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Pretty sure they mention in the prologue that this is the 17th tournament. Which feels like enough time for something to get entrenched in a culture. With new fans coming in to replace the old. Tie that in with real world products and established franchise spanning decades and it's not hard to believe. As for the show it looks fun but mediocre with too much heavy handed "I feel the need to say how much I love gunpla!" With the protagonist being super good right out the gate is disappointing but better than the first two seasons of borderline cheating and martial arts voodoo.
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Did I watch a different show? Cause the only reason he lost was because trans-am broke his machine. Which is a sign of poor building not bad piloting. Ogre, someone established as really good who is either high ranking or on his way, would have lost if it went on or Riku hadn't flown so far away to start his charge. The Ogre only really goes after him once he sees Riku do that akward dodge. Right now it looks like Riku is being held back by his machine more than a lack of skill. Which the other shows had a better power curve for the protagonists. Reji had to play like 200 matches against Ricardo in a ball before "bringing out the full potential" of Sei's gunpla. And Sekai trained throughout the show and with his build burning to get on others level. Looks like next episode with the masked diver could realign the skill curve and give Riku something to shoot for. But as it stands I'd rather see that GM go all war in the pocket against some zakus.
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Kanos posted:Ogre is specifically introduced by Magee as "An up-and-coming fighter. He's determined to defeat the champion, and his skill and rank are improving." He's not a high ranked super pro, he's a tryhard who is working his way up the ladder. As for the fight itself, I just rewatched it to confirm, and Ogre is kicking the poo poo out of him even after Riku uses Trans-Am until Riku sacrifices his primary weapon in order to buy a moment to slip away, at which point Riku starts a frontal charge directly into Ogre's prepared face before his gunpla overloads(he crashes directly in front of Ogre). Riku has some good moves but there's absolutely no point at which he could be construed to be winning the fight. You're right, Riku is getting pushed back the entire fight. But not in the extreme way a person with 3 hours of play time vs. someone who could compete I. A tournament would. Nor does that change the fact that he was about to pull a win out of his rear end after he stared to take the fight seriously. Ogre even does the "NANI?" Look of surprise anime thing. That's the line a JoJo enemy say before getting their teeth smashed in. Maybe ogre would have blocked in time but due to bad fight choreograhpy and generic writing we can't be 100% certain. Regarding that Reji moment. It came after he lost to Meiji. And people telling him he is poo poo. But nicer. We all know those zeon guys were past their prime (12) and posed little threat. The 200 matches with Ricardo was more training than actual fighting. Plus we didn't see them so Reji could have lost the 150 rounds before learning to dodge long enough to survive till the first bell. My beef was s1 was more about all the condoned cheating than space prince traveling across the stars to style on some nerds using their nerd game.
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chumbler posted:Riku didn't get clowned on because this is a kids show, for kids, just like Build Fighters. True. Skill and power mean nothing when plot is on the line.
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Yeah just in terms of the game, an mmo where anyone can show up and interfere with you is pretty bad game play. Like I'd be pissed if me and my buds all built some custom Shidens to play in Tekkaden's last stand. Then strike freedom does a fly by and wipes the map with a dumb lightshow. I know they semi handwaved player invasions as a bug from that purple aura, Riku was dragged into that fight with ogre without any kinda dual challenge. Also why not ban or patch out this limit break steriod thing? Neddy Seagoon posted:It has the butt-stored shield, so it's definitely a Gusion Rebake. It also has a bigass hammer that doubles as Big Nippers, and I loving want them to announce an HG kit for it already Same.
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Maybe if they built something stronger than a Jegan they wouldn't need a mass diver. And the fat kid and those jegans talked about getting points. What does that do? Can you redeem them at a bandai store for more gunpla? Is the fake cyber McDonald's that expensive? Is it just exp to get new costumes? Was the fat kid that desperate for char goggles that he was willing to prey on newbies? Whatever it does I hope they devote 3-5 mins of the next episode to explaining it.
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You already have build quality, pilot skill, and B's specials like trans-am or hyper mode or the ability to build a disguise model the exact same shape or your real model with zero mobility problems. So I'm thinking gunpla points can only translate to unlocking minor passives like increased energy and ammo capacity, extra hanger slots, faster repair times, or ability to play longer than 2 hours and access to harder missions. It'd be a bummer if you could only do 4 missions a day and had to either wait or pay to reset your mission cap.
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Taintrunner posted:Man I just had a thought what if some kid tried to bring their MG Deep Striker to one of these Build Diver scan/VR things that must totally be a pain in the rear end Trying to move a built MG Deep Strike from a desk to a shelf is a total pain.
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I appreciate how poo poo the main two are. 4 episodes in and neither one care that Sarah doesn't have a gunpla. Treat Momo like she doesn't exist half the time. The other half they talk about how she helped them get catwolf to train them yet avoid thanking her or Sarah. Not to mention every time they log in all they do is pester other players to make them better. And the way Riku struggles with the concept of not winning every fight especially against ogre, really highlights his stunted personality.
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chumbler posted:I can forgive it because it looks like a penguin, and will apparently contain a smaller Kapool inside it. I thought it looked more like a duck. But penguin makes more sense since they are naturally better at soccer. Which is probably what the little kapool is for. Also can't wait to be GBF 7 to come out and be so bad that Try is viewed as a realistic character drama.
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What do you think Sarah does in the interim? Is she goingon adventures with other groups? Does she ever eat? Does she need to eat? Can she eat? Does she gather discarded gunpla boxesand make a little homeless shelter in the corner of the main lobby? Can she evenleave that lobby and just go sleep in one of the replica towns? Hopefully the next episode spends most of its run time explaining more lovely game mechanics.
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Caphi posted:There's a weird thing going on in this show where its focus is on developing the world of GBN through the eyes of Riku and Yukio, but everything that actually happens in the show is all about Riku and Yukio. There's very little of anyone doing anything in GBN other than helping, fighting, or griefing them, which is why all the reams of direct exposition of all the stuff people could be doing in it. What if the main two are make a wish kids? And this is their trip to Disney world. An old mmo with dwindling player base gets patched up into a co-op adventure. With riku and yukio playing out the fantasy of chosen one's. With all the good players acknowledging his inherent skill/latent potential. And only they can save the digital world. You could end it with them beating the guy in the hood, with a jump cut to someone at their funeral talking how there are some things in life you can't beat. It would make the characters interesting for once.
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The only other explanation besides being a relative of Reji and Aila is her being another glitch in the system like the devil gundam. Am I missing something here? Because it's glaringly obvious she don't belong and has weird tendencies.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'd say it's looking like learning an upperclassman in their school is a really good builder, and repeatedly trying to hassle them to join. Maybe the episode next week will elaborate. But the preview made it look like the gang was just harassing some guy in a "haha really funny how they follow him everywhere and exibit all the signs of a stalker". I just wanna see those hammer shears get to work. chiasaur11 posted:I'm not sure I'd go that far. That jump cut from right outside town, despite the locking out low lvl players from piloting in the desert, with the Ninja girl "unconscious" to several miles away with her tied up next to the only rock for hundreds of miles around. Did they explain the situation to Riku? Did they follow a vapor trail? Why not just crush them once they walked out of the city. And how do people eat in that world?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:While I agree with the first few parts, the reason they bailed is probably because the real Shahryar was right there and gently caress facing him. Nevermind every other talented builder in the city a stone's throw away who know they're scam artists. Counter point. They don't Know who the real Shahryar is till the Seravee shows up. Not to mention they started the rumor that Shahryar was coming in the first place. But we see the VR. It's a visor and head phones with two joysticks and maybe some foot pedals.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:seeing how little of GBN is actual Gunpla-battling. It doesn't feel completely contradictory. But more inconsistent. If one episode is devoted to a furry teaching these kids that GBN isn't the real world, yet everyone insists on doing normal real world stuff. If it's a fantasy VR maybe play up the fantasy instead of eating at a McDonalds. And even though this show is 40% exposition for game mechanics. I don't know if player level is a relative thing like most games assign a number and restrict or reward states based on that lvl. Or do they mean a more abstract lvl of skill. Like speed runners are on a different lvl from someone who plays casually after work for an hour.
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Build and tri had the steaks raised with a tournament and breaking your gunpla. Even though everyone could fix any damage overnight unless plot got in the way. With Dive being an mmo and the main kids having zero guidance till now takes away any investment in their fights. Doesn't help that they lost every fight save against the fat bully only to be saved by someone else. And it's looking like the series both character wise and interesting battles. Build cheated but most of the cast was likeable. Tri was an argument for why G Gundam would win in a crossover with the U.C. timeline. With below average to full on sexual predators. Dive is two special needs kids playing the most generic rpg on the easiest difficulty. Everyone intsantly likes them. Finds them interesting with amazing hidden potential. While all of the fights are scrpited like a tutorial where an NPC swoops in to save the day. Can't wait for next week when the someone is impressed with Riku for being a nice guy with a new character winning their fight for them once Riku comprehends a new emotion.
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I already said it Tri had one op Gundam that would lose until it decided to win. But at least the other two were given someone to fight more often than not. Build had the same issue of one op robot that either pulled bullshit Superman powers out of its rear end. Remember when Sei had to explain that the shield not only negated any beam, but could then use it to make the gun into a colony laser. And also little yellow triangles would pop out of it and make you super strong and fast or can be a whip because reasons. Not to mention the cheating that took place prior to the upgrade. Dive doesn't have interesting fights it simply holds to the Gundam universe that Gundam are stronger than everyone else so stop bringing grunt suits to our op magnum magic game. Besides Richardo and Ral none of Build was full of assholes who sofened up after losing. With character development that didn't really make them interesting. Tri had the big sister who had her own life but spent time with the main group cause she was a good sister. Sleggar showed up and hit on women. Boom! 10/10 character right there. Sadly Tri also had that rapey creeper tryion who really should have been killed off. Dive has a very nice and pretty lady Mcgee. And the secret Nazi ferret. There are no other characters only tutorial NPCs. If cardboard Riku and Gundampedia other kid ever fight these NPCs they should lose because all of them have been set up as the top players in the world. But the show seems averse to making the kids grow through defeat so they'll probably win or fight to a draw. I don't understand how anyone can view any of these shows as amazing. Entertaining at times sure. Every show has been flawed in different ways. This time round the redemption is in good mech designs and one fabulous character and her secret identity.
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Forgot about that whole thing till now. And the Gundam cuddles. https://blog-001.west.edge.storage-yahoo.jp/res/blog-8d-e6/saranndonn/folder/1833465/58/68915958/img_5?1464021110 yeah she was great. Hope Momo ends up being as good a character. Since she's the only of the main who hasn't pissed me off or suffering from personality loss. She's consistently animated. Secretly badass with a kapool. And hopefully pilots a zeon penguin next episode.
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Kanos posted:Your posts are really hard to parse, so forgive me if I misinterpret some of what you're saying. Sorry if I'm hard to understand. Talking about all three shows at same time first thing in morning maybe isn't a great idea. Lemme try and clear up my point/view. Fellini is great. Is gunpla is at that sweet spot of custom enough to feed new while obvious enough to recognize the base model. Every fight he's in is fought and resolved without breaking the rules. Either through skill power or an established ability, he wins or loses. Almost everyone else seems to break the rules or come up with previously unmentioned super power. (Except Maoh who just satellite Canon's everything, which is fine, that's what I'd do with a Gundam X) Sei with the RG system and those yellow arrows. Papillon with invisible funnels that are only destroyed once you can see them. (Fuzzy on this point. But I think Fellini discovers them but doesn't destroy them). And Nils with his "by studying plavsky particles I can go full weeabo with Hanzo steel. The first fight he has with a tallgeese 3 is just Nils acting like kindergartner with nu uh I blocked your laser with my swords. And the I swing my swords super strong like this. *Woosh* do they become unlockable super strong lasers and also it's homing so you can't dodge it either." It comes off as lazy magic every time time Nils fought because instead of a melee specialist like a Gyan, his Astray would act more like a super robot from TTGL. I guess it's just personal taste for me. I want the normal Fellini fights and the SRW special moves dues ex fights to be in separate shows. Am I so incredibly wrong? I haven't Build since it aired so maybe I need to go back and give it another try. Or maybe it's just not for me. On a semi related note. Turns out Tri got a English dub. And someone thought Sekai would be more likable if he had the voice of a middle-aged Australian woman. Doing her best.
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So if Reiji used his head Vulcans to piant the funnels. Then that means firing wildly with his Vulcans will hit the funnels. Why not fire wildly with regular ammo which presumably would also hit the funnels? And I can't think of a single UC weapon that absorbs energy weapons and redirects it into a suit for increased stats. The best I can think of is Destiny's Akatsuki and that was only reflecting shots. Nils came across as dileberatly trying to exploit the system instead of mearly being creative and breaking lore. I also give Maoh a pass because I just figured his satellite canon would work like any other weapon and just get a massive power boost when a moon is present. Like water Pokemon can fight in a desert but they do much better in the rain or near water. The cheating in Build I consider a separate issue. Where using glue, grease, paint, metal parts inside frames. That's just hosed up like like taping tacks to a football and giving your guys steel gloves. Or using kidding magnets in a baseball snd your sides bats and catcher mits. Greasing the opponets golf clubs. poo poo that a lot of people did but Sei seemed particularly fond of doing. Not that that tournament was fair for anyone.
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Caros posted:The shells from the vulcans didn't hit the funnels, they made a small cloud of paint that stuck to the funnels. Helps to actually watch the scene before critiquing the logic involved. You're totally right. It is a paint burst. So why not just use airbust rounds or flak? Anything that bursts into shrapnel or pellets. Unless I missed the part where they say the funnels are armored. Kanos posted:
Doesn't the audience throw a fit when that weasel guy tries to announce that Reiji lost. But the audience starts protesting till they announce it as a draw. It would certainly help clear things up if they had official rules. But hey. Let's agree to disagree and get back to ragging on on Divers. I wish Scheherazade moved a little more during its intro fight. I know it's a big suit but still give it some thing more than an action pose during docking.
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Guy Goodbody posted:For the most part Divers has had good fights, mechanically speaking. Like, there was a moment where they did a half stream attack with the GM rushing forward and then ducking down to reveal the 00 who threw a sword at the bad guy. I remember seeing that and thinking it should've been a really neat thing, but I didn't feel any emotions about it because I didn't care about the fight. I'd say most fights are a rollercoaster of good( learning to aim at joints, ogre vs Dom's, cowboy tequila Gundam with missle coffin, using actual tactics and bringing specific builds in a 10v10 match) and bad (Magnum uses super, bad angled camera makes 00diver dodge two shots that curve around it, not actually switching the focus of the show and future toy lines to Cowboy Tequila Gundam, team Magnum wins because their side had a Gundam.)
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I actually liked this episode. It's built on a faulty idea, of oh no the next version of a game came out! Let's all quit gunpla. And holy poo poo the stalking is super messed up. I'm not sure the kids even understand what they were doing, but hey they are kids with social awkwardness. Pretty sweet how the elf breaks his Galbaldy so he can "Rebake" it. Hope next episode let's that Ferret show off more strategy and tactics than just straight fighting.
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly I thought this episode was pretty boring Was there something in particular or just a general nothing seemed fun or interesting to you.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:If that were the case, then why would the team break apart one-by-one and leave their Gunpla behind? Because sadelf built those gunpla for him and they wanted to do their own thing.
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tsob posted:Because each of them took different lengths of time to accept that GPD was on the outs for the new hotness. Kind of hard to migrate as one if no one else is joining you. Plus whose to say the team is fully broken. Three of the memebs could have left and found each other again in GBD after a while and reformed as a group. While evil albino and sad elf never fully accepted VR. Plus sadelf came off as the most willing to transfer it just fell apart and now he's sad.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Except they all know eachother in-person. Have they not heard of this handy invention called a phone? Online chat? Or just talking in person about the sweet-hot new virtual MMO? Except they don't seem to be as good of friends as the sadelf thought. They mostly just hung around waiting for him to build kits so they battle. How great would it be if the big bad guy was just upset because his builds are crap like riku's so trans-am and other stuff is gated off. Which just makes him mad at the world.
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tsob posted:This actually reminds me of another problem I had with the episode: Shahryar says that new guys models display a unique worldview, but every single model of his i can think of (display models, magazine photos, GPD battle data, old figures in the box) are straight builds. Even if they're of an exceptional build quality I can't see how that implies a unique worldview. Shahryar looked at ascreen with Riku and nerd kids gunpla stats and declared they were built with love. Him and Sarah are just pulling this out of their rear end and nobody is gonna call them out on it. Like people claiming the Thor movies have been a character arc for Thor. When it's just a studio trying to make a lot of money and each movie has been trying to copy what's popular at the time. Not crafted with a deep love of Thor lore.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not really, because there's no reason why they wouldn't just go in as a team from the start. That is generally what happens with these kinds of groups; It's either a planned effort to jump in feet-first at launch and do stuff together, or the wheels fall off and everyone just bails because their existing hobby/game of choice is dead. The writing's on the wall for GBD, they're all presumably around the age they're getting out of college and into long-term careers anyway, so the group's just done for most of them. Do you not have friends who share a hobby with you? Because those aren't the only ways a new game or iteration of a hobby can affect a group. When battlefield shifts between modern, star wars, and WW groups split up, migrate together, fracture into two or more smaller groups, or just drift apart even if they end up playing the same game but start at different times. We don't know if they were that close to begin with. The bottom line is only mad boy and sad boy really matter. The rest are nobodies.
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Darth Walrus posted:I think the thing is that the Rebake is supposed to be representative of his private artwork. The straight-builds are mainly commissions he does for other people. Eh. Like Guy Tsob said even in magazines he's a straight build guy. When he was making gunpla for his team they were all straight builds. With the only complaint anyone had was stiff shoulders. And we see a whole box of straight builds. Until Galbaldy Rebake sadelf has been nothing but basic. Which kinda sucks. I'd much rather them show off designs that never get a real model like cowboy gundam. Than only put the effort into a handful of designs coordinated with bandai marketing (we have a Leo mold. Let's swap the head and color palette and sell two kits for the price of developing one).
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If they were just displays, yeah I'd want a mix of straight/kit bash/ and custom with maybe a full scratch build or two. Cause you wanna show off every skill level and get people buying kits and supplies/ tools. With the rental thing we don't know if renting a gunpla costs anything. We don't Know any of the pay model for GBD. So it could be that rentals are just like samples in an ice cream shop, they cut you off after a week of "trials" without buying something. It's also easier to have Momo trial a kapool. Go "I like this suit" them a certain pretty lady leading a double life can say. "Cool, we have them in stock. Would you like to buy one? We've even got a beginner pack of the tools you need to make your kapool as well built as the trial version. We also sell paints and other supplies to help make it your own unique gunpla." My last guess would be. This season has been really lazy about custom designs for non speaking rolls. The first two seasons made a point of at least changing the colors if suits during big free for all brawls. Compare that to the desert episode and everyone is showing off a straight build save the two suits that fight one of them being in the main cast.
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Kanos posted:It's possible he's just as hurt as Koichi was but instead of becoming a sad NEET he decided to burn it all down instead. We all agree this is the dumbest/bestest motivation the bad guy could have right? Also two new units are teased at a current expo. If the runners are all from all kinds of suits but look semi color related so fingers crossed they mashed Seravee, F91, Sinanju and a couple of other kits for the ultimate in tryhard gunpla design. https://www.gundamkitscollection.com/2018/05/gundam-build-divers-top-secret-hg-kits.html?m=1
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Guy Goodbody posted:My current theory is that Sarah isn't a ghost or an alien, she's a lost child who's sleeping in the Divers building like how some young people sleep in manga cafes. That's why she doesn't have her own Gunpla and can't rent one, she doesn't even have enough money for food. Wouldn't a week of eating virtual mcronalds food hill her? Or at least emaciate her to the point of collapsing and needing to be carried by others.
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Yeah to confirm what Zedd said. It's a gelgoog shield and beam nagenata. And if you really liked any of the suits used in this episode. All of them and their equipment are real models you can buy. To make your own team of ferret fanboys.
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I thought 'forces' were a hard locked team like counter strike, DotA, or real life baseball. But after wolfcat's training dojo and today's episode. Maybe a force is more like a guild in an mmo, which goes along way towards reframing these cardboard kids as two halfway decent newbies that can contribute to a forces ranking. If that's true, do you think ranking tied to number of wins as well as who you win against. Like Rommel is ranked second in part because he has a huge number of members who all contribute points to the overall rank of the force?
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Kanos posted:While this ep is pretty clearly a "everyone is together let's show off how cool they are" ep, it was extremely enjoyable for me. The peanut gallery was really fun - though Rommel absolutely stole the show - and the fact that the battle did consist of putting a plan and tactics into practice instead of just rushing forward and hoping it all worked out confirmed the faith in their ability to write team battles like the prologue. You missed one Rommel had a different drink every time they cut back to him. I think the drinks also decreased in complexity as well.
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Sindai posted:I enjoyed how someone clearly put more effort into animating this cut than any part of the fighting. Was gonna say. I think we found the missing animation budget from that desert episode.
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