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THere is a line in the Hostile Hospital that I wish was kept in when Klaus first gets the idea to disguise himself and Sunny - "We don't have to fool Olaf - we just have to fool everyone else!"
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Boris Galerkin posted:I binged through season 1 to watch season 2 but I’m a few episodes into season 2 and I don’t think this type of show if for me. The Poe's are intentionally clueless, but almost everyone else is varying levels of competency. Heck there's a number of people in this season who are highly competent and still lose out because they think the wrong things or make the wrong plans. Count Olaf is generally competent and fails due to getting ahead of himself so on and so forth. Heck, it's very likely Uncle Monty knew about Stefano being a disguise, and just didn't act in time or in the right way to stop his own death. Just as an example.
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Apr 2, 2018 08:13
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as a non book reader the end of episode 5 was just pure 
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Lord_Magmar posted:The Poe's are intentionally clueless, but almost everyone else is varying levels of competency. Heck there's a number of people in this season who are highly competent and still lose out because they think the wrong things or make the wrong plans. Count Olaf is generally competent and fails due to getting ahead of himself so on and so forth. He explicitly states his incorrect assumption - he thinks Stefano is a rival trying to steal his discovery, so has no idea he's actually genuinely trying to kill him.
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Apr 2, 2018 08:40
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One of the things I really like about this show is how a lot of the locations the Beaudelaires visit give the impression they used to be thriving and pleasant. E.g. The Mill, (S2 locations:) the Village and the Carnival. But now it's like the world is falling into various states of ruin and misery because of short-sighted adults and/or secret society machinations.
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Apr 2, 2018 09:23
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Personally, the saddest loss in this adaptation isn't the wonderful art style, or the strange little bits of postmodern experimental writing the books occasionally had, but the changes they've made to Lemony as a character. He's far more of an unreliable narrator in the books -- as a literary narrator he's an effete Eeyeor, the kind of person who considers cold soup to be as depressing as being eaten alive by leeches. He's likeable and earnest, but he's also self-important, obsessive and pedantic. Everything he writes is filtered through this constantly miserable perspective and so becomes impossible to take literally -- and that's before we get to fact that the story he's telling is educated guesswork shot through with missing, anecdotal or otherwise unreliable evidence. Lemony as the host of the series feels a great deal more solid, and so we're encouraged to think of the story as more literally true -- a feeling enhanced by the various cutaways to material that would be outside the novel's scope, which suggests that what we're seeing is what "actually" happened. And so you end up losing a lot of the book's ambiguity, and -- to me -- a lot of their flavour. Boris Galerkin posted:I hate how utterly incompetent everyone is. It was “cute” the first few episodes but holy poo poo does it get old. The whole “we need to write our characters stupid as all ever living gently caress in order to progress the story” thing is the most idiotic theme ever. I think you're putting the cart before the horse here; the character's aren't incompetent in order to push the story forward, the story is about the characters being incompetent.
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Apr 2, 2018 09:43
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BioEnchanted posted:He explicitly states his incorrect assumption - he thinks Stefano is a rival trying to steal his discovery, so has no idea he's actually genuinely trying to kill him. I meant that he’s double bluffing and knows Stefano is Olaf but is claiming the other thing so that he can buy time to get backup or otherwise outplay Olaf. It just doesn’t work. Or the thing you said.
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Apr 2, 2018 11:08
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Roach Warehouse posted:One of the things I really like about this show is how a lot of the locations the Beaudelaires visit give the impression they used to be thriving and pleasant. E.g. The Mill, (S2 locations:) the Village and the Carnival. But now it's like the world is falling into various states of ruin and misery because of short-sighted adults and/or secret society machinations. As I understand it, this is a common theme throughout gothic literature, which is what the series bases itself on.
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Apr 2, 2018 11:13
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Very Dark Souls.
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Waffleman_ posted:I bet you heard your notification bells ringing! The spring season is almost here, and that means new TV! Count on Netflix to bring you the good stuff. The service is proud to bring Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events back for a second season! On March 30, the show will be covering the next five books in the acclaimed series. Go alert your friends and they'll be ringing your doorbell for a viewing party soon! oh goddammit, I *just* noticed what you did here.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Personally, the saddest loss in this adaptation isn't the wonderful art style, or the strange little bits of postmodern experimental writing the books occasionally had, but the changes they've made to Lemony as a character. He's far more of an unreliable narrator in the books -- as a literary narrator he's an effete Eeyeor, the kind of person who considers cold soup to be as depressing as being eaten alive by leeches. He's likeable and earnest, but he's also self-important, obsessive and pedantic. Everything he writes is filtered through this constantly miserable perspective and so becomes impossible to take literally -- and that's before we get to fact that the story he's telling is educated guesswork shot through with missing, anecdotal or otherwise unreliable evidence. I've had a hard time putting into words why I don't like this portrayal of Snicket- but that's absolutely spot on.
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I love how the show uses the changes from the books and Netflix winks to keep up the tension for book readers. It was so easy for me to believe that Jacques Snicket might live to help the Baudelaires because why waste Nathan Filion on four episodes, or that Madame Lulu might live after having a season-long plot about her VFD education. But they still die. They did a great job this year of ramping up the bleakness. S3 book prediction: Mr. Poe explicitly says "I am not leaving this hotel" and then we see a burnt up bowler hat wash up on the Island
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Apr 2, 2018 14:51
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Mameluke posted:I love how the show uses the changes from the books and Netflix winks to keep up the tension for book readers. Yeah, it was sort of them building on the Quagmire fakeout in season 1.
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I thought the series so far has been a pretty accurate approximation of my experience with the book series, or at least as much as a TV show could manage. For some reason, I scoured the Unauthorized Autobiography cover to cover before even opening The Bad Beginning, and as a result, every time I recognized something in the Autobiography, stopped and compared the texts to try to find out what was really going on behind the scenes, which turns out was pretty similar to the show. I developed a sort of, what’s the word for a hopeful paranoia. Every new minor character, suspicious sound, or unassuming chest of drawers could be a secret agent in disguise invisibly helping by slipping the children peppermints or shuffling around departure times. The cork board in the opening credits is essentially how I read the books the first time through. It’s a little less exciting to just watch it presented to you rather than figuring it out yourself, but it was still fun to see these suspicions come to light. I could see how it might ruin someone’s idea of the lonesome, dismal isolation if that’s what you get out of the series, but it was never really that to me. In fact, it really highlights the disappointment of the latter half of the series when you find out that all these good, purposed people are fallible as anyone, no matter how noble and well-read they are. Plus, in spite of the series’ title, it was always pretty fortunate that, given the absolutely dire circumstances the children were constantly in, they kept making it out through the skin of their teeth. That they had a little help along the way sort of looped around to making more sense, even if the help was goofy and cartoonish. I want to add to the discussion about how infuriatingly unhelpful the Poe’s, and really any of the adults are in the series, and say that I love it. One of the really difficult and stressful parts of childhood is being powerless to a situation, and unable to articulate the problem to someone with the power to help. The great part about this series is that it takes the blame off the kids and shifts it to the adults for failing to engage. It’s really frustrating to an adult, but as a kid, you’re like, “Yeah, that’s about right.”
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Someone called Esme "White Tahani" and I've spent days in awe of the accuracy of the comparison.
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TrekBek posted:Someone called Esme "White Tahani" and I've spent days in awe of the accuracy of the comparison. oh my god that's who she kept reminding me of, that is absolutely it
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TrekBek posted:Someone called Esme "White Tahani" and I've spent days in awe of the accuracy of the comparison. I'd never felt offended on behalf of a fictional character before until i read your post, but also, you're right.
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I liked the second season a lot better than the first. I think it helps that I don’t quite remember the books past the first few very well. I spent most of the first season hemming and hawing over changes they made, whereas I couldn’t remember exactly what happened in the books for this one so I wasn’t sure if I was remembering it right or not. I wish I hadn’t checked IMDB mid-episode to figure out who played Madame Lulu because I totally forgot who she was in the books and would actually had been completely surprised by the reveal. Oh well!BioEnchanted posted:THere is a line in the Hostile Hospital that I wish was kept in when Klaus first gets the idea to disguise himself and Sunny - "We don't have to fool Olaf - we just have to fool everyone else!" They kinda hit on that when Klaus and Olaf bump into each other in disguise—they both immediately know who the other person is, but they can’t do anything because it would immediately give away their own disguise.
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Why did they use a take of Esme's actress flubbing a line in episode 4? Is she meant to be drunk?
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Which scene? Otherwise I'd say "because Esme's not a very good actress herself"
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Mameluke posted:Which scene? Otherwise I'd say "because Esme's not a very good actress herself" The bit where she's talking to the Baudelaire's about 10 minutes in. You're probably right though.
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I've read all the books and I think it just comes down to whether the TV show captures what you loved about the books, or misses it. For me it's nigh-on perfect as an adaptation, including Warburton. BUT. I read the books AFTER I'd watched season one. So maybe I wasn't as alert to changes as I would have been if I'd grown up with them. Certainly every time Watership Down gets adapted, I get mad about some stupid little thing.
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fractalairduct posted:oh goddammit, I *just* noticed what you did here. 
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Mameluke posted:"because Esme's not a very good actress herself" what the gently caress unless you mean the character of Esme?
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precision posted:what the gently caress That is what he meant Though I went and watched that scene and I'm still not sure what line she supposedly messed up.
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How dare you accuse Esme Gigi Genevieve Squalor of being a bad actress? Her acting coach is both talented and handsome.
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cptn_dr posted:How dare you accuse Esme Gigi Genevieve Squalor (the city's sixth most important financial advisor) of being a bad actress? Her acting coach is both talented and handsome.
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cptn_dr posted:How dare you accuse Esme Gigi Genevieve Squalor of being a bad actress? Her acting coach is both talented and handsome. She was runner-up in the "Most Likely To Be Banksy" contest!
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This show is pretty frustrating to watch, as the adults are soooo stupid that it doesn't even make sense. Like the other poster said, the villain's schemes rely on every adult being unbelievably stupid in order to work and that's just not fun to watch. Not to mention that NPH is simply unlikable in this show. There is virtually nothing entertaining about Olaf, almost all of his characters are extremely annoying/unlikeable. Esp Stefano and that "scatting detective" *shudders* The only times I actually enjoyed watching him were his coach Genghis character and his song about the carnival of freaks. Those were the ONLY times his characters were entertaining at all. And humor is interjected at the most awkward times. Like they make jokes in situations where they are about to do something extremely dark or disturbing and it's just like "are you really expecting the audience to laugh right now?"
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DrunkPanda posted:And humor is interjected at the most awkward times. Like they make jokes in situations where they are about to do something extremely dark or disturbing and it's just like "are you really expecting the audience to laugh right now?" 
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DrunkPanda posted:
They are, and I do
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DrunkPanda posted:This show is pretty frustrating to watch, as the adults are soooo stupid that it doesn't even make sense. Like the other poster said, the villain's schemes rely on every adult being unbelievably stupid in order to work and that's just not fun to watch. april fool's was two entire days ago my dude
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DrunkPanda posted:This show is pretty frustrating to watch, as the adults are soooo stupid that it doesn't even make sense. Like the other poster said, the villain's schemes rely on every adult being unbelievably stupid in order to work and that's just not fun to watch.[...] ASoUE is satire, a word which here means “exaggerates and enhances to the point of ridiculousness, which some people find amusing”. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, I’ll readily admit. If you’re looking for a series where people act logically, the bad guy is an anti villain with redeemable qualities, and there will be answers to all your questions with a satisfying ending... well, as the theme song clearly and repeatedly states: Look away.
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So why exactly does Olaf want the kids fortunes when his not-girlfriend is mega rich and would give him everything? I think she even said this herself at some point in one of the episodes. Who is this Beatrice person that the start of each episode writes to? What’s so special about a tea pot?
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You definitely have enough clues to figure the second one out at this point, and take some guesses about the third (though it's a SUGAR BOWL). As for the first, it's not really just about being rich for Olaf, it's about getting what he thinks he deserves, while also hurting those he thinks have wronged him.
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Olaf is a bitter ex.
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I still haven’t made it through the first episode of S2 because I can’t stand Carmelita. They did such a good job of making her hateable I end up switching to something else. This weekend I’ll grit my teeth and get through it.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I still haven’t made it through the first episode of S2 because I can’t stand Carmelita. They did such a good job of making her hateable I end up switching to something else. This weekend I’ll grit my teeth and get through it. What!? Carmelita is the loving best
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Steve2911 posted:Yeah there's something very latter-day Tim Burton about the show's style. Barry Sonnenfeld has a very distinct style and his influence is all over the show.
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Boris Galerkin posted:So why exactly does Olaf want the kids fortunes when his not-girlfriend is mega rich and would give him everything? I think she even said this herself at some point in one of the episodes. he doesnt just want a fortune, he wants the baudelaire and quagmire fortunes
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