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We've also seen elves.. edit: dark myr, halflings, and skar have not been showing in any streams as of yet to my knowledge.
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They should just leave a couple races out for expansions/DLC. Dark Myr and Skar both seem EQ expansion-y.
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Not sure why they didn't just call them dark elves, and skar are obviously the iksar.
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Ehud posted:They should just leave a couple races out for expansions/DLC. Can I get a guild invite?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Given the size of the dev team, the huge world actually worked against the game. There were a few out of the way dungeons that were straight up never populated. Most likely because the guy working on it quit/was laid off and no one had the time to pick up what he was working on. But that was the best part! You could go on bona fide archaeological expeditions in Vanguard, exploring massive unfinished dungeons, cities and areas, discovering clues to the epic storylines that they should have contained. To enter them, you would frequently have to seek out wise explorers, who could tell you how to die in juuust the right spot, so you could respawn on the other side of the wall or whatever. The world needs more massive unfinished MMORPGS, for that emergent exploration gameplay experience. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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With Brad at the helm I don't think it being unfinished is going to be a concern.
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Jimbot posted:That game's sky boxes and volumetric clouds were pretty incredible, even by today's standards. I remember seeing a video that just play a day/night cycle from that game at 3 or 4x the speed and it was amazing looking. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who though this.
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SimonChris posted:But that was the best part! You could go on bona fide archaeological expeditions in Vanguard, exploring massive unfinished dungeons. cities and areas, discovering clues to the epic storylines that they should have contained. To enter them, you would frequently have to seek out wise explorers, who could tell you how to die in juuust the right spot, so you could respawn on the other side of the wall or whatever. There was a dungeon on the kung fu island that fits this description perfectly. I don't know the name of it, but on the outside it just looks like a ruined temple. Pretty nondescript and to be honest you don't realize it's a dungeon until you're down underground fighting. You get inside and fight undead samurai and statues that look like Mogu from WoW. It was huge. I remember my static group fighting through this dungeon all day and it just kept going and going. Then, by some crazy chance we clicked on a statue and some hidden wall opened up which unlocked an even bigger dungeon below. We camped out inside the dungeon for the night and came back the next day. It took us another 5 hours or so to crawl through this second wing and I'm pretty sure we didn't even cover half of it. It was massive. We scooped up so much loot that we were having to pick and choose what to keep and what to destroy. The best part was, this particular dungeon was waaaaaay out of the way and nobody really went there, especially the deep parts. Everyone went to the Emperor's Tomb instead. We completely missed out on that dungeon. Vanguard was the greatest MMO commanded by the worst people and came out way before it's time. If Pantheons world can emulate the size and scale of Vanguards they may have a shot at holding a steady niche community together. It won't, but an old man can dream.
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forge posted:Not sure why they didn't just call them dark elves, and skar are obviously the iksar. I look forward to the deity system, with totally new and unheard of gods like- Innyruuk and Tazic Chule
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Little bit of footage from the new zone at Pax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyZggrryKnU
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At this point I have a hard time seeing gameplay getting any better. I'd rather get an idea how long they expect people to level, what kind of gear variety we're looking at, how they're going to handle overcrowding, hours that aren't prime time, and other ways to keep people interested other than shouting LFG in a zone for hours.
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This is basically EQ1 recreated. If you hated EQ1 then you might as well move on. They already stated that there won't be instances and overcrowding will be handled the same way it was back in the day. Go somewhere else, wait, or create your own group and push others out. I think what has been said in all the streams I've watched is that the zones can now be gigantic unlike back when. So dungeons, etc will all be quite larger. When people post poo poo about this now days, thinking back, I feel like somehow we managed just fine. This is my last hope for bringing back something other than mmos where you roll your face across the keyboard and win.
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forge posted:This is basically EQ1 recreated. If you hated EQ1 then you might as well move on. I can understand why they want to do the 100% non instanced dungeons, but I really wish they would do like they did for the early EQ2 dungeons where most of it was non instanced, but the final encounter with the big bad was so a single group couldn't shut everyone else out of setting the big bad guy for hours at a time. In any case, here's hoping they adopt some of the good things that came after EQ. I would be very cross if warriors went back to 'taunt every 3 seconds, kick /bash every 10, wait for auto attack otherwise you chump'.
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Hexel posted:i miss seeing 80+ people in the dreadlands "Gorenaire to zone"
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DeathSandwich posted:I can understand why they want to do the 100% non instanced dungeons, but I really wish they would do like they did for the early EQ2 dungeons where most of it was non instanced, but the final encounter with the big bad was so a single group couldn't shut everyone else out of setting the big bad guy for hours at a time. If you watch their last video, in the one dungeon they showed that is pretty much complete. At the boss a giant door falls and locks you in with the boss. I'm not saying you can't cheese it and run in. But they are taking some steps to keep others out while your fighting the boss. That might just be that zone only as we have not really seen anything else. They have skills beside kick and bash, it uses stamina which regens. So you get to choose what you need to do but you can't just roll your face over the keyboard with 0.5s delays. I would say it looked like it took about 10 seconds to regen from 0. I think you could probably perform about 3 actions before 100% sta is used. Again all this just by watching the videos. Exp looks much higher than original EQ as well. No idea on hell levels.
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New gameplay stream on Thursday https://twitter.com/pantheonmmo/status/986650243075923968?s=21
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forge posted:If you watch their last video, in the one dungeon they showed that is pretty much complete. At the boss a giant door falls and locks you in with the boss. I'm not saying you can't cheese it and run in. But they are taking some steps to keep others out while your fighting the boss. That might just be that zone only as we have not really seen anything else. Is less so about keeping others from loving with you while you camp the proverbial throne room waiting for the boss and more so about preventing one group from running a monopoly on the throne room encounter for hours on end. My preference would be for the final encounter of the dungeon to be both a stout challenge and also something everyone can access without calling a camp. Everything else in the dungeon? Sure, who cares, open dungeon for all the rest of that bullshit. At the very least I would hope for like a EQ1 Plane of Justice style events that sucks your group into a separate area for a little one off challenge for a modicum of a reward.
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The fact that there will be camps again is music to my ears. I don't get the issue with a group running a monopoly, since you have to actually fight to the boss which is not easy. The point of open world is to make items actually rare, and cause contention with other players. Just roll up and ks them, who cares. Edit: also unlike wow, back in eq good items were not always on the boss. For instance mage items dropped off of one type of mob, rogue might be on another. There were a lot of different bosses in the zones which dropped a rarity of gear. So the end boss quote unquote, might not even really be the best for your class. Guano Harvester anyone? forge fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Visiting the forums for this game and there's a thread about how loot all buttons kill immersion. Something I never would have even considered.
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forge posted:The fact that there will be camps again is music to my ears. I don't get the issue with a group running a monopoly, since you have to actually fight to the boss which is not easy. The point of open world is to make items actually rare, and cause contention with other players. Just roll up and ks them, who cares. I like this guy. Are you LFG?
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forge posted:The fact that there will be camps again is music to my ears. I don't get the issue with a group running a monopoly, since you have to actually fight to the boss which is not easy. The point of open world is to make items actually rare, and cause contention with other players. Just roll up and ks them, who cares. You know how open pvp usually leads to the sheep leaving the server, until there's only wolves, and then the wolves leave when the better wolves win? There's a pve version of this. It happens when a few big guilds want the same open world bosses for their loot. At best, you get everyone to "agree" to a calendar that regulates when which guilds get to farm what. Otherwise, everyone tries to kill steal and you get something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opl77bP7vbY
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Huh. I always thought Cloudsong was a WoW thing. Who knew. It sounds like the name of a bow.
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Cloudsong was a artifact cloak in the second DAoC expansion. Artifacts were special items that you had to level up and they had a chance to drop from certain monsters, a lot like powerful items in EQ. The cloudsong video is about someone on the DAoC full pvp server being killed while camping the NPC that drops Cloudsong and then the killers get a cloudsong from the monster and the killed player goes on their teamspeak or whatever and is real mad. iirc it's staged tho If I remember right the artifact fights weren't on insanely long timers and didn't necessarily need a group, a lot of them were possible to solo and on normal servers they were in PvE-only zones. They were hotspots on the full pvp servers though and Cloudsong was both really in demand and pretty close to a portal hub, so a lot of loving cloudsongs got stolen Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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Freakazoid_ posted:You know how open pvp usually leads to the sheep leaving the server, until there's only wolves, and then the wolves leave when the better wolves win? poo poo happened all the time in EQ1, I had specifically created a monk and leveled up to max, guild geared him etc just so I could train other guilds with him and my druid to fight for raid bosses. Ssra temple was the
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MF_James posted:poo poo happened all the time in EQ1, I had specifically created a monk and leveled up to max, guild geared him etc just so I could train other guilds with him and my druid to fight for raid bosses. Ssra temple was the That's the thing though: That sort of stuff was fine for me in high school, but I've got way less tolerance for it now. One guild being able to monopolize content like that and actively body block people from seeing the endgame sounds deeply unfun in the context of modern MMOs.
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Pantheon will eventually change course and go to how Everquest is now where you can solo all content and hire a mercenary to fight with you. Pantheon's design decisions won't work in the year 2018 because everyone who liked that sort of gameplay was a kid or young adult in college and had the time to do the crazy poo poo that classic Everquest required of them.
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I said come in! posted:Pantheon will eventually change course and go to how Everquest is now where you can solo all content and hire a mercenary to fight with you. Pantheon's design decisions won't work in the year 2018 because everyone who liked that sort of gameplay was a kid or young adult in college and had the time to do the crazy poo poo that classic Everquest required of them. And what makes you think highschoolers and early 20's people won't go at this? As long as the interface isn't circa 2002 you can probably garner in the younger generation with time on their hands.
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Holyshoot posted:And what makes you think highschoolers and early 20's people won't go at this? As long as the interface isn't circa 2002 you can probably garner in the younger generation with time on their hands. Because better games exist now so you aren't forced to play that if you want an MMO.
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This thread.. I can't get any bosses because there are so many people camping them. No one is going to play this game because it's made for 50 year olds. Imagine when it's just a little bit of both and everything works out fine..
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Lets be real, this game is going to shut down in similar style to Vanguard.
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Ehud posted:Gameplay stream is live: Watching the replay. The artist style reminds me a ton of Vanguard, and it appears to play very similar to Vanguard and Everquest. I like what I am seeing, I just have zero faith this game will last.
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I think it's different enough from anything else on the market that it could be pretty popular if it it makes it to release and doesn't suck. Vanguard came out a couple weeks after Burning Crusade released and had to compete with Age of Conan and Warhammer Online within the first couple years. If Pantheon comes out in 2020 there probably won't be anything like it on the horizon besides the newest WoW expansion. I think the biggest challenge will be making a big cool world that isn't a buggy mess. As far as I know the Visionary Realms team is still pretty tiny by mmo standards
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Flavahbeast posted:I think it's different enough from anything else on the market that it could be pretty popular if it it makes it to release and doesn't suck. Vanguard came out a couple weeks after Burning Crusade released and had to compete with Age of Conan and Warhammer Online within the first couple years. If Pantheon comes out in 2020 there probably won't be anything like it on the horizon besides the newest WoW expansion. It's a generic fantasy hardcore MMO. There really isn't anything unique about it. There's nothing else like it on the market because companies know better than the waste money on it. Games like UO and EQ only worked because there weren't better alternatives at the time. Brad doesn't exactly have a reputation for releasing non-buggy mess completed games. If it does eventually get released it will maybe limp along with a few hundred players, especially if they want a subscription model. Edit: Also a reminder that they tried to use kickstarter for it and barely got over 50% of their 800k goal. Woolwich Bagnet fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Minnesota Mixup posted:It's a generic fantasy hardcore MMO. There really isn't anything unique about it. There's nothing else like it on the market because companies know better than the waste money on it. I think it's not really because it's hardcore. I think most investors who have the money already got burned on the "My mmo I invested in didn't get wow subs in 2010 and I lost a poo poo ton of money". I don't think really anyone is investing in mmos currently which is why almost all of them are crowd funded. So being hardcore or not isn't really it. I don't think people who invest are wasting money on any mmo. I think the main reason the kickstarter failed was that this is post Star Citizen and Brad has a not all that good rep. I had money to piss away and didn't back because he had no game to show and I was already around for Vanguard, and really EQ. Where as now he has a decent game to show and from what I can tell, pretty competent devs now working there. Times change.. I don't know that I believe him anymore now than before. But I certainly can tell Joppa is a drat good dev and in charge of most everything.
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