot is oddly the best hour of power.

This. S1 was a hatewatch the first time around (on re-watching, not as bad), I really like it now.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Lol imagine complaining about SyFy production value. You must never have seen their poo poo before the name change.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP CARING ABOUT KIDNAPPED CHILDREN AND INSTEAD LISTEN TO MY IDIOT IDEAS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Haters leave

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Milo and POTUS posted:

Lol imagine complaining about SyFy production value. You must never have seen their poo poo before the name change.

Yes? These are two book series I loved so I thought I'd check out the shows and I was not familiar with SyFy being Skinemax in HD.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011


Matt Zerella posted:

My wife watches it. I don't pay attention. Loved the poo poo out of the three books but holy gently caress the dialog is so bad and I cannot stand that SyFy "everything looks plastic" production thing they do.

There are however some pretty ladies on the show.

The dialogue has gotten better.

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


bloom posted:

It seems like poor design for power armor to have a several seconds long gap before switching to backup batteries. You could say it switches off non-critical systems, but that means there's been some embarrassing moments of marines floating helplessly during a boarding action.

Regardless it's so good to have this show back. Glad to see Bobbie getting more power armor action even if it's still not as rad as it was in the book.

I justified that as the thing had been fried to hell, so along with the battery getting super drained it made sense to me that some of the systems might fail intermittently. That EVA trip on the outside of the ship was so goddamn intense, I knew she'd be okay but holy poo poo that scene pushed all my buttons.

Julie's racing ship is 10x cooler looking than anything I could've dreamed up, I love everything about the design and I think it's the coolest ship we've seen so far, and I like that it looking so rad inside and out totally fits the established universe and story since she had all of Mao's money to throw into the raddest ship she could think of, and since it's the rare "fly for pleasure" ship that's designed for only 2 people it doesn't have to have poo poo like weapons, big crew amenities, basically strap a rocket to some metal and make it all look cool as hell. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the inner details of it coming up.

My only nitpick at all with the episode is that I got teased by seeing just the start of how Bobbi's armor comes off, and I wanted to see that poo poo all come sliding off like an Iron Man suit dammit!

NowonSA fucked around with this message at Apr 12, 2018 around 22:39

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

"TELL ME HOW TO GET PIG SEMEN OUT OF SUEDE" Club soda, fucktard.

Razorback is the space equivalent of a custom Bugatti Veyron.

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013


By far the best episode I've seen this season.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

YOSPOS


NowonSA posted:

My only nitpick at all with the episode is that I got teased by seeing just the start of how Bobbi's armor comes off, and I wanted to see that poo poo all come sliding off like an Iron Man suit dammit!

I kinda wish they had gone the book route with it. In those she doesn't take the armor off, she stands there and uses it to brace herself against the g-forces. No idea if that's remotely realistic but it did make the armor seem even more badass.

Maybe it would have looked silly on screen and that's why they changed it.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

bloom posted:

I kinda wish they had gone the book route with it. In those she doesn't take the armor off, she stands there and uses it to brace herself against the g-forces. No idea if that's remotely realistic but it did make the armor seem even more badass.

Maybe it would have looked silly on screen and that's why they changed it.

That would have had the problem where either no one is flying that ship, or someone has to get left behind.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

YOSPOS


Cojawfee posted:

That would have had the problem where either no one is flying that ship, or someone has to get left behind.

It's been a while but I think in the book the engineer guy from the ship doesn't exist, so Cotyar flies, Avasarala rides shotgun and Bobbie stands there being awesome. Agreed that they couldn't just dump the engineer guy though, wouldn't be a very good guy thing to do.

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


bloom posted:

I kinda wish they had gone the book route with it. In those she doesn't take the armor off, she stands there and uses it to brace herself against the g-forces. No idea if that's remotely realistic but it did make the armor seem even more badass.

Maybe it would have looked silly on screen and that's why they changed it.

Yeah as I recall she basically breaks the pilot's seat out of the ship and then pilots using the power armor as a crash couch, and I guess the armor is able to juice her up too? I don't recall the details since it's been awhile, but that sounds right to me. I don't remember Cotyar being on the ship with them at all, but then again I literally don't remember Cotyar at all so I may just have a blank space there, it's possible. All this minor book stuff really doesn't matter anyway, though with that said on the subject of the book...

The books also make the ship seem WAY more cramped than we saw on the show just in terms of actual open space in the ship, and I liked that they were able to do a stylish more open design but still make it 2 people max since you gotta be in a proper seat or you'll die pulling their G's, and they have to pull those G's to get away to safety.

It's a nice touch that Chrisjen was able to inspire the engineer to help them but also didn't leave him as a necessary sacrifice, which is what I was expecting especially when he was like "it'll take an hour" and with me expecting someone to be needed at the helm of the doomed ship. Her actress, as freakin usual, gave me the sense that she'd totally do that if she had to, but only if she had to and that she wanted him to be able to make it, and the same with her spy bodyguard. It's a nice contrast with Mao and the U.N. rear end in a top hat who will absolutely kill and abandon whoever they think they need to, including their own family.

kerwyn
Aug 21, 2007


bloom posted:

I kinda wish they had gone the book route with it. In those she doesn't take the armor off, she stands there and uses it to brace herself against the g-forces. No idea if that's remotely realistic but it did make the armor seem even more badass.

Maybe it would have looked silly on screen and that's why they changed it.

That's book 5 iirc, Alex flying, bobbie braces herself cause she won't fit, the Martian PM in the cabin or something like that

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bloom
Feb 25, 2017

YOSPOS


NowonSA posted:

The books also make the ship seem WAY more cramped than we saw on the show just in terms of actual open space in the ship, and I liked that they were able to do a stylish more open design but still make it 2 people max since you gotta be in a proper seat or you'll die pulling their G's, and they have to pull those G's to get away to safety.

Yeah I really liked the design of the Razorback. It nailed the look of a luxury sports ship, very much the Bugatti Veyron like someone said.

kerwyn posted:

That's book 5 iirc, Alex flying, bobbie braces herself cause she won't fit, the Martian PM in the cabin or something like that

I guess I was confusing it with that.

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