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Will it come out digitally? I don't want to think about how much it would cost with the Aussie dollar plus shipping here
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CornHolio posted:You know, listening to Aghori Mhori Mei after about a hundred times, I definitely would compare it to Mellon Collie. I see Billy's genius in the songwriting (A 21st-century schism / Don't do sarcasm at me.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Will it come out digitally? I don't want to think about how much it would cost with the Aussie dollar plus shipping here I saw a thing that said "eventually" for digital and I think CD releases.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Don't do sarcasm at me. 'tis the day, though
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CornHolio posted:'tis the day, though ‘tis dumb as hell
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The whole "cover band of my own band" is weird for sure, but does anyone else find it loving weird and a little creepy that Billy keeps trying to get the same band composition? It's like he's obsessed with "goth girl bassist, Asian guitarist and bro drummer". Like every time it's loving weird. Not discounting the actual musicians they are all pretty amazing and talented, but it just can't be a coincidence at this point.
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Apr 3, 2025 02:14
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The band hasn't had a woman playing bass for over a decade.
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Apr 3, 2025 02:24
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I just assumed all the lady bassists knew not to go there at this point.
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Apr 3, 2025 02:27
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There was a new Todd in the Shadows episode today about The Veronicas and apparently one of them dated Billy for a bit and supposedly has nothing but good things to say about him.
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Baron von Eevl posted:The band hasn't had a woman playing bass for over a decade. None of the live bassists have been considered part of the band. Billy for sure has not said "This is Jack Bates, our official bassist" and that's a little weird considering he's been playing with them since 2015. It's weirder, not a good reason.
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Baron von Eevl posted:There was a new Todd in the Shadows episode today about The Veronicas and apparently one of them dated Billy for a bit and supposedly has nothing but good things to say about him. Unfavourably comparing your ex to Billy Corgan is an all-time burn.
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syntaxfunction posted:None of the live bassists have been considered part of the band. Billy for sure has not said "This is Jack Bates, our official bassist" and that's a little weird considering he's been playing with them since 2015. It's weirder, not a good reason. There still hasn't been a woman bassist in the band for a decade, him not calling anyone but Jimmy and James (and formerly Jeff) "members" doesn't mean it's only because women can be bassists in his band. He also didn't call Brad Wilk or Tommy Lee band members, is that because they weren't "bros" according to him? Or was it because after the Oceania era band collapsed his take was "gently caress this." Ratios and Tendency posted:Unfavourably comparing your ex to Billy Corgan is an all-time burn. Yeah honestly it's a pretty atomic level burn on Ruby Rose Baron von Eevl fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Apr 3, 2025 |
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SUNKOS posted:loving finally. Holy poo poo. So the Machina reissue will be 48 tracks? 15 on Machina. 13 on Machina II if you cut out Blue Skies Bring Tears as a duplicate song. 6 on the EPs if you cut out duplicate songs. 5 more songs that we're aware of from the Machina acoustic demos, whether these made it to the studio is anyone's guess. 2 more if we include Pale Scales & Untitled. 1 more song that we only know of from a couple of soundchecks, and there are recordings of one of them. At least 30 tracks were recorded for the initial Machina, and most of these were released. Jam13 was renamed Lucky 13, Death Boogie was most likely a working title, and Bringing The Weather may be a unique title or it could be a working title. They went back into the studio to finish off tracks from the original Machina sessions in the summer of 2000; virtually nothing is known from these later sessions. Unless they're planning to re-use songs for the remaster, then there is most likely going to be around a dozen tracks on the actual album release itself that haven't seen the light of day before now. Edit: I forgot to mention the more recent demo leaks. Sleeping Giant & an untitled demo that sounds remarkably like the opening riff to Tarantula leaked several years ago. So that's 2 more. Rocket Baby Dolls fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Apr 3, 2025 |
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I didn't even know about most of the songs you mentioned there, I hope Death Boogie is as much of a jam as the name implies. Tempted to go searching for everything you mentioned but I'm going to try and hold out until the Machina reissue releases. Also have no idea how other people feel about it, but the electronique version of Blue Skies Bring Tears from Machina II is distinct enough (and also a banger) to justify being included, I think. Besides, other bands have put alternate versions of the same songs on albums and when done right it can be pretty cool imo. Forgot that some versions of Machina actually have Speed Kills as well, but I've no idea if Billy considers that to be the real tracklisitng or not?
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SUNKOS posted:I didn't even know about most of the songs you mentioned there, I hope Death Boogie is as much of a jam as the name implies. Tempted to go searching for everything you mentioned but I'm going to try and hold out until the Machina reissue releases. There is only one version of "Here's To The Atom Bomb" worth listening to, and it ain't the electro one. I normally don't care about that kind of alternate take, but that riff in the original (or the rock version, not sure if it came first) is just so perfect to me, I can't see taking the same song and ditching such an iconic part of it.
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it took me absolutely ages to realize that i was listening to machina ii in an inside-out manner: the set of mp3s i downloaded back in 2000 had the EPs first, then the album (this was probably the case for quite a few people at the time, idk) i kinda like that way better - slow dawn is a brilliant opener, and that grotesque heavy metal machine remix works better as the long grind to the halfway point than as the eminently-skippable end of the whole thing. and as endings go, here's to the atom bomb is a great one really, the first three songs of the first EP are probably my favorite from the whole record Rupert Buttermilk posted:There is only one version of "Here's To The Atom Bomb" worth listening to, and it ain't the electro one. I normally don't care about that kind of alternate take, but that riff in the original (or the rock version, not sure if it came first) is just so perfect to me, I can't see taking the same song and ditching such an iconic part of it. i like them both, honestly they'd make great bookends on a theoretical alternate version of the album
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Slow Dawn is one of the band's best songs.
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'Promise' is the name of the song that we are only aware of because of two sound checks. You can listen to/download several takes of the song here: https://archive.org/details/tsp2000-02-27.sc.flac16 Sleeping Giant - https://youtu.be/bty9ommaRzc?si=hy0HcF9fiSzfz29o I'm not in a good position to find the not-Tarantula song, a quick YouTube search on my phone isn't turning up anything. I'll have a proper dive when I have more time. Machina acoustic demos: https://archive.org/details/SP_Machina. Lover was played live once at a Christmas performance in 1998. The Everlasting Gaze demo. Original called Disco King which is why Death Boogie is most likely a working title for a different song: https://youtu.be/xzc9JR3hoK8?si=gvYt0g-5ML2f6dPP Full length 'Le Deux Machina' which was originally an improv piece by Mike Garson, parts of this were used in Glass and the Ghost Children: https://youtu.be/PRYshWEDd-U?si=LjUv6tHIk5N-E1Bh Rocket Baby Dolls fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Apr 5, 2025 |
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Sleeping Giant sounds really 90s. Not 90s SP, but rather just a generic 90s alt-rock song. Wild to think that came out of the Machina sessions. The Mike Garson version of Le Deux Machina is great though, matches up so well with the general sound and vibe of Machina. The album was already long so I can understand why it didn't make the cut (especially since part 2 was planned with so many more excellent tracks) but I'd have loved to hear that with the same production and mastering as the rest of Machina. It already sounds so full (not sure how else to describe it) but I'm sure they'd have found some clever ways to compliment the performance in the song. I wonder if Garson contributed anything else to the Machina sessions? This would have been around the time he contributed to The Fragile for NIN and Garson once revealed that he recorded a lot of stuff for that album but Trent apparently left most of it on the cutting room floor because it sounded too much like Bowie which I mean, the whole appeal of having Garson would be that he plays like Garson but The Fragile is still one of my favorites regardless. Trent kept his piano for Just Like You Imagined, albeit shortened down and edited, and some small parts in a couple other songs I think? Anyways, I doubt Billy would have Garson in for just one track, so I wonder what else there was? Wikipedia only has him credited for piano on With Every Light.
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Mike Garson joined the band for their entire Adore tour and for a number of Machina shows aswell. He also collaborated with Billy in making the Stigmata soundtrack. I doubt that he was there for one song, so there most likely is at least one full session with him involved.
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I think that track was a live improvisation, wasn't it?
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Baron von Eevl posted:I think that track was a live improvisation, wasn't it? It was, yes. I'm guessing that the Puff Daddy remix of The Crying Tree of Mercury won't be making the reissue.
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Puff Daddy literally won't be worse than 5-10 people Billy hangs out with on any given day
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Kingo Ligma posted:Puff Daddy literally won't be worse than 5-10 people Billy hangs out with on any given day Augustus Juppiter knows what he did
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Kingo Ligma posted:Puff Daddy literally won't be worse than 5-10 people Billy hangs out with on any given day I don't think that is true but 5-10 people a day are reminding Billy not to engage in cancel culture.
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I'm just ready to buy the Virgin Machina reissue because the box set is gonna be filled with terrible AI art. Have we ever talked about that Linda Strawberry got canned almost immediately after the one-take video for "Beguiled" dropped and was made fun of on the Internet?
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People have been weird about her on the internet as long as people on the internet have been aware of her. People being lovely about any woman online is unfortunately nothing really out of the ordinary. It seems her and Corgan had a falling out, I guess someone said it had to do with a mutual friend that passed away. Maybe Billy just wasn't happy with her work anymore, maybe there was a disagreement about money, who knows. I don't think there's anything particularly lovely about it that we'll ever know, more than any other time anyone gets fired.
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Billy never gets to be mad at anyone making a video for him again after he dropped that piece of poo poo which was just him, the band members, his kids,.and a bunch of his wrestlers walking towards a camera over and over. The worst bit was they left the Gaffa mark in shot and not a single one of them actually hit it.
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Kingo Ligma posted:Billy never gets to be mad at anyone making a video for him again after he dropped that piece of poo poo which was just him, the band members, his kids,.and a bunch of his wrestlers walking towards a camera over and over. They thought after mastering walking side to side in Ava Adore they could branch out BUT NO
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Well I mean Linda's the time behind that video so maybe its shittiness is what got her the boot. Anyway the Solara video is so much more cringe
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I don't think we will ever know what truly happened between Linda and the band. Apparently, it was not a mutual split but I don't know if there was anything official mentioned. There are "sources" for some information though. Linda did respond to a reddit post last year when someone asked about what happened:quote:I was sent this post and just want to say hi. I’m doing great. Flying under the radar. Working constantly! Finally able to exercise so hopefully I look better soon hahahah (laughing at the comment about looking rough… maybe just aging?
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I am not working for the band but do get the chance to just be a fan again and that’s pretty fun. I’m excited to see what they do this summer. I’m working on some other projects right now but it is true that I did get to work for No Doubt at Coachella. That was wild! I hope you are all doing well. ✨❤️🍓
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Going to say Billy's interview with Dale Bozzio is good because she's again, a total kook, but an interesting, fun one. A lot of the anecdotes are wild and unlikely, but she doesn't come across as joylessly deluded as Feldman. The Prince story in particular had me wide eyed and grinning. Plus, it led me to Missing Persons and Mental Hopscotch, which absolutely rules. Perfect piece of slamming early 80s LA new wave pop rock. The sort of thing Ginger would listen to on her headphones in The Terminator. Holy poo poo it's good.
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Missing Persons is a greatly underappreciated band of that era
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