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goddamnedtwisto posted:Charles the Bald, Ethelread the Unready, and Edward Longshanks all up in heaven angrily demanding to have a word. Also Unready does not mean what you think it does here
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exmachina posted:Also Unready does not mean what you think it does here It actually means the opposite of Ethelred, proving that terrible political dad jokes date back some time (unready in this sense is "poorly advised", for the benefit of the thread)
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Feb 20, 2021 15:52
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Kchama posted:It's pretty likely that the worst stuff attested to Nero was :stdh: because that's just what happened when someone got couped for whatever reason. You either destroyed his name from history or made up as much poo poo about it as possible so no one could ever think he was good. And the big stuff he was hated for was raising taxes to spend money on the poor. He was still popular enough that a bunch of potential claimants to the throne after his suicide called themselves Nero II. Nero believed that Christians were telling the truth about the rite of holy communion and treated them like the cannibals they thought they were. Then he had a Christian vivisected and his stomach contents examined before writing a treatise on how it's just crackers and wine.
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Big Hubris posted:Nero believed that Christians were telling the truth about the rite of holy communion and treated them like the cannibals they thought they were. Then he had a Christian vivisected and his stomach contents examined before writing a treatise on how it's just crackers and wine. I've never thought about it like that...why do they want to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ?
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Feb 20, 2021 23:09
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Transubstantiation if you’re a Catholic. The bread and wine becomes the body and blood. It’s a reading of the last supper
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Feb 20, 2021 23:25
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tigersklaw posted:Transubstantiation if you’re a Catholic. The bread and wine becomes the body and blood. It’s a reading of the last supper Yes I know. But why? What is the religious conviction that says "to tell someone you really appreciate them, eat their flesh and drink their blood"?
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Feb 20, 2021 23:34
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Ola posted:Yes I know. But why? What is the religious conviction that says "to tell someone you really appreciate them, eat their flesh and drink their blood"? until then animal sacrifices served that purpose, the idea is ritualizing away the slaughter of an unblemished calf or whatever by replacing it with a ceremony where you drink and eat symbols of blood and flesh like much of the bible it sounds weirder if you divorce it from the historical context
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Feb 20, 2021 23:50
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What VitalSigns said. It’s basically Christ cutting out the middleman. You don’t actually have to slaughter a goat for God anymore, just eat this and drink that and it’s the same thing
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Feb 20, 2021 23:53
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Jews did (and still do) the bread and wine thing, Christ took that and elevated by giving it more meaning.
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Feb 21, 2021 00:02
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Yea I'm not an expert on it, but isn't one of the deals with the Old Testament that if you gave God a better sacrifice he liked you more. So if you're trying to give your Jewish sect mass appeal one thing you can do is tell poor people, slaves, etc that you don't have to even own a single goat to get good with God, everyone get get some bread and lovely wine once a year and that's good enough. Same reason they got rid of a bunch of other rules which are fine for an insular exclusive ethnic religion, but not so great for building mass appeal if you make people do Weird poo poo to join like cut off the ends of their dicks.
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Feb 21, 2021 01:37
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VitalSigns posted:Yea I'm not an expert on it, but isn't one of the deals with the Old Testament that if you gave God a better sacrifice he liked you more. So if you're trying to give your Jewish sect mass appeal one thing you can do is tell poor people, slaves, etc that you don't have to even own a single goat to get good with God, everyone get get some bread and lovely wine once a year and that's good enough. You could certainly draw that conclusion from Genesis, and the story of Cain and Abel. Like anything thousands of years, that's been hashed over and interpreted and translated many times, there are many interpretations of what that means. You could also easily interpret the whole thing to mean that God is not just down with incest but actually required it.
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Feb 21, 2021 02:23
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Big Hubris posted:Nero believed that Christians were telling the truth about the rite of holy communion and treated them like the cannibals they thought they were. Then he had a Christian vivisected and his stomach contents examined before writing a treatise on how it's just crackers and wine. He believed in magic ghosts enough that he thought he aught to check and be sure.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:04
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Murgos posted:He believed in magic ghosts enough that he thought he aught to check and be sure. To be fair people were willing to die and be cut open because they believed in it.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:05
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VitalSigns posted:Yea I'm not an expert on it, but isn't one of the deals with the Old Testament that if you gave God a better sacrifice he liked you more. So if you're trying to give your Jewish sect mass appeal one thing you can do is tell poor people, slaves, etc that you don't have to even own a single goat to get good with God, everyone get get some bread and lovely wine once a year and that's good enough. No, that's absolutely not what's going on. The temple sacrifices had been on hold for a long time, even when Jesus was around, because they could only be done in THE temple in Jerusalem, which by that point had been knocked over twice by invading armies. Jews were (and still are) awaiting a third temple, because there's certain preconditions that need to be met before the third temple can be built, and they're very cryptic, which is why there isn't a third temple in Jerusalem despite Israel now existing. What Jesus was doing was taking a known Jewish ritual, the Kiddush, which is a ritual Jews said on Shabbat over a cup of wine and/or Challah bread. This thanks God for granting them the day of rest on Shabbat. Because it's done weekly it's probably the most well known Jewish ritual. There's also a strong argument that the last supper was a Jewish Seder, though I don't think the texts explicitly say it was. Regardless, Jesus was taking a ritual the apostles were very familiar with and making it more divine and personal, saying that this was not mere bread and wine but part of him, making it pure divinity itself. It sounds really convoluted to us today but at the time it would make absolute sense to contemporary Jews what he was doing. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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ah ok very interesting thanks
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Feb 21, 2021 03:43
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RagnarokAngel posted:No, that's absolutely not what's going on. The temple sacrifices had been on hold for a long time, even when Jesus was around, because they could only be done in THE temple in Jerusalem, which by that point had been knocked over twice by invading armies. Jews were (and still are) awaiting a third temple, because there's certain preconditions that need to be met before the third temple can be built, and they're very cryptic, which is why there isn't a third temple in Jerusalem despite Israel now existing. The destruction of the second temple was after Jesus life in 70 ad. That’s why John is different than the synoptic gospels.
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exmachina posted:Also Unready does not mean what you think it does here Charles the Bald was also pretty hairy, it's just a joke about nicknames and those were the first three less-than-complimentary sounding names I could remember.
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Feb 21, 2021 10:38
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Good flesh/blood explanations, thanks.
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Feb 21, 2021 12:41
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pseudanonymous posted:The destruction of the second temple was after Jesus life in 70 ad. That’s why John is different than the synoptic gospels. Youre right, I shouldn't do history lessons so late. Stand by the rest of it tho
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Feb 21, 2021 15:00
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pseudanonymous posted:The destruction of the second temple was after Jesus life in 70 ad. That’s why John is different than the synoptic gospels. Ah so were talking about Q again.
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Feb 22, 2021 11:32
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https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1364444391939563525?s=21 Q was never real, nor is he a website, guys. They spent a whole day looking.
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Feb 24, 2021 12:57
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Lincoln Project valiantly limping on, I see. Do they have anyone left in charge who hasn’t resigned because of their rapist boss?
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Feb 24, 2021 14:01
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Rick Wilson who has been riding the Never Trump grift very well without in any way changing his reprehensible views.
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https://twitter.com/USMarshalsHQ/status/1364228801232842756
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MadJackal posted:https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1364444391939563525?s=21 1984 style gaslight and lies while 1/3rd the country tries to convince the other 2/3rds that '"No, we aren't actually just changing the entire premise of government and social contract in this country under your nose." From quote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. To "Lol, get hosed out groups and gently caress your elections too." I feel like I am going crazy that this is just wandering along in plain view. From Ron Johnson's reading an alt-right blog into the record about how it was actually the cops that instigated Jan 06 riots to chuckle-head here saying, "Welp, Q doesn't have a .com url so it doesn't exist." to people using a butane lighter that deposits soot on snow to say that Biden actually created the texas snow storm after he gave China access to the Texas (private) power grid. It's literally getting crazier as we move out of the Trump admin.
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Feb 24, 2021 15:48
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It's certainly louder, but this has existed in the American id for a long, long time. We've been a racist shithole since we started, and we've been full of paranoid, ignorant jerks from day 1.
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MadJackal posted:https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1364444391939563525?s=21 Turn on your monitor...?
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Proust Malone posted:Turn ftfy
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Feb 24, 2021 18:15
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Hey everybody! Qanon never existed all along! Please forget about all that and watch fox news again.... 
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Feb 24, 2021 18:35
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If the lie that QAnon was never a thing is what allows sad dummies to disentangle themselves from it and move on, that's acceptable to me. I feel there's no happy ending of contrition and self-improvement for most of them, we're working within the bounds of their diminished emotional grammar. Many people cope by denial and rewriting their personal history. Gaslight away, Fox News. Nonetheless I hope we can destroy you.
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^^^Conservatives are destroying it themselves^^^ Since they always double down, a good % of them have decided that FOX is too liberal now since they (mostly) dared to call the 2020 election legitimate and now need Newsmax and OANN to get their fix. quote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. I mean it says "men" twice right there though. Duh. No mention of that other half of the population and certainly nothing about transgendered people. Why do you hate the Declaration of Independence so much with your fancy pants women's rights issues and insist on inventing new genders? Female to male trans folks are obviously just trying to game the system to get their inalienable rights. Also, I went looking for the leaders of Antifa and BLM but there's no official websites with a "contact us" and "what we do" link so those things obviously must not exist.
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Feb 24, 2021 20:06
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It says Governments. Maybe some other government doesn't follow whatever a fat senile diaper man says, bit they're probably unamerican socialists.
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Feb 24, 2021 20:47
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The X-man cometh posted:It says Governments. Maybe some other government doesn't follow whatever a fat senile diaper man says, bit they're probably unamerican socialists. Ah, yes. The old "no Homers" defense reversed. Clever men those founding fathers.
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Can anyone tell me what the Q Dorks think the snow in Texas is if it isn't snow? Is it something really loving stupid?
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Feb 25, 2021 00:15
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Fox can't find news even if it looks in a mirror.
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Feb 25, 2021 00:23
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I was under the impression that morons generally just thought it was artificial snow, presumably to gin up a disaster to politically embarrass the conservative leadership of Texas. But who knows, maybe it’s full of Bill Gates 5G mind control vaccine autism or something.
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Do they think the cold is fake too or what? I mean is just rain when it's below freezing.
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TulliusCicero posted:Can anyone tell me what the Q Dorks think the snow in Texas is if it isn't snow? quote:TikTok Users Are Burning Snowballs in Viral Videos to 'Prove' the Snow is Fake https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-users-are-burning-snowballs-in-viral-videos-to-p-1846322841
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It's them being unfamiliar with snow and why won't snow behave the way I think it ought to. Also just outright denial, like when someone microwaved snow, saw it melt, then still said they don't believe it.
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TulliusCicero posted:Can anyone tell me what the Q Dorks think the snow in Texas is if it isn't snow? Government controlled...uh...Bill Gates...something something....fake news climate change...and uh..Antifa Hillary vaccine socialism? Yeah that. Coming up next on Hannity, Dinesh S'Souza, Rudy Giuliani and James O'Keefe will answer this very question that the lamestream media is ignoring. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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