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At this point, I'm convinced Death Stranding isn't a real game, it's just a running troll between Kojima, Del Toro, Reedus and Mikkelsen to see how long they can keep making weird disjointed arthouse short films and get them screened at E3 before someone finally asks them to just stop already.
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Square Enix is going to release final fantasy 16, and Kojima will reveal that it was Death Stranding the whole time.
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Jul 30, 2018 02:42
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death stranding will be a minigame in ff16, which itself will be a hidden sidegame in half-life 3 appearing on the phantom all of which will eventually reveal itself to be a small part of frog fractions 2
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Jul 30, 2018 02:48
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:kojima is the japanese david cage, both in his gigantic creepiness towards women and in his writing being fuckawful but somehow getting a baffling amount of praise anyway 
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Jul 30, 2018 02:50
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:kojima is the japanese david cage, both in his gigantic creepiness towards women and in his writing being fuckawful but somehow getting a baffling amount of praise anyway He directs games that are actually fun.
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Jul 30, 2018 02:50
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David Cage is much worse than we all thought - https://www.canardpc.com/373/strange-atmosphere-quantic-dream (warning, link is  )quote:CanardPC did an in depth investigation on Quantic Dream and found tons of garbage behavior from David Cage and staff. For the sake of brevity, some of the lesser bad things included:
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Jul 30, 2018 02:54
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Kibayasu posted:He directs games that are actually fun. i will concede that he directs actual games. i would say it's a huge stretch to consider a quantic dream product to be a 'game'. WampaLord posted:David Cage is much worse than we all thought - https://www.canardpc.com/373/strange-atmosphere-quantic-dream (warning, link is pretty sure i read ages ago that the female lead in indigo prophecy/farenheit was modeled on his cousin, face scanning and all, and that character has a topless sex scene and also grinds on cg david cage in her underwear during the end credits. david cage is a creepy fuckin weirdo.
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WampaLord posted:David Cage is much worse than we all thought - https://www.canardpc.com/373/strange-atmosphere-quantic-dream (warning, link is Jesus. How trustworthy is this site for reporting?
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Jul 30, 2018 02:59
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Procrastinator posted:Jesus. How trustworthy is this site for reporting? considering the things we do factually know about cage like putting a nude ellen page model in beyoind two souls despite her having a very strict non-nudity clause in every single contract she signs, or how absolutely godawful every single aspect of madison from heavy rain is, none of what is in there sounds particularly hard to believe. especially considering the meatgrind hellworld that is game development, something that has been well documented across the industry and something that is almost always greatly magnified under the leadership of auteurs.
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Jul 30, 2018 03:07
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Darth Walrus posted:Pay closer attention to that post. This can be applied to most fiction period, nerd fiction is usually just a little louder about it
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Jul 30, 2018 03:12
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean its true. alot of japanese games have that kinda poo poo even the good/progressiveness ones like MGS. its make or break for people. for me, it depends. MGS i can stomach it because their is genuin good ideas/gameplay/story/themes. but other stuff, nah. i mean yoko taro makes all his weird poo poo part of themes and the plot, so thats cool, as does kojima(with varying success.)   Let Yoko Taro is the hero the video game industry needs, but does not deserve. (Man, I still haven't played Nier: Automata yet)
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Jul 30, 2018 03:31
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Who praises a David Cage. I have never heard anyone say anything positive about his writing.
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Jul 30, 2018 03:58
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Darth Walrus posted:Pay closer attention to that post. sorry. also yeah, good point. nerd culture is gross in general. WampaLord posted:David Cage is much worse than we all thought - https://www.canardpc.com/373/strange-atmosphere-quantic-dream (warning, link is wow, what a loving rear end in a top hat, always knew he was a weird gently caress nut. but holy poo poo. DEEP STATE PLOT posted:kojima is the japanese david cage, both in his gigantic creepiness towards women and in his writing being fuckawful but somehow getting a baffling amount of praise anyway Kojima is just a weird horny dude who likes rear end and tits in games and can make pretty good political messages and ideas with weird poo poo and deep gameplay. Cage is basicaly the poser dipshit who thinks he is a giant genius but instead is weird dipshit who collects nudes of people. Max Wilco posted:
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Jul 30, 2018 04:01
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CharlestheHammer posted:Who praises a David Cage. I thought his newest game was passable. its still dumb and tone deaf as all gently caress but it has other writers keeping it sorta interesting(haven't really beaten it or even gotten far because other better games). that being said, its still meh. his other stuff is much dumber and worse.
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Jul 30, 2018 04:03
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That Ellen Page thing is very creepy. Even 90s Deep Space Nine knew that was sexual harassment and a prosecutable offense.
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Jul 30, 2018 04:08
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business hammocks posted:That Ellen Page thing is very creepy. Even 90s Deep Space Nine knew that was sexual harassment and a prosecutable offense. i "love" this picture.  she looks mix of miserable, bored and creeped out. green goblin just looks like he doesn't want to be their and cage is trying to sound like the deep artist.
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Jul 30, 2018 04:11
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Kojima is just a weird horny dude who likes rear end and tits in games and can make pretty good political messages and ideas with weird poo poo and deep gameplay. Cage is basicaly the poser dipshit who thinks he is a giant genius but instead is weird dipshit who collects nudes of people. Yeah, Cage is an absolute piece of poo poo, and mentioning him in the same breath as Kojima, who at least (usually) makes amazing games and actually tries to say things beyond the most vapid noncommittal wishy-washy bullshit that Cage drops in his games and whenever someone calls him out on it in an interview.
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Jul 30, 2018 04:14
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The only good thing to come out of D:BH is this: https://twitter.com/HazelMonforton/status/1020900334078758913
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Jul 30, 2018 04:16
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sorry. also yeah, good point. nerd culture is gross in general. yeah, there's definitely a lot of gross stuff in Japanese media, but it bugs me when people treat it like it's inherent, or unique to anime poo poo; esp. when there's a lot of Japanese nerd media that have female creators/treat their female characters well edit: not trying to accuse you in particular of doing this but it's definitely a common sentiment
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Yeah, Cage is an absolute piece of poo poo, and mentioning him in the same breath as Kojima, who at least (usually) makes amazing games and actually tries to say things beyond the most vapid noncommittal wishy-washy bullshit that Cage drops in his games and whenever someone calls him out on it in an interview. yeah, kojima has his issues and not all of his stuff sticks(quiet and most of 4) but he seems like a genuinely decent person and he knows how to make good female characters. he has his flaws but they are outweighed by his strengths. Cage is just a hack who tries to hard and sound smart.
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dmboogie posted:yeah, there's definitely a lot of gross stuff in Japanese media, but it bugs me when people treat it like it's inherent, or unique to anime poo poo; esp. when there's a lot of Japanese nerd media that have female creators/treat their female characters well i know. still didn't mean to offend. most of the anime i watched was when i was a kid. i plan to try getting into different stuff, but games, books, herp supplies always take a priority. right now i have been playing the gently caress out of vermintide 2 and getting used to a new house.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The only good thing to come out of D:BH is this: I feel like this playthrough was pretty good too:  
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CharlestheHammer posted:Who praises a David Cage. games media fuckin loves david cage. heavy rain was a huge goddamn deal that got lots of critical praise when it came out and it sold over 5 million copies. a lot of people both in games media and among the general gaming public hold his writing up as among the absolute best writing in gaming. it's absurd.
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Cage is so washy washy he said that Detroit game had nothing to with slavery. Despite having a black character basically equate the two.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i "love" this picture. Please tell me someone did a video that's just a slow zoom-in on Dafoe's face while that sad Donnie Darko cover of "Mad World" plays. A lifetime of regret captured in a single image.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:games media fuckin loves david cage. heavy rain was a huge goddamn deal that got lots of critical praise when it came out and it sold over 5 million copies. do they? i have seen people mostly poo poo on him.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Cage is so washy washy he said that Detroit game had nothing to with slavery. whats worse is he isn't even original with it. like others have done that kinda thing and it worked somewhat.
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Didn't Detroit also patch in the ability to get a new slave hostess if you freed your original one, basically negating the entire message/point of the game?
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Most entertainment everywhere is pretty sexist/racist/other brands of bigoted. Anime as an industry right now has basically done the same thing capes comics in the US did, catering really heavily toward the grognardiest demographic because they spend a lot of money on their fandoms. There's a variety of anime- much of it not as garbage as the fanservice stuff- but it's a definite problem that's going on right now in the medium.
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I think my favourite thing about Detroit was someone in this thread posting the dumb as gently caress ending where the entire revolution is revealed to have been a conspiracy by cyber-life to somehow use robots to seize a state for themselves as a stepping stone to taking control of the entire nation, saying it was hidden away behind non-obvious choices but the existence of it invalidated the entire rest of the game's themes - and then I watched my favourite lets-players Men Drinkin' Coffee (free plug) play through the entire game only to become so fed up near the end that they intentionally tried to get everyone killed just so they could stop playing but just ended up activating that insanely niche and stupid ending.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:speaking of crime games. Yeah, part of what makes Dog Days so utterly fascinating is that it feels like it would be at least interesting if it weren't so god drat unplayable. Also if it had an ending that wasn't so abrupt that it becomes comical.
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I love how people here are praising Hideo Kojima as progressive and good when MGS4 had a button for molesting people , PW had most of the cast creeping on someone they thought was underage and 5 has you recruit a loving slave legion by kidnapping them and sending them across the ocean to be brain washed. Survive was a lot more progressive what with none of the female characters being fetishised , almost more black characters than than the rest of the series combined and it's entire theme is reuse ,recycle and repurpose which is contrasted with the earlier MGS games spending tons of resources to repeat the same plot points and set pieces.FoldableHuman posted:Yeah, part of what makes Dog Days so utterly fascinating is that it feels like it would be at least interesting if it weren't so god drat unplayable. Honestly I found the first K&L succeeded better at being interesting, especially as a contrast to today's dad games. Two completely unsympathetic balding white guns loving everything up because of some macho protect my family bullshit and the game does nothing to present them as being even close to right. Kane even fails at redeeming himself when he tries instead of the game going, " he did a good thing at the end so every lovely thing is forgotten" like is common in games nowadays.
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The K&L games had some great multiplayer at least. I loved the tension of wondering which, if any of your allies would turn on the group in the heat of the heists and feeling like you should just do it yourself sometimes.
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The multiplayer in Dog Days was cool, it was a shame that it was a bit broken and had some bad maps. Also I think voice chat was on by default, so it was fun to listen to a guy's fan, TV or random background shouting every game because someone forgot their mic was on. For what it's worth, Dog Days was also willing to go legitimately dark in ways that didn't quite feel like "Whoa, aren't we EXTREME!!!." Wounded cops would beg for their lives and lots of background civilians would die from stray fire without the plot focusing on it.
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Garrand posted:Didn't Detroit also patch in the ability to get a new slave hostess if you freed your original one, basically negating the entire message/point of the game? This one gets laughed at, but it's not really that dumb; The point is, at the end of your playthrough you get asked to let your "own" android go free after she's been with you the entire way offering minor comments and slowly turning Deviant herself. And it's a neat idea. Except that Detroit isn't meant to be played through only once, so you just wind up noticing the lack of neat commentary on all the other paths you take and any poignancy of the choice is dead anyway.
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Hel posted:I love how people here are praising Hideo Kojima as progressive and good when MGS4 had a button for molesting people , PW had most of the cast creeping on someone they thought was underage and 5 has you recruit a loving slave legion by kidnapping them and sending them across the ocean to be brain washed. Survive was a lot more progressive what with none of the female characters being fetishised , almost more black characters than than the rest of the series combined and it's entire theme is reuse ,recycle and repurpose which is contrasted with the earlier MGS games spending tons of resources to repeat the same plot points and set pieces. Lol at the idea that the lovely cash in game is progressive. Also PW and 5 has you playing as the literal bad guys.
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Hel posted:I love how people here are praising Hideo Kojima as progressive and good when MGS4 had a button for molesting people , PW had most of the cast creeping on someone they thought was underage and 5 has you recruit a loving slave legion by kidnapping them and sending them across the ocean to be brain washed Kojima makes rad games is what I'm getting from this
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Kojima can do good stuff but why would anyone call him progressive?
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Hel posted:I love how people here are praising Hideo Kojima as progressive and good when MGS4 had a button for molesting people Has anyone actually said this? Also almost every Kojima game has a molest button of some sort, it ain't unique to MGS4. Policenauts let you grope the boobies of almost every lady you meet. That was p. Much his first game.
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KayTee posted:Has anyone actually said this? Turns out it was mostly Dapper_Swindler doing that. No but MGS 4 let's you do that to every enemy, and they even bother to make them react differently depending on your face camo. They put effort into being this lovely. Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, kojima has his issues and not all of his stuff sticks(quiet and most of 4) but he seems like a genuinely decent person and he knows how to make good female characters. he has his flaws but they are outweighed by his strengths. Cage is just a hack who tries to hard and sound smart. Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean its true. alot of japanese games have that kinda poo poo even the good/progressiveness ones like MGS. its make or break for people. for me, it depends. MGS i can stomach it because their is genuin good ideas/gameplay/story/themes. but other stuff, nah. i mean yoko taro makes all his weird poo poo part of themes and the plot, so thats cool, as does kojima(with varying success.) CharlestheHammer posted:Lol at the idea that the lovely cash in game is progressive. Big Boss hasn't been bad guy since like MGS3 and the ending of 4 mad him a straight up good guy, PW and 5 even has him out saving the world multiple times because he's a hero, still pretty bad to make most of your cast pedophiles. And yeah, Survive is way more progressive than the Kojima games, maybe it turned out that the team doing the actual work might have a better grasp of how to do things than the one guy at the top, Also it's odd that the cash in game has a way more lenient monetization scheme than MGS5, no need to buy insurance for your resources in Survive. Hel fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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