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ArfJason posted:For some reason i keep getting rec'd Destiny videos and he has debates with like sargon of akkad, the guy who used to work with maddox and now apparently that anime guy digibro. It prob makes him decent money at this point
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ArfJason posted:For some reason i keep getting rec'd Destiny videos and he has debates with like sargon of akkad, the guy who used to work with maddox and now apparently that anime guy digibro. I think he was right-wing at first or something and then he pivoted to not. But hey, Faraday Speaks listed him as one of the poeple who helped break him out of that mindset so he's doing some good too at the least.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:23
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Yeah a lot of "I used to be poo poo" people cite him, so keep trucking dude I'd say.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:28
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He's basically a moron but became antifascist after debating a few right-wing youtube people and discovering how absolutely stupid they were, so now he seeks them out with the intention of humiliating them. And there is something to be said about needing a moron to fight a moron: he doesn't fall for any of their tricks because he's not arguing in good faith, and he basically pulls them all himself, which they don't know how to defend against.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:29
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:He's basically a moron but became antifascist after debating a few right-wing youtube people and discovering how absolutely stupid they were, so now he seeks them out with the intention of humiliating them. And there is something to be said about needing a moron to fight a moron: he doesn't fall for any of their tricks because he's not arguing in good faith, and he basically pulls them all himself, which they don't know how to defend against. I envision of lot "No, you!"
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Apr 3, 2019 23:02
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https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1113615415656058882?s=19
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Apr 4, 2019 03:46
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"Fortnite has no lootboxes"-Yeetforce Ocho, completly ignoring that Fortnite's Save the World mode has lootboxes.
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marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:"Fortnite has no lootboxes"-Yeetforce Ocho, completly ignoring that Fortnite's Save the World mode has lootboxes. to be fair, does most of Fortnite's audience even know Save the World is a thing?
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Apr 4, 2019 04:20
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I'm glad I never got into Fortnite. God I had no idea the cosmetic scene was so hostile.
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Apr 4, 2019 04:28
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RareAcumen posted:I'm glad I never got into Fortnite. God I had no idea the cosmetic scene was so hostile. Same, I knew about a nebulous "lootboxes are bad" since I played TF2 back in the day, and I just assumed everyone copied that garbage. I didn't realize they were using casino-like skinnerbox poo poo to scalp children out of money. Disgusting.
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Apr 4, 2019 04:35
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To give TF2 and to a lesser extent Dota a bit of credit they at least let you "cash out" by selling your stuff for new games. Dota still pulls lootboxes, battle passes (I think they actually invented it), and one-time offer/fomo stuff - and in recent years they've even limited trading of items - so Valve is hardly clean, but being able to bypass a lot of the bullshit with the steam marketplace is at least something.
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Apr 4, 2019 04:55
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Boogie admits to tax fraud on stream and... yikes: https://streamable.com/wcmk5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
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Apr 4, 2019 07:08
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Ash Crimson posted:Boogie admits to tax fraud on stream and... yikes: Again, very stupid, especially since it is something a particularly unhinged person could use against you, but he’s lucky enough that it’s small potatoes stuff. So sadly I wouldn’t anticipate a Boogie Tax Fraud Trial.
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Apr 4, 2019 07:24
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Same, I knew about a nebulous "lootboxes are bad" since I played TF2 back in the day, and I just assumed everyone copied that garbage. I didn't realize they were using casino-like skinnerbox poo poo to scalp children out of money. Disgusting. I'm admittedly willing to give TF2 more of a pass than I should because I know largely how the trading scene works so getting weapons and items isn't that complicated in reality. A single 2.50$ key is enough to give you enough metal to buy basically every weapon in the game and it's only on reskinned promotional ones that you'll hit snags on. And buying something bumps you from free-to-play to Premium anyway. Still, I'm pretty sure they stopped letting cosmetics drop randomly anyway so gently caress em regardless of the marketplace fluctuating (Since they're not in control of that anyway).
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Apr 4, 2019 07:41
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Pants Donkey posted:Ehhhhhh it’s dumb but unless I missed something it sounds like relative chump change that the IRS isn’t going to be homing in on. Which is kind of his point. the irs loving loves going after people for small fry poo poo while ignoring actual massive white collar tax fraud. all you need to do is look at a map of irs audits by county vs. income level by county as proof of this.
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Apr 4, 2019 10:21
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:the irs loving loves going after people for small fry poo poo while ignoring actual massive white collar tax fraud. all you need to do is look at a map of irs audits by county vs. income level by county as proof of this. Eh, the same thing is going to come of this as what came of Ice Poseidon openly admitting he was running a ponzi scheme live over the internet to an audience of thousands of people: nothing!
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Apr 4, 2019 10:30
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nine-gear crow posted:Eh, the same thing is going to come of this as what came of Ice Poseidon openly admitting he was running a ponzi scheme live over the internet to an audience of thousands of people: nothing! in all likelihood yes, i was merely pointing out that something being very minor does not at all preclude the irs from nailing your rear end to the wall anyway, especially if you're poor and/or not white. of course boogie is neither of those things so he will likely be just fine.
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Apr 4, 2019 10:36
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nine-gear crow posted:Eh, the same thing is going to come of this as what came of Ice Poseidon openly admitting he was running a ponzi scheme live over the internet to an audience of thousands of people: nothing! He’s currently being investigated by the fbi and has had all his computers seized. Although I don’t know what for.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:02
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:He’s currently being investigated by the fbi and has had all his computers seized. Although I don’t know what for. what
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Apr 4, 2019 12:16
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destiny has this odd obsession with descriptive vs normative claims instead of just dealing with facts or pointing out how silly something is. he actually argues in incredibly good faith when he usually shouldn't - he does that stupid "steelmanning" thing a lot. also has a hang up about constantly repeating someone's claims back to them because every time someone gets dunked on they whine later that he misrepresented their claims. call them liars dude no reason to eat up half your debate time repeating what they said back to them, anyone can watch the tape.Ada posted:To give TF2 and to a lesser extent Dota a bit of credit they at least let you "cash out" by selling your stuff for new games. Dota still pulls lootboxes, battle passes (I think they actually invented it), and one-time offer/fomo stuff - and in recent years they've even limited trading of items - so Valve is hardly clean, but being able to bypass a lot of the bullshit with the steam marketplace is at least something. yeah not being able to trade poo poo in say overwatch or apex is so loving dumb. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Apr 4, 2019 13:43
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Ada posted:To give TF2 and to a lesser extent Dota a bit of credit they at least let you "cash out" by selling your stuff for new games. Dota still pulls lootboxes, battle passes (I think they actually invented it), and one-time offer/fomo stuff - and in recent years they've even limited trading of items - so Valve is hardly clean, but being able to bypass a lot of the bullshit with the steam marketplace is at least something. this is exactly what that guy was talking about lmao thank god tf2 has "the good ones" of the lootbox scene
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Apr 4, 2019 14:33
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Ada posted:To give TF2 and to a lesser extent Dota a bit of credit they at least let you "cash out" by selling your stuff for new games. Dota still pulls lootboxes, battle passes (I think they actually invented it), and one-time offer/fomo stuff - and in recent years they've even limited trading of items - so Valve is hardly clean, but being able to bypass a lot of the bullshit with the steam marketplace is at least something. doesn't the ability to cash out into store credit make it more gambling-like and insidious, not less?
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CYBEReris posted:doesn't the ability to cash out into store credit make it more gambling-like and insidious, not less? In TF2s case? probably more since there are items worth thousands of dollars
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Apr 4, 2019 15:09
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watho posted:In TF2s case? probably more since there are items worth thousands of dollars yeah the first thing that came to mind was tangentially those CS:GO knives that go for ludicrous sums and I was like "wait, that's supposed to be healthier?"
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Ada posted:To give TF2 and to a lesser extent Dota a bit of credit they at least let you "cash out" by selling your stuff for new games. Dota still pulls lootboxes, battle passes (I think they actually invented it), and one-time offer/fomo stuff - and in recent years they've even limited trading of items - so Valve is hardly clean, but being able to bypass a lot of the bullshit with the steam marketplace is at least something. wait, you can sell your TF2 itiems for money? poo poo. thats cool. how do you do it.
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CYBEReris posted:doesn't the ability to cash out into store credit make it more gambling-like and insidious, not less? I suppose it does make it more like literal gambling. It does let individuals play the odds to try and make money, although the Dota system is that you can't get the same item again until you've gotten every item once so they're actually playing for the chance bonus item. I think most people though buy lootboxes to get that one cosmetic they like, and for those people getting a return on the ones they didn't like is nice. It is insidious in that it enables actual gambling, but the alternative of items having no actual value, most of a crate not even having value to you, and the totally random nature is also quite lovely just in a different way. You're probably right, though, that it's ultimately worse than Overwatch type boxes. I was thinking more along the Dota market and I don't think very many people are rolling Dota crates to make money. They're rolling CS:GO crates instead because the potential return is much higher.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wait, you can sell your TF2 itiems for money? poo poo. thats cool. how do you do it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wait, you can sell your TF2 itiems for money? poo poo. thats cool. how do you do it. If you have something common like a key to open crates with you can just put that on the Steam Marketplace and wait for someone to buy it. You can do that with basically anything really.
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Apr 4, 2019 16:49
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Ash Crimson posted:Boogie admits to tax fraud on stream and... yikes: 
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Apr 4, 2019 16:52
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corn in the bible posted:this is exactly what that guy was talking about lmao Lootboxes that literally don't open without real money will never be the good ones in my book.
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Apr 4, 2019 17:21
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This is incredibly unsurprising considering Jim Sterling still gets the stalwart defenders of Overwatch pulling the ole "it's just cosmetics!!!" routine. Fortnite managed to sneak in by blowing up right at the same time as multiple games (Battlefront 2, etc.) were getting nailed for lootboxes and other predatory poo poo. Compared to them Fortnite seems downright wholesome.
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Apr 4, 2019 17:24
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Groovelord Neato posted:destiny has this odd obsession with descriptive vs normative claims instead of just dealing with facts or pointing out how silly something is. he actually argues in incredibly good faith when he usually shouldn't - he does that stupid "steelmanning" thing a lot. also has a hang up about constantly repeating someone's claims back to them because every time someone gets dunked on they whine later that he misrepresented their claims. call them liars dude no reason to eat up half your debate time repeating what they said back to them, anyone can watch the tape. i caved and watched one of the Recommended Videos By Your Friend The Youtube Algorithm and basically this. sounds like he wants to be thorough to cover his rear end, but it results in people saying he puts words in their mouth so i dunno how effective that is
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yeah you'll see it happen in real time in some of the videos - a person will make a claim, he'll repeat it back to them (correctly), and they'll act like he's putting words in their mouth. it's a waste of time trying to get what they said "right" because they're just going to lie when it's obvious how dumb their position is.
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah you'll see it happen in real time in some of the videos - a person will make a claim, he'll repeat it back to them (correctly), and they'll act like he's putting words in their mouth. it's a waste of time trying to get what they said "right" because they're just going to lie when it's obvious how dumb their position is. yeah, it seems kind of a sisyphean task. I guess sisyphean tasks are in theory by their very nature commendable but not very practical. also i clicked another one and its him talking to this old black dude who keeps saying "YOU A BETA MALE YOU A BETA MALE" and one where some guy keeps laughing and says "you are retarded lmao you are so stupid" (I think it was a dude called No Bullshit). this has to be frustrating as hell
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The Bee posted:Lootboxes that literally don't open without real money will never be the good ones in my book. Yeah, the only thing that TF2 and CS:Go having going for them is the fact that you can just buy the things directly from a website instead of only being able to roll the dice on getting something you want.
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Apr 4, 2019 17:58
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, the only thing that TF2 and CS:Go having going for them is the fact that you can just buy the things directly from a website instead of only being able to roll the dice on getting something you want. If you're talking about third party stuff it does break down though thanks to the insane scale of prices for certain items. And those prices only exist because specific cool effect + specific cool hat had a 0.00001% drop chance from a specific crate that doesn't drop anymore. If you're talking about buying direct from Valve, well, that has the same general problem that Fornite has which is the prices on cosmetics are bonkers. It was always uniquely bizarre in Valve's case because you would often be faced with spending  on a single hat for a single character or spending that same on like, four quality games in a big Steam sale.
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ArfJason posted:also i clicked another one and its him talking to this old black dude who keeps saying "YOU A BETA MALE YOU A BETA MALE" and one where some guy keeps laughing and says "you are retarded lmao you are so stupid" (I think it was a dude called No Bullshit). yeah it'd drive me nuts because there's nothing worse that someone who's incredibly wrong acting condescending. no bullshit is one of the dumbest ones i listened to (him or that count dankula guy). he had a youtuber called naked ape on and ape just started screaming shut up shut up shut up over and over until destiny had to end the call. then made a video saying destiny was autistic.
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That old man has some kind of cognitive impairment. He didn’t seem to understand anything destiny said and just kept repeating his questions without even changing the wording whenever destiny asked a clarifying question (ie “what’s a beta male? I can’t tell you if I am one or not if I don’t know what they are.” “ARE YOU A BETA MALE?”). I know conservatives are dumb pieces of poo poo, but I can’t believe that self-hating old gomer appears to have a radio show with callers who aren’t just endlessly dunking on him.
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Groovelord Neato posted:there's nothing worse that someone who's incredibly wrong acting condescending. Antifa Turkeesian posted:(ie “what’s a beta male? I can’t tell you if I am one or not if I don’t know what they are.” “ARE YOU A BETA MALE?”). yeah that was very frustrating to watch, I eventually checked out because all of these not-really-debates are like 50 years long and i can only imagine they would use these as ludovico technique treatment for a modern day alex delarge
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