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Jimbot posted:I think this stuff is worse in 5 because the whole game is fighting against corrupt power that the system created (instead of the system itself, which should have been the target) because of those elements harming the little people with little to no power. But that only extends to the straights. Those gays are awful and pedophiles and should be mocked accordingly. In 4, it's bad, but the gruff comes from a lovely teenager who's kind of an rear end in a top hat to everyone. Outside the murder mystery, there's a lot of teenage anxiety about the future and what society expects of them in the game. Not just from your party members but from the NPCs you can talk to as well. Also the release of Persona 5 was about ten years after 4 and somehow the social politics of the game regressed. Playing P5 it’s very clear all the attention was put into the first dungeon/section of the game and it’s so obvious how weak the design and writing of the game is after it. I also though the writing of the game was absolute garbage but that could be my increasing impatience and distaste for anime writing. Every scene had about twenty too many dialogue boxes when the point of any scene was easily understandable after the first couple lines of dialogue.
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Old Swerdlow posted:Also the release of Persona 5 was about ten years after 4 and somehow the social politics of the game regressed. No Persona 5 has a uniquely repeating thing. I’ve never seen a game tell you the same info so many times. I think it was more to fill space rather than tell you this as writing actual dialogue is hard.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MQWQv_AGY SF Debris looks at Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, aka the best Batman film ever made. Here's a link to the full review.
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Motto posted:wasn't this a college paper or something Yeah, it was a college paper arguing that attempts to impose American morality laws on Japan are a type of imperialism and fail to account for what actual Japanese critics have to say about Japanese culture, disregarding existing internal movements to reform Japanese pedophilia laws.
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How old was this woman when she worked for Nintendo? You’d think she would be smart enough to say that a freshman comp essay or whatever doesn’t accurately reflect her adult views and that, I don’t know, her peers wrote essays about way stupider poo poo and college exists to teach you not to be stupid.
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She said a lot of weird and hosed up poo poo on Twitter too that can't just be waved away with academia. I mean we're talking about someone who, when an offender was busted because their house was burgled and the thieves happened to find tons of actual abuse images (NOT illustrations), their first thought was basically "This is legal bullshit! What about those burglars?" Kim Justice fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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I mean there is an argument to be made that Americans are a bit hypocritical especially since we have laws that basically protect pedos if they use marriage as an out, but that is not the argument being made.
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Kim Justice posted:when an offender was busted because their house was burgled and the thieves happened to find tons of actual abuse images (NOT illustrations), loving owned.
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yea if I remember right the core (if a bit poorly worded) point was just 'Americans acting like Japan is some land of just open child rape that needs The Civilizing Western Hand to fix it ignore the reality of the fight against child abuse in the country. Also it's a little hypocritical when we have a long and still going on history of our own grappling with this issue and maybe should focus on cleaning that up here before we decide that we're the only people who can fix other countries'. It was a poorly written thing but what a shock it got turned into Pizzagate for Gamers or whatever because women doing a sex thing not with me is basically misandry so clearly she's a secret pedophile
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean there is an argument to be made that Americans are a bit hypocritical especially since we have laws that basically protect pedos if they use marriage as an out, but that is not the argument being made. Or that "BARELY LEGAL TEENS" type poo poo is still such a gross thing that gets plenty of use. sexpig by night posted:Yea if I remember right the core (if a bit poorly worded) point was just 'Americans acting like Japan is some land of just open child rape that needs The Civilizing Western Hand to fix it ignore the reality of the fight against child abuse in the country. Also it's a little hypocritical when we have a long and still going on history of our own grappling with this issue and maybe should focus on cleaning that up here before we decide that we're the only people who can fix other countries'. It was a poorly written thing but what a shock it got turned into Pizzagate for Gamers or whatever because women doing a sex thing not with me is basically misandry so clearly she's a secret pedophile. That sounds about right, but then I'm the stupid that without fail will pipe up when people start in on "HEH, well in japan the age of consent is 13!" because that's one of those stupid rear end dishonest pop-factoids based on using the worst reading of the situation. Japan's age of consent poo poo is pretty much the 'states age of consent' deal, where each prefecture decides their own AoC which overrides anything else and most of them are on the mid to upper end of teens like most places, but that's too much effort to know when most people parroting that are just looking to call a country/race pedophiles. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Thanks for the music video, Crystal Rhoney and Dan Olson. Charlie Tango
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Ryuga Death posted:Thanks for the music video, Crystal Rhoney and Dan Olson. Rap remix when tho?
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Persona 5 had a lot of good aspects but it also made it abundantly clear that the persona team has been coasting on P3's reputation ever since it came out.
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Ryuga Death posted:Thanks for the music video, Crystal Rhoney and Dan Olson. This is absolutely incredible and also I wanted to say that the fifty shades reviews are some of the best content on YouTube.
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Yardbomb posted:That sounds about right, but then I'm the stupid that without fail will pipe up when people start in on "HEH, well in japan the age of consent is 13!" because that's one of those stupid rear end dishonest pop-factoids based on using the worst reading of the situation. Japan's age of consent poo poo is pretty much the 'states age of consent' deal, where each prefecture decides their own AoC which overrides anything else and most of them are on the mid to upper end of teens like most places, but that's too much effort to know when most people parroting that are just looking to call a country/race pedophiles. And the age of consent in every prefecture is 18. IIRC, the "national" age of 13 is there to cover cases of sex between teenagers (which also must be approved by the parents of both teens.)
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Bakeneko posted:I personally really hated P5’s whole “phantom thieves” gimmick with all its attendant silliness. The game is trying to tell a serious story about things like pedophilia, child abuse and political corruption, but then it has the characters running around in ridiculous costumes with a chibi cat-creature, pretending to steal things in order to make bad people feel guilty. I know it changes the routine a bit toward the end, but that was too little too late for me. It might be worth noting that Persona 5 got delayed a few times, and I believe it went through a few redesigns, so the end product probably ended up the way it did because it was an amalgam of different plans and concepts that they decided to sign off on to get it out the door. Old Swerdlow posted:Playing P5 it’s very clear all the attention was put into the first dungeon/section of the game and it’s so obvious how weak the design and writing of the game is after it. I have a similar feeling, where I thought the first arc/palace worked really well on its own, and that the rest of the game doesn't quite reach that high again (most people have the feeling that the game really drops off once you hit the 5th palace). I like the writing throughout; the anime nature (?) of it didn't really phase me, either because I have a high tolerance to it, or because it was the first JRPG that I've played in a real long time. EDIT: It just occurred to me that Persona 5 Dancing came out just a day or so ago. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Old Swerdlow posted:I also though the writing of the game was absolute garbage but that could be my increasing impatience and distaste for anime writing. Every scene had about twenty too many dialogue boxes when the point of any scene was easily understandable after the first couple lines of dialogue. i feel like this is just bad writing, and not, "anime writing"
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dmboogie posted:i feel like this is just bad writing, and not, "anime writing" When it comes to most anime is there a difference? I mean I love watching Jojo but most of the dialogue is a character explaining what they are going to do and then another character stating exactly how they will stop them. Yeah, there are exceptions but they are exceedingly rare. But I don’t want to get too far in to an anime digression because it’s mostly a taste/tolerance issue.
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Despite being animation, Anime often (not always, mind you) relies heavily on internal monologues or expository declarations to convey story and character. That is all.
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Let me tell you all about low effort anime animation, from the guy who 100%'d a Neptunia game. *bends over* *farts on own face*
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watch mushishi, folks
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Alaois posted:watch mushishi, folks  watch the original kino's journey, too
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watch liz and the blue bird
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watch mononoke, the series.
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Watch stuff. Keep watching if you like it.
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dmboogie posted:i feel like this is just bad writing, and not, "anime writing" also yeah P5's issue on that count is mostly its own. it has very little confidence in its audience to remember things or too many script revisions ramming into each other so they feel the need to reconfirm the plot as-is to ensure coherency. there are entire scenes and characters that exist solely to recount and explain the plot in the most laborious way possible Motto fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Motto posted:also yeah P5's issue on that count is mostly its own. it has very little confidence in its audience to remember things or too many script revisions ramming into each other so they feel the need to reconfirm the plot as-is to ensure coherency. there are entire scenes and characters that exist solely to recount and explain the plot in the most laborious way possible the group chats were the absolute worst for this it was a genius idea but there's like one (1) joke i actually remember from it, and everything else is just recap or "boy I hope this guy will actually have a change of heart" over and over again
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Oh yeah, speaking of anime. More on tumblr's current implosion! https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/4/18126112/tumblr-porn-ban-verizon-ad-goals-sex-work-fandom
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Old Swerdlow posted:When it comes to most anime is there a difference? I mean I love watching Jojo but most of the dialogue is a character explaining what they are going to do and then another character stating exactly how they will stop them. That's not an anime thing. That's a high-concept action comic thing. Jojo is adapted from a story that tried to use static black-and-white images on fairly small pages to depict, for example, a dude who can turn inanimate objects into animals fighting a guy who can unzip anything he touches with giant cartoon zippers. No poo poo the dialogue is doing some heavy lifting to explain what the hell is going on. You'll notice that it shows up a lot less in anime-original action shows, which by their nature can make better use of visual storytelling to show what's happening (assuming they have the time and manpower - the more limited your animation, the more you have to explain poo poo). Compare, say, Dragonball Z to Gundam Thunderbolt.
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Gundam Thunderbolt is based off a manga. It gets around it by not being fifty episodes long.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Gundam Thunderbolt is based off a manga. Well, so was Dragon Ball Z. Your point being?
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Arcsquad12 posted:Gundam Thunderbolt is based off a manga. It gets around it by not being fifty episodes long. Whoops, yeah, my bad. A better example might be one of the recent long-running Gundam TV shows like Iron-Blooded Orphans (but not the older ones, because Yoshiyuki Tomino is a very special person). Way less narration and reaction shots than you'd get in most manga-derived action shonen.
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RareAcumen posted:Oh yeah, speaking of anime. More on tumblr's current implosion!
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Darth Walrus posted:Whoops, yeah, my bad. A better example might be one of the recent long-running Gundam TV shows like Iron-Blooded Orphans (but not the older ones, because Yoshiyuki Tomino is a very special person). Way less narration and reaction shots than you'd get in most manga-derived action shonen. What are you talking about? People often complain that Tomino's characters are weird because they don't act lik anime cliché.
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Darth Walrus posted:That's not an anime thing. That's a high-concept action comic thing. Jojo is adapted from a story that tried to use static black-and-white images on fairly small pages to depict, for example, a dude who can turn inanimate objects into animals fighting a guy who can unzip anything he touches with giant cartoon zippers. No poo poo the dialogue is doing some heavy lifting to explain what the hell is going on. You'll notice that it shows up a lot less in anime-original action shows, which by their nature can make better use of visual storytelling to show what's happening (assuming they have the time and manpower - the more limited your animation, the more you have to explain poo poo). Compare, say, Dragonball Z to Gundam Thunderbolt.
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RareAcumen posted:Oh yeah, speaking of anime. More on tumblr's current implosion! what money are they actually making from it? is it just date sales and add revenue?
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I tried to watch Iron-Blooded Orphans but the melodrama was just too much for me. I pushed past the harem crew despite my eyes almost rolling out of their sockets but I kind of gave up on the show around the beginning of that labor strike uprising thing.
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VolticSurge posted:Well, so was Dragon Ball Z. Your point being? Read my second sentence. When a season of Thunderbolt is only an hour and a half long, they don't have a lot of time to waste on monologues or grandstanding, and the show has to convey its plot solely through action. Thunderbolt has one of the best mobile suit duels in the entire franchise and the two characters have maybe two lines poo poo talking each other, while the rest is grunting and actually fighting.
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RareAcumen posted:Oh yeah, speaking of anime. More on tumblr's current implosion! 
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