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Would the world be a better place if the US pre-emptively striked the soviet union when they were still the only country in the world with nukes
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Mar 14, 2018 04:04
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Methanar posted:Would the world be a better place if the US pre-emptively striked the soviet union when they were still the only country in the world with nukes taking out moscow and st petersberg could have nipped the problem in the bud. maybe we'd have run around after instead of in korea.
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Mar 14, 2018 04:07
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the chief v2 posted:Even China who is still a very tightly controlled and hosed place has seen a big jump in living standards Well so has Russia over time. I think you're talking more politically/corruption wise?
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Mar 14, 2018 04:20
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Methanar posted:Serious answer is probably 24/7 subversion and sabotage by the US. That is not a serious answer lol. quote:Communism dragged a literal medieval peasant society with like 80% illiteracy to the entire population having a home, better food security (rip ukraine) and holding the entire world hostage with the threat of nuclear Armageddon in like, one generation. Industrialization and a lot of guns to heads achieved that. You saw the same sort of massive leaps in living standards, literacy etc in other parts of the world with somewhat or very different systems. It's not some super unique communism medicine or whatever you're attempting to say.
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Mar 14, 2018 04:24
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Creamed Cormp posted:so a guy with shady dealings die, obviously this means Putin is behind it, and not possibly one of the dozens of various mafias he had ratfucked over the years given the timing, yeah putin most likely had him killed, how is that hard to believe at all
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Mar 14, 2018 04:38
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Grape posted:That is not a serious answer lol. I thought the guns to heads thing was implied by communism.
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Mar 14, 2018 05:06
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Caganer posted:we'd wipe out a vast majority of their second strike capability. the casualties would be minimal and any second strike would be aimed at crippling invasion + C&C rather than rando population centers How long will it take to capture Moscow? 2 days Will Putin be killed? Yes Total Russian civillian casualties: 500 dead Total military casualties Russia: 3000 dead Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead Will the Russian army regulars hold the lines? No Will the Oligarchs fight to the end? No Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes Will Putin launch attacks on the Ukraine? Yes Will Putin launch attacks on Britain? No -If yes; will Britain retaliate harshly? Yes Will Putin sacrifice Moscow (gas/nuke it)? No Will the Chechens make a grab for independence? Yes Will China do anything silly like try for land? Yes Will Putin burn the oil fields? Yes How long will the US be occupying Russia? ~15 years Will the Russian war catalyze increased assassinations in Britain?No In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good
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Mar 14, 2018 05:06
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weg posted:This is a good article that describes what life is like just outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg. Spoilers: It's not great Outside of big cities which look/feel no different from US/Europe, the rest of Russia is below third world South America level. Like worse than the poorest country south of Mexico that you can find (and I've been to most). At least there the poor people can grow avocados or whatever all year long near their poorly built habitat (just need a roof really and you're good to go) and survive just fine. In Russia anything you plant outside is dead between October and May. It's also -40 outside in the winter so you need solidly built and well maintained/insulated house which is not cheap. If something breaks and you can't heat your house for a day, everyone dies. Also because of corruption all of the money is in the big cities and they don't share it with the rest of the country in any way. A random movie theater I pulled into last time in Moscow had ~40 Betleys and Rolls Royces in a ~150 spot parking lot. Drive 30 miles out and people are pulling water out of wells. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 06:56
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Rad Russian posted:Outside of big cities which look/feel no different from US/Europe, the rest of Russia is below third world South America level. Like worse than the poorest country south of Mexico that you can find (and I've been to most). At least there the poor people can grow avocados or whatever all year long near their poorly built habitat (just need a roof really and you're good to go) and survive just fine. In Russia anything you plant outside is dead between October and May. It's also -40 outside in the winter so you need solidly built and well maintained/insulated house which is not cheap. If something breaks and you can't heat your house for a day, everyone dies. Also because of corruption all of the money is in the big cities and they don't share it with the rest of the country in any way. Sounds like parts of Appalachia
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Mar 14, 2018 06:59
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The Pussy Boss posted:Wonder if this scandal will hurt Putin's chances in the upcoming election. lmao
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Mar 14, 2018 07:16
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Grape posted:That is not a serious answer lol. Some measures I've read didn't show much of a living standard increase pre ww2 - none in the countryside, a small amount in the urban centres. Industrial output increased a fair bit pre ww2, though the measures can sometimes mislead - if you look at the 20s a lot of the increase is from idle capital abandoned in the civil war being put back to use (by 1927 iirc it was only 80 percent of 1917 levels). Post NEP it did increase well beyond that level, but it came at the cost of a huge famine and massive dislocation as peasants were forced by economic controls to be a cheap workforce for cities.
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Mar 14, 2018 07:53
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war would suck but at least im old enough i wouldnt be drafted into a combat position right off the bat
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Mar 14, 2018 08:18
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numberoneposter posted:war would suck but at least im old enough i wouldnt be drafted into a combat position right off the bat Yes but you are ahead of every baby boomer in line. Don't tell God I said this, but better an international war than a civil war. Worse would be both, boy!
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Mar 14, 2018 08:20
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no one is going to war everyone calm down there is no money is MAD follow the money. putin is a crook and trump is literally run by the five families of new york MAD = NO MORE MONEY
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Mar 14, 2018 08:22
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numberoneposter posted:war would suck but at least im old enough i wouldnt be drafted into a combat position right off the bat i have an invisible illness that doesn't make me fat or unattractive but would probably disqualify me from the draft. i long for a huge lengthy conventional war every day so that all the able-bodied males depart and i am left to luxuriate in the clunge
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Mar 14, 2018 08:27
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*Hides novichok-7 & polonium 210 behind back* My friend, old people die all the time.
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Mar 14, 2018 08:27
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lol if you think think there will be a war, trump would never go against his daddy
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Mar 14, 2018 08:32
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Why have war when you can get that Putin dick whenever you beg for it?
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Mar 14, 2018 08:35
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Blistex posted:How long will it take to capture Moscow? 2 days nice
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Mar 14, 2018 09:14
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Grape posted:You saw the same sort of massive leaps in living standards, literacy etc in other parts of the world with somewhat or very different systems. It's not some super unique communism medicine or whatever you're attempting to say. Yeah dude what other country went from feudal agrarians to first man in space in a couple generations after going through two world wars fought on their soil?
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Mar 14, 2018 09:46
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Blistex posted:How long will it take to capture Moscow? 2 days
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Mar 14, 2018 10:21
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I gotta admit, Russia is pretty dodgy. Also, brazen as hell. I seem to remember that the lead suspect in the last poisoning a few years back got made into an MP in Russia, meaning the UK can't bring him back for questioning/justice, haha. Handy that.
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Mar 14, 2018 10:40
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Methanar posted:Would the world be a better place if the US pre-emptively striked the soviet union when they were still the only country in the world with nukes Keep in mind that the window between Nagasaki and USSR very publicly showing off their nuke tests was something like a couple weeks tops. Most of the time the US was the "only" country with The Bomb, the two nations counted as "allies", regardless of how much they distrusted each other.
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Mar 14, 2018 10:58
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Also I'm pretty sure the US dropped the only 2 bombs it had and it would have taken quite a while to make more and enough to actually make a realistic pre-emptive strike. Also we had no delivery system that wasn't "drop from a regular bomber" which only worked because we had eradicated all of Japan's air defenses
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Mar 14, 2018 11:03
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Choco1980 posted:Keep in mind that the window between Nagasaki and USSR very publicly showing off their nuke tests was something like a couple weeks tops. Most of the time the US was the "only" country with The Bomb, the two nations counted as "allies", regardless of how much they distrusted each other.
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Mar 14, 2018 11:18
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I dont see a problem with a former spy possible double agent getting murdered by his/her former/current employer I expect it!
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Mar 14, 2018 11:33
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Choco1980 posted:Keep in mind that the window between Nagasaki and USSR very publicly showing off their nuke tests was something like a couple weeks tops. Most of the time the US was the "only" country with The Bomb, the two nations counted as "allies", regardless of how much they distrusted each other. Wiki says their first test was Aug 29 1949, that's 4 years after Nagasaki.
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Mar 14, 2018 11:34
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wow the country that -has a pretty lovely climate, a huge landmass with a bunch of ethnic groups that don't necessarily like each other, lovely access to seas (either iced over 6 months in the year or on the opposite side of the country from where 90% of the population lives) -was ruled for centuries by an incompetent political caste that saw themselves as a different species from the common people and thus saw no reason to improve their quality of life -was absolutely unprepared for WWI and lost a shitload of able young men, resources and money -then had a revolution that killed even more, with foreign powers intervening to make it even shittier for the russian people -then went through a time of questionable economic reforms -then went through Stalinism -went through WWII, when the eternal kraut murdered millions of innocent civilians, because, and I'd like to repeat it for those in the back, a widely held belief in germany at the time was that inferior people were to be eliminated to make room for the master race, this is something a significant majority of germans belived in. -had to fight their way to victory in an immensely costly war that killed even more of their population -wow look at all this territory they gained. it's great! oh wait now we have to rebuild everything, and they hate us. -hey china will be their friend now oh wait no they hate them -oh well at least now the world will be at peace and the capitalists will let the soviet union develop itself without constantly trying to destroy it- oh poo poo vietnam, oh poo poo a billion other conflicts oh poo poo the us now has the atom bomb, I guess they are going to have to spend a shitload of money in a very cool and good armament race -had america support the literal loving talebans because the idea of an afghanistan ruled by socialists instead of islamist warlords displeased them. -had to go through a very lovely collapse of the soviet union where oligarchs stole everything for themselves and let ordinary people to rot. is not as rich as the US? color me shocked. Maybe there is something to the russian character that makes them inferior, like the germans thought 80 years ago?
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Mar 14, 2018 11:45
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Creamed Cormp posted:wow the country that Nice racism, brah.
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Mar 14, 2018 11:56
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Creamed Cormp posted:wow the country that the 'ussr was extremely lovely and collapsed only because of those mean old capitalists' meme has remained spicy for decades
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Mar 14, 2018 11:58
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Creamed Cormp posted:is not as rich as the US? color me shocked. Maybe there is something to the russian character that makes them inferior, like the germans thought 80 years ago? well they keep loving up this badly over and over again. its either something about the russians, or maybe that particular piece of land is cursed?!
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Mar 14, 2018 12:00
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also russia started sucking well before WW1. look up the Russo-japanese war
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Mar 14, 2018 12:03
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Rutibex posted:also russia started sucking well before WW1. look up the Russo-japanese war that's kind of what I was talking about when I was talking about how incompetent the tsars were, hth lmao sending the baltic navy to the far east
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Mar 14, 2018 12:20
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WonderfulWino posted:I dont see a problem with a former spy possible double agent getting murdered by his/her former/current employer I said this exact same thing at my last exit interview when I was fired for stealing a pallet of Taco Bell Fire Sauce.
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