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Blind Sally posted:sorry, I'll take a Break from making bad analogies ... I have no idea why anyone would rehost music on their own site. Ok, you think tindeck is going to die soon - post a link to youtube, because your site is 100% going to be dead in a few years unless you, like, make LPs for a living.
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Xander77 posted:What's the reference here? Chrono Break, the 3rd title. Xander77 posted:I have no idea why anyone would rehost music on their own site. Ok, you think tindeck is going to die soon - post a link to youtube, because your site is 100% going to be dead in a few years unless you, like, make LPs for a living. He's been doing LPs since at least 2011, so I'd say that qualifies as making LPs for a living...
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Xander77 posted:I have no idea why anyone would rehost music on their own site. Ok, you think tindeck is going to die soon - post a link to youtube, because your site is 100% going to be dead in a few years unless you, like, make LPs for a living. The webspace is cheap enough and I'm bad enough with money to keep it alive. Plus Youtube can be a pain for music links at certain times, at least it can be for me on iOS where you can't have Youtube audio up in the background without some convoluted workarounds. That's a good point though, I may work in some mirrors like LPix for the music later.
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My favorite game of all time. Spent God knows how many hours trying to get all of the endings with lovely GameFAQs text files. (I still didn't get all of them  )Can we post our favorite CT merch?
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  Guardia Millenial Fair  Enough introductory banter for now.  Let's party!  The Millenial Fair is underrated as a starting location, at least as far as anything involving this game can be underrated. This thing is filled to the brim with simple minigames and probably is the reason later FF games are chock full of them. You also get minor world-building, help establish the tone of the game, and get introduced to two other party members. And of course, the game lets you set your own pace here, as you can breeze through the plot options in two minutes if you want. The area consists of two main hub screens and a few smaller side sections. For now, let's explore the area.   Hope it doesn't blow up like all the others!And suddenly it makes sense just why Lucca and her family live way on the outskirts of town. They're not exactly respected folk in the village. It actually says a lot about Crono that he's friends with Lucca in the first place.  Spoilers we'll be hearing Leene's Bell this update.    This guy has his own sprite and everything. A small upgrade, and then a good one that's way out of our price range. I'm not buying anything yet.  I live on the continent to the east. Come see me sometime...There are two continents to the east of the Truce/Porre continents. It'll be awhile before we see either, though.  I agree.  This fair uses Silver Points as currency. You can exchange them for G at an incredibly terrible exchange rate, or you can spend them at the Tent of Horrors. Obviously we'll be doing the latter. There are four ways to earn Silver Points.   You may have seen the lizard, cat, and two guards running around the square. They're racing, and the idea is to guess which won will win the race. It's free to play, but there's also no rhyme or reason as to who will win.  Supposedly this guy gives a hint as to who will win, but in my experience he's not any different than picking randomly. But maybe some of you know the mechanics of this race better than me. If you do guess correctly, you get 20 Silver Points, the most any game can net.    There's also a couple shops here that I completely forgot existed. I guess the Truce Shop Owner is here after all. Or maybe he isn't, these merchants certainly aren't distinct from one another.  Revives are a bit interesting since they're supposed to be Athena's Water, something the DS translation gets correct.   Thank goodness things are so peaceful now.I thought we're celebrating existing for a thousand years since Year 0, why do you gotta keep bringing your drat wizards into this nonsense.  Here's another mini game.   Hit it when you're farthest back and you get a pathetic one Silver Point. Pass.  Moving up we see this woman running around admiring the ground. Sure, OK. Let's run into her. SILENCE https://mp4.mega64.net/ct/02/027.mp4  She apparently doesn't think to look beyond her immediate area of vision, but alright.  Crono is a gentleman and talks to the woman, who's too busy panicking about her pendant. This actually matters since I'm playing Paragon Crono for this path. Don't worry, I'll show off Renegade Crono in due time.  To progress, we need to grab the pendant and give it to the woman.   Sure.  I came to see the Festival! You...live in this town, don't you?! I feel a little out of place here. Yeah, like Crono's going to say "No" to this situation. Sure. Guardia Millenial Fair  Oh, by the way... My name is, er... Unsurprisingly, Marle is another playable character, and our first party member.   No, I did not miss any dialogue. Crono carries the proud gaming tradition of being a silent protagonist, meaning he's a protagonist who is silent. The game handles this by having other characters assume they heard Crono say things even though we don't hear him say anything. The idea of the silent protagonist is to have the player project themselves into the playable character, though the effectiveness varies from player to player. Hell, even making Crono a silent protagonist in the first place was a point of contention during development, as sides were split on whether to make Crono talk before things turned out the way they did. The problem with this idea is Crono simply does not work as a character for players to project themselves into, like you can for most western RPGs where your protagonists are blank slates for you to write your own stories with. Crono's pretty much set as a character, and honestly your actions have little effect on what kind of person Crono is, other than some stuff you can do during this fair. That said, I still think making Crono a silent protagonist was a fantastic idea, because the storytelling does a solid job establishing Crono's character and motivations almost solely through his actions. Crono doesn't think and say, "I better make sure this stranger's OK first!", he just does it. You'll definitely see it more as the game goes on, but I honestly think Crono's one of the strongest characters in this game despite never uttering a single word.  Anyway, Marle. Marle is our Bow user, which means she relies on the HIT stat. Her damage formula is (HIT + Weapon Attack) * 2/3. Generally speaking, Marle's one of the weakest physical attackers, though that's still good enough to be useful in most encounters. Her starting accessory, the Ribbon, simply adds +2 Hit.  Her Pendant is also now in our inventory, though it's a Key Item and thus doesn't actually do anything.  Marle's the healer of the party, but otherwise she's probably the weakest character in the game. She doesn't max anything besides HP, MP, and Magic Defense (though she comes close with Magic), and her later Techs are underwhelming compared to other characters', other than one specific buff spell she gets. That said, Chrono Trigger's a generally easy game as is, so Marle's still pretty useful to have around. We'll go into Aura in a bit once I learn it.  Tell me. Just between us, I heard that the King is distressed over his tomboy of a daughter! Just once, I would like to see how wild she really is!Odd how we hear this immediately after adding this strange woman to our party...  The plot trigger to advance to Lucca's experiment is to simply talk to one of the NPCs in the center of the bottom section of the fair, but we've still got plenty to do!  We can eat this man's lunch, for instance. I mean, we won't, but we can!  This is such a terrible deal, we've already got over a thousand G and Silver Points are a pain to get.   There it is.    Marle's a bit more ditzy in the Japanese version, from what little I've read so far.  Time for Minigame #3.  This is basically a test as to whether you have a turbo controller or not.  You're awfully competitive, aren't you, Crono?It's only 5 points, though. Let's check out the east exit. Burn! Bobonga!  This is one of the music tracks Uematsu had a hand in. Of all his works, this is certainly one of them.   Anyway this is nothing more than a reason to do some goofy dance moves. This is also probably the second-best part of the fair. What's number one?  Our last and best source of Silver Points. https://mp4.mega64.net/ct/02/063.mp4 I think that one kinda speaks for itself right there. Battle 1  Gato's got one key difference than the enemies we fought earlier.  He can counter attack.  Marle's bow in action.  Also, he doesn't necessarily counter-attack the person who hit him. However, he also will fail to attack if he's out of range, so hopefully he'll wander off into the corner somewhere.  If Marle is at close range, she'll hit the enemy with the butt of her crossbow instead of shooting them. It still does the same damage, however.  Gato does have a singing attack, but it only does a single point of damage to one character.  And here is Marle's victory pose. Gato's Song  It sure was! Gato's the easiest way to rack up some Silver Points, especially later in the game since he doesn't scale with the party.  On the way out of the fair to heal, this guy tries to convince me to convince Marle to sell him her pendant. We barely know her though and this sounds kinda scummy anyway so no thanks. Peaceful Days  Anyway, let's rest up and visit Mom.  Hi, I'm Marle! Eh?! Marle? ...? I'm sure I've seen you before, dear! Now, where was that...?Ehhhh.  Screw it let's go to bed. Good Night  ...No comment. Secret of the Forest  Before we return to the fair, I decide to grind a bit to get Marle her first tech. Now that we have Marle, we can fight the Avian Chaos from earlier.  All it really does is inflict Chaos, which doesn't really do much since it's a significantly neutered Confusion.  Also Marle doesn't want to visit the castle for whatever reason.  There we go. Aura is a basic healing move that heals MAG * 5 + RND HP. Marle's Magic is 8, so it'll heal for 40HP minimum, slightly less than a Tonic. Of course, this will go up as Marle's level and thus MAG stat does, and it's pretty cheap, too.  However! Now we go into one of the coolest parts of this game, Combination Techniques. Every character can learn three Dual Techs with every other character, based on which Techs these characters know. For example, since Marle knows Aura, and Crono knows Cyclone, together they combine into Marle and Crono's first Dual Tech, Aura Whirl, which simply casts Aura on the entire party (Crono's stats are meaningless for this move). This adds a bit into party selection once that becomes a thing and adds a lot more dimension to how battles work, plus it's also a gameplay method of showing characters bonding with each other enough to work together in battle to do some cool and flashy stuff. There are even Triple Techs, where all three characters work together to do some impressive move, but those generally require knowing late-game techs, so it'll be awhile before we see those. I'll do my best to show off every Single, Dual, and Triple Tech in the game. Speaking of which!  Here's Aura in action. Nice and simple.   Unlike Final Fantasy, where you have a set order you can make characters act (or mash Y to skip characters), Chrono Trigger gives you easy access to every character, so it's trivial to, say, have Marle wait in case you need her to heal while ordering Crono to attack. This is mostly important though because in order to use Dual/Triple Techs, everyone involved in the Tech has to be ready to do it. Simply scroll past the Single Techs in the Tech Menu to get to the multi-tier ones.  Aura Whirl is going to be our only source of multi-target healing for awhile, so this is definitely an important one to have.  After that, I wail on Gato until he gives me ALL the Silver Points.  Now we're ready to be terrified. SILENCE https://mp4.mega64.net/ct/02/095.mp4  There are three different mini-games, each with their own costs and prizes.    The 10 Point game is simply finding the right soldier between Vicks, Wedge, and Piette (one out of three ain't bad I guess, Woolsey...).  Guessing right nets you a Poyozo doll, which plays music.   The 40 Point game is "Do what the clone is doing!" with increasingly smaller time to input. Not too bad after a bit of practice.  Your prize is a clone. I guess it'll shut Mom up.   The 80 Point prize is a bit more elaborate.  Basically don't let the monsters reach you, and don't let your partner burn to death.  Our reward is a cat. Pet adoption is bizarre in the Chrono Trigger universe.  Now Crono has two cats. Far Off Promise  If you interact with the Poyozo doll, it'll play this song. This won't be the last time we hear it, of course...  After winning the initial prizes, Bekkler will start giving us cat food instead for playing his games, with more points netting more cat food. This is how you get even more cats, because any cat owner knows that the easiest way to get more cats is to leave cat food out. At least that's how I've ended up with most of the cats I've had.  The clone simply does some expressions you can switch between, nothing more. Guardia Millenial Fair  This is going to be fun! Come on, Crono!Anyway, that's enough side stuff for now. Let's advance the plot and check out Lucca's sideshow.  ALRIGHT FINE.  Marle takes awhile, but Crono's a patient man and doesn't move an inch.  Sure, young lady. Thanks for waiting!OK now let's check it out.  Uh...well then.    Taban, of course, is Lucca's father. And Lucca is the purple-haired techie on the left teleporter. Also it's the year 1000AD and Lucca invented teleportation.    The audience isn't that optimistic about the promises of teleportation.  Anyway, let's greet Lucca.   Where have you been!? No one wants to try the Telepod! How about you?  uhhhhhh  UHHHHHHH  Begin energy transfer! AAAAAAA- huh. It...worked?  The lady just invented freaking teleportation, you could stand to be a little bit more impressed.   Uh, er, a thrilling display of science at its best, ladies and gentlemen!...I could have died, you know...  Huh? Hey Crono, how did you pick up a cutie like her? Behold, ladies and gentlemen, as this vision of loveliness steps aboard the machine! Don't go away. I'll be right back! wait why does SHE get a chance to say no, I mean you made me the freaking guinea pig for human testing but she gets to walk away, I tell ya...  Marle has no sense of preservation despite being our healer. I still don't know whether that's one of her best or worst qualities. I mainly made this GIF because Lucca's eyeglasses adjustment is a cool animation.  All systems on! Begin energy transfer! A Strange Happening  What's happening? My pendant...it's...  Uhhhh  ...I get the feeling that wasn't supposed to happen.    At least this time one of Lucca's experiments only resulted in a person going missing.   The warp field seemed to be affected by her pendant... What are we going to do now?  Nice touch, the Pendant is no longer in our inventory. So, Marle has disappeared due to her pendant messing up the Telepod. Most people would be afraid to even interact with this device again, especially knowing Lucca's reputation and what just happened with Marle. Crono's Theme  Most people don't have the courage and compassion that Crono holds, though.   Listen! I don't know where this machine is going to send you, but we haven't any other choice. Won't they both be lost? Crono's willing to get lost in time and space itself to rescue some woman he met a couple hours ago. You know how I mentioned earlier that Crono doesn't need words to explain his character? His actions, his determination, the music speak more here than Crono would ever need to.  Begin energy transfer! Roger! Roger!   And so Crono goes to who knows where... https://mp4.mega64.net/ct/02/186.mp4  ...into parts unknown.  ...Maybe this was a mistake.
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Yeah, there's a couple of lies I may have said in that update to hide some surprises in case I have people who never played the game reading this LP. No need to correct me on those (but anything else, feel free!)animeluva1 posted:Can we post our favorite CT merch? As long as it doesn't spoil anything we haven't seen yet, I'm cool with it. If you're not sure, PM me.
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Well I can wait a few updates, then. There isn't as much official merchandise as I'd like but boy does the CT fan community make up for it.
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I 100% agree with your assessment of Crono's character. While the other characters mostly speak for him, his body language and the characters' reactions to him definitely spell out a lot of what he's saying or thinking and it's a pretty strong characterization.
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Gato is the best. Also I love having a horde of cats at Crono's house. I'm sure there's a  GameFAQs guide about it but if you go back to the Fair and get food semi-regularly throughout the game it kind of takes care of itself.
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Gato is amazing and good. It's been a while since I played this game, I'm going to have to listen tot he music links more, because I forgot just how good some of these tunes were. I said it before, Mitsuda is incredible.
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I would argue that Crono does work as someone to project on to... But only in a limited sense. You get a very clear idea of what he's saying but the actual details of what he's saying are left to your imagination. I feel that it's a more honest take on balancing the line between 'player insert' and 'static story' that was common in games back when. Another game that does it to great effect is Ys: Oath in Felgana where all of the main character's lines are delivered by a narrator reading generic 'Adol said a thing' or 'Adol agreed to the plan' filler dialogue. Regarding the race, following the man's hints can give you a better win rate. The breakdown is generally that there's 4/5 speeds the racers can be set at: Super Blazing Fast, fast, mediocre, slow and why-are-you-running-instead-of-seeing-a-doctor slow. The man's hints tend to pick one of the racers who's in the first three categories, he very rarely picks someone who's slow. It's also possible to 'cheat' at the races if the two faster racers are at the same speed. Because they're sprites they have to respect Crono's presence so if you happen to pick a racer and they're neck-and-neck with another, you can somewhat hold up that other racer and let your dude win. It's rather finicky though. Bonus complication: racers can switch speeds mid-race. I have no idea how that's done I just know that it happens. Of course, reliably winning at the races takes a lot more effort and time than just beating up Gato over and over. He resets on screen transition and the border is right there. Fun fact about Marle: You have to run into her. If you move into her path and then stand there, nothing happens and she'll walk around you. It's a weird little detail but there is a reason for it. Also, Marle is only the weakest character in the game if you ignore that Speed is the God Stat and while Marle's kinda slow for a CT character (speed of 8,) she's fast enough to do things that other character's can't. She fills a very specific niche that I'll go into if Mega64 doesn't down the line. Hint: It involves Combo Techs. Combo Tech's are a critically important part of gameplay and it's neat to see how they took a simple set of rules and balanced every character around them. There's some weird characterizations surrounding Marle in the original, but overall I wouldn't call her ditzy. When I hear ditzy I think 'valley girl' and the vibe I get from this (and the DS translation) is more that she's just having lots of fun and poking fun at Crono for doing silly optional minigames. Even with the Telepod it's like 'woah that looked like it was fun, I would like to try it too!' That's of course going with the translation. In japanese I wouldn't be surprised if her character was taken from the really obvious Dragonball reference Bulma. IE: Marle was the tomboy go-out-and-get-what-you-want part of Bulma from Dragonball, while Lucca was the super genius part of Bulma. 'cause yeah. A working teleport pad in a world where the next most technological form of transport is a ferry. Lucca is dang smart.
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Also, since we met Gato: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrqsLbdcJYo
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Taban's animation for working the telepod is just pounding on it with a hammer, probably because the original draft of the game was just a bog standard medieval setting RPG, and he was supposed to be a blacksmith. The time travel stuff came later.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk4ALuB3BVc These guys are pretty good.
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Chrono Trigger? One of my favorite games!  I don't remember when I first played it, but it was definitely in the 90's and has remained in my top 5 favorite games since then. 
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Minor spoiler for something later. Isn't the girl with the lost cat bugged if you talk to her first? BrokenLink fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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You say 'Lucca invented a teleporter in 1000 AD' but uh that's a bit misleading. These ain't the middle ages by a long shot. Look at Crono's house. There's a modern looking fridge, a sink with a tap, an oven/stove combination, what looks like possibly a radio, and in his room, a mechanical typewriter. The fridge at the very least shows that this is an era in which electricity is common place. Of course, teleporters don't exist in real life either but 1000 AD in Crono Trigger seems to correspond with, depending on where you look, some point in our 20th century. The most out of place thing is the occassional guy walking around in a full suit of armor. The castle guards have modern guard uniforms at least.
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It's weird anachronous anime fantasy middle ages.
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Carbon dioxide posted:You say 'Lucca invented a teleporter in 1000 AD' but uh that's a bit misleading. You're not wrong on a single point of that, but there's one really important fact you're missing. We have all of those and don't have teleporters.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:It's weird anachronous anime fantasy middle ages. Then again, when everything is within walking distance, why would you need bikes? (Plus there are no horses or pack animals to be seen either.) There's fridges, sinks, instant tents, cat food, a radio on Crono's desk etc. that all implies a certain level of technology. Teleportation is way beyond that. Trasson posted:You're not wrong on a single point of that, but there's one really important fact you're missing. Which is also an invention of Lucca's 
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Thanks for the cool remixes. And yeah, the orchestrated ones are a lil' overdone. It's hard not to compare them to one another and just listen to the one you think is best. I ended up digging out my old DS version cartridge while going through the closet earlier. It's only a matter of time before I get the DS itself and a charger. So thanks in advance for getting me to play this one more time, Mega64. I'll probably end up playing Chrono Cross too
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Now I’m wondering what radio stations even exist in 1000AD. I wouldn’t be surprised if the only radio station in the world was run by DJ Lucca.
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It's the Piano Man from Poore.
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Blind Sally posted:It's the Piano Man from Poore. I hope they don't let him drive the ferry.
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Blind Sally posted:It's the Piano Man from Poore. "You're now listening to the Hip Hop Snail Stop where we have the best Porre beats and the smoothest Guardia tunes. Before we get started today I'd just like to thank all of our listeners out there for checking in on the day of the fair. Here's to another millennia of awesomeness! And now for the music. He's no man but by God can he make that piano jam it's Joe on our one and only piano~! Let's start the day off with something upbeat, please!"
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Bregor posted:I hope they don't let him drive the ferry. > Play a sad one, Joe! steers ferry into whirlpool
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EponymousMrYar posted:We also don't have fully autonomous robots capable of bipedal locomotion and singing about their metal joints and how they'd award us 15 silver points. Look, you don't have to remind all of us how much the world sucks.
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Tuxedo Ted posted:Thanks for the cool remixes. And yeah, the orchestrated ones are a lil' overdone. It's hard not to compare them to one another and just listen to the one you think is best. Hmm, that's a good idea. Speaking of which, are you doing Cross after this Mega64? Mega64 posted:Now I’m wondering what radio stations even exist in 1000AD. Without even looking, I'd bet money there is a DJ Lucca somewhere in the world with purple hair and that weird steampunk helmet thing.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Hmm, that's a good idea. Speaking of which, are you doing Cross after this Mega64? I've only played half of it and really have no investment in the game itself, so nah. No clue what my next LP would be, but then I'm only 2 updates into this one so it's a moot point anyway.
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Blind Sally posted:Oh, here are some remixes for the other tracks we've heard so far: I was going to post moonbowmusicmovie CT covers but you did it first. They're worth subscribing and getting notifications for. Occasionally they do live streams and play video games songs. They did a lot more tracks, but here's what you've officially heard so far that moonbowmusicmovie covered: Chrono Trigger Theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOSVcBRV0Qc Millenial Fair Theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA0za1SUK4U EDIT: Links looked weird but now should be fixed. animeluva1 fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Aw hell yeah, a Chrono Trigger LP and it's Mega64 at the helm? Life is good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLWb4eYb_iM
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OK, when I said "Post your favorites" I was expecting maybe two or three links, not all this. Thanks a bunch for organizing these tunes Blind Sally and everyone else.
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Tuxedo Ted posted:OK, when I said "Post your favorites" I was expecting maybe two or three links, not all this. Thanks a bunch for organizing these tunes Blind Sally and everyone else. You would not believe the number of Chrono Trigger remixes that exist, especially of some later tracks.
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Yeah, when I saw that beautifully curated list of remixes, my first thought was "Man, I can't wait till we get to X and also Y, they'll be remixes for days." I nearly linked some of my favorites until I realized they were full of spoilers, so I will have to wait.
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