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Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
...
I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

NewMars posted:

I think they did it all at once to avoid that situation.

Ah. Shame really, I would have loved to hear the justifications that would have been used had they done it one at a time.

"Now I know that literally everyone that got the necrolyte position was never seen again, but just look at the benefits..."

Edit: Woo, new page! Doing...some god's work with my dumb jokes! Dunno which one though...

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Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Maybe necrolytes were the lowest guy on the totem pole of the Orcish equivalent of an MLM scam. Thus, they’d be glad to see their competition turn up missing.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.
"OHBOY! The Master says I can finally make Black Diamond tonight!"

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Hey, wasn't Doomhammer's post-Second War period supposed to be covered in that adventure game that Blizzard started making and then abandoned after they took too long making it? Or was that also just the tail-end of where his career went?

Still, they could have made an RPG about it. Doomhammer as a literal murderhobo? Sounds like any number of PCs in your pick of gaming system.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

painedforever posted:

Hey, wasn't Doomhammer's post-Second War period supposed to be covered in that adventure game that Blizzard started making and then abandoned after they took too long making it? Or was that also just the tail-end of where his career went?

Still, they could have made an RPG about it. Doomhammer as a literal murderhobo? Sounds like any number of PCs in your pick of gaming system.

Yeah, Lord of the Clans was about Thrall and his life and Doomhammer was only to appear in it after that big blank period had already passed.

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.
Hey, new page! That means more stuff from the archives! This weekend will see our next update, so for everyone that already has archive access, just be patient. If you're coming in fresh with no archive access, we're almost caught up!

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.


Episode 2: The Skull of Gul'dan or Fat Jokes

Mission Briefing

Shadowmoon Valley, Ner'zhul's Hut

: There. Done. I brought those death knights back to... I dunno, justice or something.

: YOU KILLED THEM, YOU IDIOT.

: Only most of them!

: Enough. I will not have my chieftains bickering like striplings away from their mothers.

: ...He started it.

: I believe we can reopen the portal.

: Yes, d'uh. That's why I'm still here.

: But I want more. I need you to acquire a few things for me. Then you can do as you please.

: Ugh. Fine. But I refuse to work with Scream-y McShouts-a-lot here.

: DON'T FLATTER YOURSELF INTO THINKING THAT I WOULD JOIN YOU.

: You two are both needed still, but I know better than to force you together. Necksmasher, you are to take my adviser with you in this next journey.

: Your adviser? Wait. Not him! He's so... he's just so...

One week later, outside of Clan Bonechewer...



: ...fat.



: Please stop calling us that.

: Shut it, fatty. Where are the Thunderlords already?

: A moment, then, Chieftain Necksmasher.



: Right. Sometimes I forget you're all magic and poo poo.





: Well, it seems that the Bonechewer are about.

: No, really? We're only here to kill them, right?



: Weren't you paying attention, Chieftain Necksmasher?

: ...Not particularly.



: We're to meet with Hurkan Skullsplinter to arrange for the retrieval of the skull of Gul'dan. Grom will be-

: Hey, shut your big, fat mouth. Is that who I think it is?



: It is! Ol' Korgath himself!

: Actually, chieftain, his name is Kargath. He-



Get used to meeting heroes. Beyond the Dark Portal is full of 'em. In this mission we have both Dentarg and Korgath (Kargath) Bladefist. Just like with Grom, they have increased stats and their death means the failure of the mission. However, it's a little more dangerous to use them here because we'll be going up against an actual force this time around. Also, why is Kargath called Korgath in this game? That's just a typo that made it into the game!

: Korgath! You crazy old clefthoof! How are ya?

: ...It's Kargath.



Kargath comes with a blacksmith which is something of an odd choice. There really isn't a necessity to upgrade anything at the moment, and there's no base in sight to start building. However, once you have a base, it is a small bit helpful (even if it is in a completely odd location).

: Wait, so you're joining us out here?

: I follow Ner'zhul's whims. I'm not happy about it, but I am honor-bound. He returned my clan to me.

: Hey, how's the Shattered Hand doing, anyway?

: They have descended into a blood rage and even now hack each other to bits.

: ...Ah. Cool. You're a good chieftain.

: Just grab a weapon and follow me. The Thunderlords are just over this ridge. Your men have been asking after you.



: Alright, you lot! Fall in!



: Chieftain, glad to see you made it.

: Bloodgut. You're looking... well. Have they been feeding you?

: Yes, chieftain.

: Dammit, Kargath!



: The Thunderlords, Necksmasher?

: I swear to the ancestors... if you let Vilefeast sit at the big kids' table-!



: Shut up, Necksmasher. We're here.



: And here's a lovely reminder of why I hate the Thunderlords. Always roaming about, never setting up a good base. Are those towers even manned!?



: Chieftain! They have wolves here! Like Groinbiter!

: Yes, that's great, Vilefeast. Now-

: But not like Groinbiter II. He doesn't shed. Also he consumes souls. Like good doggy!

: Ugh.

: And you wonder why I was far from camp?

: I'm taking control of this base!



: Trolls to the eastern post!

: Those are my men!

: Chieftain, I believe that chieftain Fenris will be back shortly.



: I don't even know who that is! Fatso, I need eyes out there!

: We have a name, you know.

: I can't hear you with all that fat clogging up your mouth.



: I have some questions about your name, actually, Master Dentarg.

: Yes, orc?

: Aren't you supposed to go by Den'Targ? I'm not sure of ogre naming conventions, but I believe that it is common to separate your individual names.



: We have no individual names, orc. We are one. We are Dentarg.

: Fascinating.

: No, it's not.

: Agreed.

: Now then, these Bonechewer don't seem to be anything special.

: Chieftain, if I may, the Bonechewer are a dangerous foe. They're well-known for their-



: Grrr! Bonechewer assault!

: Hmm, an attack far to the north. That sure would take some energy to run up there. Who do I know that needs the exercise?



: Pump those legs, chubbsy-wubbsy!

: I do not believe that this is a good use of our abilities, Chieftain Necksmasher!



: Think of all those pounds you'll shed away from that roiling mass of gelatinous flesh that you call a body.



: Aw, Kargath, you helped him? How is he supposed to learn how to exercise on his own?

: Necksmasher, you may be in charge, but my blades hunger for more than tilling fields.

: Wait, you do what to fields?

: That's when you- ...you're just being an rear end, aren't you?



Alright, let me talk about this mission a little bit. We're still in the opening stages of the game, so nothing is too difficult right out of the gate. However, if you just pushed through Tides of Darkness strong-arm style, then even these early missions can throw you off. As you can see, the map is divided nearly in two (with the Bonechewers on the east and us on the west). Defense, as always, is key. We're going to see why in a moment. For now, the game gives us a treat with a free gold mine to expand to.

: Heh, now get to tilling those fields, Bloodgut!

: Until the fields do what?

: Necksmasher... my blades...

: Ugh, fine. Take fatty over here-

: Hey!

: -and go scout around.



: Y'know, he has a point. You could stand to lose some weight.

: My weight is not an issue that-

: Shut it, fatty!



: Arhahahahaha!



: Good times. Gooood times.

Meanwhile...



: Chieftain, I think it prudent to shore up our defenses.





As you may be able to see in the minimap, there is a river that divides the two sections of the map. Since there isn't going to be any air attacks in this map (as dragons have been left on Azeroth), we should defend the three land bridges that exist: one to the north, one in the center, and one to the south.

: As such, I've sent for towers to be constructed in the northern swamps.



: Uh-huh.



: Is there something wrong with my plan?

: You did remember to send that peon an armed escort, didn't you?



: Uhhh...

: This is why you don't get fed! Northward, men!



: Perhaps then the central pass...?





: You really don't learn, do you?

: Chieftain?



: Ugh. Southward now, men!

Hours later...





: Defenses are finally being established, chieftain!

: Oh, so we have defenses now?

: That's what I just said, yes.

: Well, would you care to explain...



: ...this!?

: How strange. Chieftains Necksmasher and Bladefist, it appears as though the Bonechewer is just... staring at it.

: Meh. Our job is to kill them. Who cares?

: Didn't you listen, either? Our job is to retrieve the skull of Gul'dan. Killing him won't-



: I murdered him good.



: Hrh? My home!

: You... actually live in a blacksmith?



: Raaargh!

: Bloodgut. I thought you said that we had towers erected to stop this.

: Tee, hee... Chieftain say funny word.

: Well, I suppose that there are other avenues that are unguarded, yes.



: Hoo-ah!



: I guess it's fine as long as he's having fun. He's like a little Vilefeast. Y'know, only smarter.



: Little help? I think I'm hooked on his spine.

: ...But only a little smarter. Oh, and Bloodgut?

: Yes, chieftain?



This is a pretty dangerous lumber mill that you're given at the start. Like with many missions, the enemy has multiple ways to attack (as mentioned, they have the northern, center, and southern land bridges to strike from). If the central pathway isn't defended, you're likely to use resources to keep the lumber mill from being disrupted.

: You're on lumber duty. I want men to the northern swamps.



: And send me someone to fix Bloodgut's mistake!





The AI in Beyond the Dark Portal is far and away better than the original AI. Towers are not as useful when the AI can try to emulate human behavior a little more closely. For example...



Oh, hey, look at these lovely towers that I built to protect my lumber mill.



Aaaaaaand... death wagon'd. Yes, the AI sees catapults as actually effective for taking out towers and prioritizes sending them down to deal with your towers.

: Huh?



: Argh! Bearded aunts! Doesn't anybody look out for these things!? Men! Soldiers! Whatever!



To make this extra frustrating, the river is lined by towers on the opposing side. Sending men over to take care of the sieges ends up with...



Well, yeah.



: At least the northern defenses are holding.



: Bonechewersssssss!

: Enough, Necksmasher! This is folly sitting back here. Come on, fatty.

: Your words are very hurtful to us.



: Just absorb the blows with your big, blubbery hide.



: ...He is surprisingly durable.

: Lumber duty! No talkie!



: My home! Again!

: If you sleep in axe house, does that mean weapons are your babies? Is that how you have axe hand? Can me get axe hand? Oooh! Two axe hands!

: Two axe hands? That's incredibly stupid. Hey, quadruple chins-!

: That... that's us isn't it?

: Go get some exercise.



: Aren't you joining us, Chieftain Bladefist?

: Oh, gently caress that. I'm tired.





: Well, that was easily handled.

: Stop standing around and get some exercise, big boy!





: This is ridiculous. I don't even know what I'm up against here.

: Cannibals, chieftain?

: ...I have half a mind to put you in this deathtrap.





: Towers... towers... what are these Bonechewers defending anyway?

: ...the item we were sent to retrieve? Not to mention, we did send a declaration of war.

: I thought we sent a severed head.

: That... that's pretty much the same thing.

: Well, I know how to solve this problem.

: Chieftain?



: Death wagons! Mass production!





: Ah... sweet destruction.

: Taste like candy!

: Vilefeast, get that limb out of your mouth. I feel as though this may actually work, chieftain.

: Ugh... but it's soooo slow.

: Well, we could-

: Make explosive goblins!



: What? No. We could stay the course; this is clearly working.



: I do like the plan "Suicidal Mercenaries."



: Do we really want to anger the Bonechewers this much? We're supposed to negotiate for the skull.

: But... explosions!





: The idiot wins this round! Guess that means you're slightly less useful to me, Bloodgut. Maybe get yourself fitted for a dynamite vest...



: What's going on here?

: Oh, hey. Y'know, chieftain stuff.



: Charge, little explosive babies!



: How could you-!?

: I'm so sorry, Chieftain Bladefist! Nigel is just stressed. He... he...

: How could you do this without me!?



: Well, Korgath-

: It's Kargath.

: -if you want to join us for another round, I'd love to have you.



: Men! Charge!





: What's going on? Who gave the order to move?

: That would be Chiefta- ...Nigel. Nigel did that.



: We were to wait until Chieftain Hellscream arrived. Oh, Ner'zhul would be most displeased to hear of this.



The enemy base on this level is very basic, but it does very well with such limited resources. The only things you'll really see are ogres and grunts, with only the occasional axe thrower. This gives the Bonechewers a meaty feeling with an edge of barbaric fury that fits their lore quite well (which we'll talk more of soon). They cannot be underestimated by any means, however, as they can still take you out without the need of magic or ranged units.



: Fire your death wagons, men!

: Wheeeee!

: Haha! This is fun!







: Please, you can't tell Ner'zhul. He would have Nigel tortured to death!

: Enough, peon. This is a breach of duty! He must be-

: I WOULDN'T DO THAT IF I WERE YOU, DENTARG.



: Oh, Netherspit. Look who's here.

: SHUT YOUR MOUTH, NECKSMASHER. I'M HERE TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THE SKULL.



: We didn't need the help.



: It seems, chieftains, that there is a smaller base to the south.

: I'll-



: I'VE GOT IT COVERED.



: Hey! That was mine to... Ergh! GROM!

: It's a real joy to see him work, isn't it?



: I hate that insufferable bastard so much.



: It seems that Grom has gone to meet with Hurkan Skullsplinter to "negotiate."



: It looks like he's killing him.

: Haha, yeah. That Grom is always a treat.



: So what does this mean for us?

: Pfft. We get the skull when that screaming idiot gets himself killed.



: How did negotiations go, Grom?

: I'VE KILLED HURKAN.

: What!? Chieftain Skullsplinter!

: CALM DOWN, DENTARG-

: Not even making any fat jokes? Pathetic.

: I HAVE SECURED THE SKULL AND THE ALLEGIANCE OF THE BONECHEWER CLAN.



: What!? But we did all the work!

: VICTORY.

: Hate. You. So. Much.

Azzur fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 22, 2018

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

I didn't spot the top hat and cloak at first. Amazing. :allears:

There's just something oddly pleasing about this map with the river and how spread out your buildings are.

McTimmy
Feb 29, 2008
Incidentally, and entirely because of the LP's revival, I finally noticed that this is the one and only time the blue orc faction shows up in the entire expansion.

McTimmy fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Apr 12, 2018

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.

McTimmy posted:

Incidentally, and entirely because of the LP's revival, I finally noticed that this is the one and only time the blue orc faction shows up in the entire expansion.

The fabled and mysterious Flowerpicker clan?! Actually we'll sort of get to see more of them waaaaaaay later in the LP.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Poil posted:

I didn't spot the top hat and cloak at first. Amazing. :allears:

There's just something oddly pleasing about this map with the river and how spread out your buildings are.

... has that always been there? I only just noticed the sprite and the unit icon... and I'm too afraid to go back and check the other updates.

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.
First replies to this update from six years ago (Including you, Poil! Much love for keeping the gag going)



Stealth edit: I forgot what year it was.

Azzur fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Apr 12, 2018

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

I... have no memory of that at all. :psyduck:

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.

Poil posted:

I... have no memory of that at all. :psyduck:

2012 was a wild and raucous time for us all. I was deep into whiskey those days. Now it's mostly sake.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Wow, I just finished reading the WC2 LP on the archives at work the other day and was thinking "Wasn't there another one?". What timing!

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Grom doesn’t show up in the canon game Mission, in case people are curious. But I did enjoy his surprise cameo here. And don’t Orcs usually negotiate by fighting anyway?

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




I mean, some of our cast aren't the most Orciest of Orcs out there

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.


What's in a Name?

Lore for... Fat Jokes

Where to begin with this update? There's actually so much to talk about! One of the most fantastic things about Beyond the Dark Portal is the expansion brought a whole lot more character to the orc clans. As I mentioned in the update, the Bonechewers actually feel meaty and brutish. It reflects well their lore of being cannibalistic psychopaths that couldn't have breakfast without butchering one another.


Swag.

Yes, these orcs are so crazy they actually wear the remains and entrails of their victims. This definitely makes sense given that their chieftain, Hurkan Skullsplinter, wears the skull of Gul'dan on his belt as a trophy. How did he get that skull? Well, that's a very good question. Gul'dan was killed within the Tomb of Sargeras, and I don't know of anyone who entered within the Tomb after the Second War and before the events of Beyond the Dark Portal. This is pretty much a case of, "Well, gently caress it. It happened, okay? We can't explain it either!" (Ugh, nevermind, this was explained years after this was first written. Apparently one of Gul'dan's warlocks took the skull out with him? I mean, that also makes very little sense, but here we are!)

As the story goes, Grom Hellscream kills Hurkan himself to claim the skull. No one is really shocked by this. After that, Tagar Spinebreaker took control of the Bonechewers and lent their aid to Ner'zhul in his quest to open the portal.

:siren:SPOILER::siren: Ner'zhul has a much larger goal than simply opening the portal.


Does anyone else smell a sit-com? I smell a sit-com.

On to naming conventions! Kargath Bladefist. You motherfucker. The manual for Beyond the Dark Portal states his name as Kargath Bladefist in some areas, but Korgath in others. In the game (both in mission briefing and on his unit) he is called Korgath Bladefist. Of course, I always assumed that his name was Korgath then.

Then along comes World of Warcraft. We go from a scythe-handed, eye-patch wearing grizzled warrior of the Horde named Korgath to an orc with both eyes and a sword attached to each arm named Kargath. I'd share some pictures, but... spoilers aplenty even looking at him!

But what about our roly-poly friend, Dentarg? Surely we have nothing to talk about with him! Well, Dentarg here has two heads. It makes sense, he's an ogre-magi and ogre-magi have two heads. However, in the books, Dentarg is referred to as having only one head. This is 100% a :spergin: moment, as it's probably just the writer, Aaron Rosenberg, forgetting that Dentarg was a two-headed ogre. I like the idea, however, as it kind of defines Dentarg as a more interesting character. He isn't a magical experiment gifted with powers beyond his race's understanding, but rather an exception to the rule.

I always seem to complain about that which could have been!

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.
Only three more updates to pull out of the archives! Woo!

Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
...
I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

I do wonder what poor Dentarg did to deserve all of those fat jokes. Or at least, why he alone was singled out when pretty much every other ogre is equally as fat.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Oh, Dentarg, truly you may just edge out bloodgut for the most put-upon member of the horde.


Dr. Snark posted:

I do wonder what poor Dentarg did to deserve all of those fat jokes. Or at least, why he alone was singled out when pretty much every other ogre is equally as fat.

Because he's the only ogre anyone talks to besides Cho'gall and anyone who tried to talk that way to him died both inexplicably and horribly.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
The Skull of Gul'dan being here makes even less sense given where it shows up next. :shepface:

Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
...
I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

Captain Oblivious posted:

The Skull of Gul'dan being here makes even less sense given where it shows up next. :shepface:

Honestly if someone told me that the drat thing is almost constantly spontaneously teleporting that would explain a lot.

Because how in the gently caress does that thing move from Draneor to Kalimdor!? There's just...I don't...:psyduck:

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Dr. Snark posted:

Honestly if someone told me that the drat thing is almost constantly spontaneously teleporting that would explain a lot.

Because how in the gently caress does that thing move from Draneor to Kalimdor!? There's just...I don't...:psyduck:

Spoilers for warcraft 3 but: at the end of BTDP the skull gets sent back to Azeroth, but the messenger's fate is unknown. I think the implication is they got waylaid in the Twisting Nether by the Burning Legion and they just took it with them as they rampaged to the world tree.

Edit: Wait, no. The messenger did make it back with the skull, which was taken to Dalaran and stolen during the undead campaign as part of the summoning.

NewMars fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Apr 12, 2018

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.
I am sort of in love with the image of a warlock clutching Gul'dan's severed head as he runs out of the Tomb of Sargeras.

Normal rational orc: "What happened to Gul'dan?"

Exceedingly strange warlock: "Oh, man. Demons. It was bad. S'all good, though. Totally nicked his head while they weren't looking."

The rest of the Horde: "...what is wrong with you?"

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.
Somewhat on topic, so many of the old Lore updates that are now in the LP Archive look sort of silly now as Blizzard keeps going back and touching up Azeroth's (and Draenor's) past. I keep finding new things that answer all sorts of dumb little questions that I posed when they were first posted. Blizzard is making me look like a fool! A fool, I say!

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Dr. Snark posted:

I do wonder what poor Dentarg did to deserve all of those fat jokes. Or at least, why he alone was singled out when pretty much every other ogre is equally as fat.

It makes a lot of sense actually; he's that fat and there's only one of him.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Azzur posted:

Somewhat on topic, so many of the old Lore updates that are now in the LP Archive look sort of silly now as Blizzard keeps going back and touching up Azeroth's (and Draenor's) past. I keep finding new things that answer all sorts of dumb little questions that I posed when they were first posted. Blizzard is making me look like a fool! A fool, I say!

And it always leads to more questions, I'd wager. Because let's face it, they were making things up as they went along when they started out.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
My theory on Dentarg- Nigel and other chieftains make fun of his weight because they don't like him and it's easy to do. If you interact with Dentarg in the game, he acts way arrogant to the degree that if you click on him too much he thinks you are opposing Shadowmoon and threatens that Ner'zhul will have your head. He also expresses loyalty to Ner'zhul over anyone else (never mind that we're supposed to be working for him as Orcs, if you're really out for yourself like most Orcs it's annoying as heck). People like this are crying out for a putdown and weight usually works as such.

Personal note- I think Azzur has given Dentarg more of an interesting personality than he has in the canon game, and this is true of other heroes too.

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




With regards to later developments about the Skull of Gul’dan (spoilers for BtDP and WC3, of course):

The most current lore has it that the guy who was sent back to Azeroth with it was successful, and it was promptly sealed away in Dalaran’s vaults. During the sacking of Dalaran, when Arthas broke into said vault to retrieve another artifact, the dreadlord Tichondrius showed up and stole it for shits and giggles.

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.

Regalingualius posted:

With regards to later developments about the Skull of Gul’dan (spoilers for BtDP and WC3, of course):

This is why I say that Blizzard just go ahead and remake WC1, WC2, and WC3. Straighten out all those lore tidbits, toss in whatever extra you have, build yourselves yet another new competitive scene... People would absolutely buy it. Hell, I would even though it would probably completely negate everything I've written.

Oh, man, am I really just writing fan fiction at this point?

Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
...
I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

Azzur posted:

This is why I say that Blizzard just go ahead and remake WC1, WC2, and WC3. Straighten out all those lore tidbits, toss in whatever extra you have, build yourselves yet another new competitive scene... People would absolutely buy it. Hell, I would even though it would probably completely negate everything I've written.

Oh, man, am I really just writing fan fiction at this point?

No. You are writing a narrative LP. There is a difference. Barely. not that much though

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
You know, going through the LP's again I can't help but notice: Necksmasher's become a lot more bitter and angry over time. I can't help but wonder why...

Azzur
Nov 11, 2009

Victory.

NewMars posted:

You know, going through the LP's again I can't help but notice: Necksmasher's become a lot more bitter and angry over time. I can't help but wonder why...

It's almost like losing a war and then waiting two years to get revenge makes a man bitter and filled with resentment. Also, we can safely assume that he fell in love with human liquor, and now that his supply has run dry...

In fairness, Necksmasher has sort of taken on a life of his own. All the characters have in a way. When I sit down to write I sort of go, "Dang, what sort of shenanigans are they gonna get up to this time?"

Also, hey, almost to a new page and it's going to be Saturday in a few hours (for me anyway!) I'm looking forward to putting up a brand new, never before seen update soon!

Charlett
Apr 2, 2011
I finally finished your WC2 LP and I'm super excited to find this one here. Our family had basically been hooked on Warcraft since the second game (Which is weird because our family was also into Warlords and Master of Magic/Orion, I can't imagine why Dad never picked up WC1), so this stuff was all a huge blast from the past. The biggest memory I had, aside from being six and being unable to beat the fourth levels in either campaign, was watching my brother roasting peasants in Dalaran and laughing as the AI paladins rushed forward to waste all their magic on healing them.

"Help us, Obi Wan Kepeasant! You are our only hope!" we shouted. ...In retrospect it probably wasn't that funny, but I guess everything is hilarious when you're younger than ten years old.

There is nothing that brings me more joy at this moment than getting off of work and looking forward to seeing if there's a new update waiting for me back at home. Thanks for the quality entertainment, Azzur!

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Azzur posted:

It's almost like losing a war and then waiting two years to get revenge makes a man bitter and filled with resentment. Also, we can safely assume that he fell in love with human liquor, and now that his supply has run dry...

In fairness, Necksmasher has sort of taken on a life of his own. All the characters have in a way. When I sit down to write I sort of go, "Dang, what sort of shenanigans are they gonna get up to this time?"

Also, hey, almost to a new page and it's going to be Saturday in a few hours (for me anyway!) I'm looking forward to putting up a brand new, never before seen update soon!

I can only wonder how he'll take learning that both the Alliance and the Horde ascribed all he did, from destroying Stormwind to smashing Stromgarde and even assaulting Gul'dan to his nemesis, Doomhammer.

Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
...
I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

NewMars posted:

I can only wonder how he'll take learning that both the Alliance and the Horde ascribed all he did, from destroying Stormwind to smashing Stromgarde and even assaulting Gul'dan to his nemesis, Doomhammer.

Let me put it this way, I think on some level he'll appreciate Thrall's plan to go "screw you assholes, I'm leaving this continent for good."

Yes I know that's not the reason for that happening but that's definitely how Nigel would frame it in his head.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
I personally think that despite their difference in general temperaments, Nigel and Thrall would make great drinking buddies. To the point where one makes the other his "peace chief" / "war chief".

Apologies if I've guessed how Azzur intends to do the Orc Campaign of WC3.

Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
...
I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

achtungnight posted:

I personally think that despite their difference in general temperaments, Nigel and Thrall would make great drinking buddies. To the point where one makes the other his "peace chief" / "war chief".

Apologies if I've guessed how Azzur intends to do the Orc Campaign of WC3.

...That makes me really want to see how Nigel would react to how Grom's arc in that game plays out given Nigel's sheer, unyielding hatred for him in this game. Or for that matter his shift in characterization between WC2 and WC3.

"You know, I think I liked you better when you were shouting all the time...wait, no I don't."

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PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
Holy poo poo, this LP is alive again! That's awesome!

Also with regards to Beyond the Dark Portal and hero units... I feel like the humans benefit a LOT more from having them, since they can use them, and then heal them up again later for more fighting, while the orcs really only have a limited use-per-mission for their heroes.

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