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Just rewatched the episode the first time since seeing it live. For some reason I was a lot more moved by it this time. Maybe it was because of the adrenaline of not knowing what was going to happen the first time and now I was able to absorb it more. A few thoughts; the acting of course was brilliant. The fact that they could pull off several long silent sections or just music is really a testimony of just how drat good they all were. How much they can communicate with just their facial expressions. - Elizabeth's exhale in the beginning when she agrees with Philip that they need to leave Henry - The whole garage scene - The fact that they never lied down when Stan told them probably saved their lives if not allowed their escape - "you were my only friend in my..in my whole lovely life" - The pain in Philip's voice "I'm leaving my son because I got caught" - Telling Henry on the phone "be yourself" because Phil could not be himself for so long I'm going to miss this show.
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Just watched it and wow I really liked it, still processing through a lot of the same questions though. Really bad tradecraft not having a rendezvous point for their daughter, though. BIG HEADLINE posted:They could go the Graphic Novel route like Jericho. anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:Lol if that wasn't some contrived McDonald's product placement. Mulva posted:Liz dedicated her life to a dream that her nation will poo poo on in the most egregious way. Her nation's leadership will sell out everything in the search for DOLLAR DOLLAR BILLS YA'LL, it's culture will embrace the Western trappings she hated to the core of her being, and the world will make a mad sprint to abandon the Communist ideals she fully embraces. And she has years before that eventuality where the Soviet Union is still a thing, and she gets to watch what an abject failure it really was as a government. Like it can be cathartic or frightening to look at some of our current government's and decry their failure and incompetence, but the Soviets lost the thread on a whole other level. There's nothing unfixable in America or Britain or most other places you care to name. Liz is going to have a few years before they finally just write it off to see the government she sold her body and soul for just collapse, utterly, on even the most basic level.
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Jun 11, 2018 01:26
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Hed posted:I’m sure it’s pretty but I did have to laugh that every time they film in “Russia” just how far do they have to go to make the environment look like such a complete wasteland. a lot of the time they just use a blue filter and don't do much else. like there are a ton of "Russian" scenes that are very obviously Brooklyn but you aren't likely to notice on the first watch unless you are paying attention to the buildings in the background instead of the characters and then you'll notice they are walking past Catholic churches and brownstones. the Moscow airport was Pratt
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Jun 11, 2018 02:07
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I feel the Stan and Henry spinoff should be called ‘Beeman and Son*’. Maybe they could become PIs in a multicam sitcom. Featuring Mail Robot, of course.
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Jun 11, 2018 02:30
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Crime procedural where Paige uses her spy training to insinuate herself (in disguise) into weekly white collar crime cases Stan can't solve and get things done off the book. There's just something familiar about this helpful roguish snoop, but Stan just can't place it.
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Jun 11, 2018 08:43
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Some of the notable deaths in the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrnq31SPYA It is nowhere near the full list, but man, this show was brutal. EL BROMANCE posted:I feel the Stan and Henry spinoff should be called ‘Beeman and Son*’. Maybe they could become PIs in a multicam sitcom. Featuring Mail Robot, of course. The mail robot is the chief and hands out the casefiles.
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Jun 11, 2018 12:30
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Mail Robot becomes a real boy, is appointed head of the FBI, final scene is it looking at a framed portrait of Gaad hanging in its office.
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Jun 11, 2018 17:53
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I wonder if that stuff about Henry breaking into the neighbors house and being "really into computers" was a potential recruitment plot idea they were going to do something with and then abandoned, or just some sort of red herring
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Jun 11, 2018 20:20
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Earwicker posted:I wonder if that stuff about Henry breaking into the neighbors house and being "really into computers" was a potential recruitment plot idea they were going to do something with and then abandoned, or just some sort of red herring Or it was just a "oh man we need a Henry plot..." kind of a day. Who knows?
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Jun 11, 2018 20:32
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Man, I never watched the show with as deep an understanding of the issues as you guys. I was just upset that the Jennings were never caught and tried. I think that was the payoff I wanted from the beginning of the show.
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Jun 11, 2018 20:46
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I mean it definitely sucks that they got away with murdering all those innocent people.
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Jun 11, 2018 22:56
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Earwicker posted:I wonder if that stuff about Henry breaking into the neighbors house and being "really into computers" was a potential recruitment plot idea they were going to do something with and then abandoned, or just some sort of red herring I feel like they realized Henry's actor was not very good so they sent him off to boarding school where, at most, he'd have to stand and talk on a phone.
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Jun 13, 2018 11:51
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I thought Henry's actor actually ended up fine, at least for a computer geek type, so I was kinda bummed they never did anything with him being good with computers.
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Jun 13, 2018 15:01
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I feel like Henry was just there so that they could make the choice to leave him at the end. Like the writers knew generally how they wanted the series to end, and in order to do it the way they wanted, they needed to have two kids. But that's about it. It was almost comical how ignored that poor kid was in the show, but it didn't really make the show less enjoyable. I'm just glad Paige didn't stay as annoying as she was during the Pastor Tim years.
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Jun 13, 2018 17:43
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I got halfway through season 5 and I was like where the gently caress is Henry? It was weird and I actually thought it would be a serious plot point.
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Jun 13, 2018 18:24
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I had assumed the kid was just busy doing some other show, like when they had to write Claudia out for a couple seasons because Margo Martindale was doing The Millers, but I didn't care about him enough to bother looking up what it was
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Jun 13, 2018 18:52
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I mean all he really needed to do in the entire series was sell the shot of him during the montage of Stan breaking the news and I thought he nailed it.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:29
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The kid grew like a weed over the course of the series and broke his foot (leg?) one year, which is why he spent so much time sitting. Plus, by the fifth season the writing team leaned into the "Where's Henry" joke.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:34
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banned from Starbucks posted:I mean all he really needed to do in the entire series was sell the shot of him during the montage of Stan breaking the news and I thought he nailed it. My only complaint about the finale is that we didn't get any actual dialogue for this. I really really wanted to watch Stan tell Henry "so it turns out your parents were soviet spies, they've fled the country, and you're never going to see them again." It would be such a left-field thing for Henry to hear he'd probably think it was a joke and coming from Stan who's a bit socially awkward and probably not very good with delivering emotional news like that it would have been hilarious and awesome
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similarly, one of the few things that kind of disappoints me is that Stan never found out that it was Philip who seduced and married Martha. I understand why, but still his reaction would have been hilarious
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:This is a cop out, and every showrunner pulls it. "Oh, we want to leave it to the viewer to decide that." Dude, this is your story. I already have an imagination. But you're the ones who actually made the show, you tell me where the characters are going. I really wish that people for once would sit down, after the show airs, and pull back the curtain and be like "actually, we had this 7 page outline of background for Renee, and here's the outline of where we saw Paige going, which explains why she got off the train, and here's how Henry really took the news..." etc. I just think "we'll leave that up to you to decide" is dangerously close to "we couldn't figure it out either, so we'll deflect from it." That part isn't really "their story" because it hasn't been written. They probably think, with some justification, that saying "we imagine this can happen in the future" is essentially meaningless. Until it's written, it isn't "real".
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Earwicker posted:similarly, one of the few things that kind of disappoints me is that Stan never found out that it was Philip who seduced and married Martha. I understand why, but still his reaction would have been hilarious There could have been an epilogue where Martha gets out of Russia-cum-Soviet Union because everyone is too busy to worry about her.
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Jun 14, 2018 16:56
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howe_sam posted:The kid grew like a weed over the course of the series and broke his foot (leg?) one year, which is why he spent so much time sitting. Plus, by the fifth season the writing team leaned into the "Where's Henry" joke. You could tell me that the only reason Henry was in the show was to set up the joke last season where Phillip and Elizabeth are stunned silent by the news that he is smart, and I would consider that worth it.
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I assume that they decided, right off the bat, that they wanted the standard 'nuclear' family; husband, wife, two kids. So they filled those rolls. Then, as they went through the act of actually creating each seasons worth of content, they couldn't figure out anything to do with him.
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TheCenturion posted:I assume that they decided, right off the bat, that they wanted the standard 'nuclear' family; husband, wife, two kids. So they filled those rolls. Then, as they went through the act of actually creating each seasons worth of content, they couldn't figure out anything to do with him. Plus him hitting puberty and growing like 2 feet between seasons didn't help.
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esperterra posted:Plus him hitting puberty and growing like 2 feet between seasons didn't help. I can't imagine that any showrunner is surprised when their young actors or actresses go through puberty.
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Jun 14, 2018 20:53
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Of course not, but it hit him hard and fast for how young his character was supposed to be still. One season he was a little kid and the next he's towering over everyone lmao
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esperterra posted:Of course not, but it hit him hard and fast for how young his character was supposed to be still. One season he was a little kid and the next he's towering over everyone lmao that happened to me between 7th and 8th grade
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Fair. I could be misrembering timeline from earlier seasons, but I don't think much time was meant to have passed between seasons when it happened. It's not a big deal ofc and happens with child actors all the time, but I imagine it made it a little more difficult to decide what to do with Henry. I feel like he spent that whole season sitting in front of a computer to try and mitigate it lmao
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Jun 14, 2018 20:59
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Think the two big time jumps were when the Jennings got several months' vacation after the plague scare, then the jump of ~3 years in the final season opener.
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Earwicker posted:that happened to me between 7th and 8th grade Yeah he was old enough to have a secret bikini babe stash so he was also old enough to realistically grow like a weed and drop his voice an octave.
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skooma512 posted:There could have been an epilogue where Martha gets out of Russia-cum-Soviet Union because everyone is too busy to worry about her. Just show her sipping mimosas on the beach in Venezuela
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Shot frame for frame the same as the end of Office Space. Hell, even use the same island (it’s just off Key West, it’s a private island but you can go there for lunch and dinner. It’s nice!)
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Are y'all certain they didn't film in Russia? They certainly did for season 5.
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Jun 15, 2018 11:46
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Season 5 was the first time they shot in Russia, and they used the contacts they made to film B-roll there in season 6.
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I’m trying to remember what even happened in S5 and I just can’t beyond training Paige. Just a tremendous waste of showtime and plot with Philip’s son too. On a side note give whoever cast Paige a medal, she knocked it out of the park the past couple seasons. Reminds me a lot of Kiernan Shipka who grew into her Mad Men role (though the son on that show got recast 3? separate times which just goes to show casting child/teen actors is a hit or miss game). Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:I’m trying to remember what even happened in S5 and I just can’t beyond training Paige. Just a tremendous waste of showtime and plot with Philip’s son too. Midges. Digging a hole and killing the South African guy. Martha adjusting to Russian life. Grocery store investigations. Philip quitting.
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Jun 17, 2018 15:34
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Also Tuan goading a kid into attempting suicide.
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howe_sam posted:Also Tuan goading a kid into attempting suicide. Kinda bummed we never got a Tuan/Paige meeting. "OK, so we have to infiltrate this prom..."
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Keri Russel has been cast in episode 9 of starwars, I doubt she'll be folding rebels into suitcases though.
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