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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Max Wilco posted:

I wonder if the reason why dismemberment isn't a thing anymore is because they want to keep it below a M-rating so it'll sell better.

TheMaestroso posted:

The Jedi Knight games were all rated Teen.

I recall reading articles and interviews back in the mid-aughts that mentioned no/minimal dismemberment was absolutely a note handed down by Lucas Arts. The occasional arm lopped off was acceptable, but heads, legs, torsos, and gallons of blood were all a no-no.

Jedi Outcast (aka Dark Forces 3) was even developed by Raven Software. Before they became another CoD sweatshop, they were best known for their Soldier of Fortune games which were notorious back then for having some of the earliest examples of "realistic" damage modeling. When it came to Outcast, they coded the game to allow for complete dismemberment, but LA told them to scale it way back to the point that you might see an arm come off once every few dozen kills. It's all still in the game, though, and you can use the console to crank the feature up to 11 until storm trooper's whole bodies pop apart if you so much as brush past them with the lightsaber.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Dec 26, 2018

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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Viewtiful Jew posted:

I'm glad this short about being crushed to death by your own hand in an egg that Nickelodeon used to play years ago is easily available to find so I could confirm it was exactly how I remembered it. Dude was crushed to death in an egg by his own hand...I think?

Cyclical horror stories are always great, and probably the closest thing I can imagine to what a literal hell would be like. I recall Emily Carroll did one I like a lot, but I think it only shows up in her art book so I can't link to it.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Dec 30, 2018

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Hail Sobek is a pretty good Hail Satan alternative; I kinda hope it catches on.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Dang, he's up to almost 150k at 36-hours.

At this stage he could turn it into a thing with an annual charity "speed run" of some hellaciously long game.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Stupid question, is there a separate donation link for Mermaids or are his regular twitch donation going straight into the charity pot?

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



How loving long is DK 64? I know he's taking breaks to sleep, but dude is pushing sixty hours at this point.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



I think Ocasio-Cortez ended up on there because someone (Chelsea Manning?) signal boosted it to her twitter, so if you want the Bern or Jezza you'd probably have to get the attention of someone in their orbit with a direct line.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



It went request only for a while before being deleted. Maybe it caught the attention of the lovely parts of the internet?

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Yeah, like, I'm not sure anyone—even during most of the stream—realized how big it would get. Having Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez show up and getting retweets from Cher means major non-gaming news outlets running stories; you can already find pieces on The Hill, Slate, and Huffpost. That pushes the steam into a whole other level of visibility.

Thanks again, Graham.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jan 21, 2019

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Trying to follow the stuff with Vic and Hazukari but I'm not very big into anime and I find it interesting that most everything appears to be happening in twitter threads. Aren't there industry outlets (e.g. like Polygon or Kotaku are for games) that would run a story about these allegations?

I guess I find it weird that in 2018 the Con scene is still so underreported, undermanaged, and underregulated.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 21, 2019

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



stillvisions posted:

So many conventions just happened by happy accident, or the sheer force of will of a few nerdy people; I know some which literally were college anime clubs that decided to run a weekend event and 20+ years later it's the same people still running the con. Often those people aren't up for dealing with problems head on and won't get rid of problem people. That and combined with the old school sci-fi con attitude that bordered on swingers club if you knew the right people and you get organizations who will let stuff slide until it's way past appropriate.

I think my favorite anecdote that illustrates this is in the local sci-fi con scene - there's a guy with an unabashed foot fetish who would photograph girls' feet, any age, and post them online, especially with lots of sci-fi and fantasy costumes having minimal to no footwear. Instead of banning him for being a creep, they added a rule to require people to wear shoes, because he's "old guard" and they wouldn't want to start drama by banning one of them.

As much as the megacorporation conventions kinda leave a bad taste in my mouth they'll at least have enough understanding to cover their rear end and drop the hammer on people.

I get that sentiment. Like, fighting for net neutrality is a hassle, but I'm just barely old enough to remember Usenet and a return to that unfettered wasteland is not what I wish to see.

I'm just kinda surprised that so many ad hoc Cons continue to exist considering how often they seem to have conditions that're apt for abuse and exploitation. But I guess there's always going to be fringe cultural groups full of vulnerable or marginalized people to which predators will flock.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jan 22, 2019

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



nine-gear crow posted:

The thing that always weirds me out about him is that he clearly cannot grow a beard, yet he keeps trying in order to look all alpha manly when instead it just makes him look like a very dirty adult child.

Better to look like poo poo while conforming to a razor-thin definition of acceptable masculinity than to look halfway decent and risk someone calling you effeminate!

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009




Adopting an affect like this always gives me the willies. As though some inscrutable thing crawled inside a familiar skin but can't quite figure how to puppet its stolen flesh in a convincing manner.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Hiro Protagonist posted:

Quick question: what could actually be done about this? Not defending Google at all, I'm just amazed at pedophiles ability to find ways to skirt around each and every system put in place to prevent them from being the horrible people they are. It reminds me of all those videos of kids doing ASMR, where it becomes hard to distinguish from a dumb kid loving around on YouTube and purposeful child exploitation. Also, will admit I didn't see the full extent of the video, as it was too much.

What can be done is to hire a robust moderation staff who can take appropriate action to bust-up these kinds of communities whenever they coagulate on a platform. What will happen is nothing, because hiring those people costs money and unless this stuff gets signal boosted into national attention, Google won't bother. The tragically ironic thing is that the very same algorithm that makes it so easy collate all this poo poo also makes it super easy to trace for anyone actually looking, but nobody is looking.

Edit: and let's be clear here. The pedophiles, Nazis, rapists, and other extreme transgressives are not clever. They're parasites. Cultural nomads who will migrate to wherever moderation is lax. When one place that's long harbored them finally gets around to purging—reddit, 4chan, and hell even SA if you go back far enough—they simply pick up stakes and relocate.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Feb 19, 2019

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



AFashionableHat posted:

(edit: to be clear, it is very doable and they need to do it, this is not an excuse)

Yeah, I don't think anyone pretends that it's an easy problem to solve, but it is chilling the degree to which all social media and content platforms simply ignore the problem for lack of any incentive to do otherwise.

Terrible Opinions posted:

The issue is that youtube doesn't want to pay for full-time positions and doesn't really want to remove the child porn videos or any videos for that matter because that reduces their number of ad impressions.

I'm pretty sure they want to get rid it, and they probably have algorithms which are quite good at scraping the really heinous stuff out of the platform. The issue is that when things get even a little bit grey, the automated system falls apart. Like, in that linked video most of the stuff inside the "wormhole" might be innocuous considered in isolation and removed from context. Random videos of little kids playing around aren't inherently suspect. But when they're grouped into massive interconnected achieves of those videos that're timed stamped with suggestive poses and filled with comments which disclose children's personal information or even link out to literal child pornography then you have something utterly vile and exploitative, and also something that requires a human to parse and formulate a response.

Edit: I think we're all in agreement that Google, Amazon, Facebook, et al. want moderation to be fully bot driven—cause it's cheap—and won't hire necessay staff unless forced by laws or social pressure.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Feb 19, 2019

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Terrible Opinions posted:

I genuinely think that youtube resists this because they straight up want to keep even the most heinous horrible poo poo so long as advertisers don't pull out. They might want to get rid of it now that it's causing a ruckus but only because of that ruckus. Youtube would keep up ISIS execution videos if it got ad impressions.

I dunno, this feels like a different phenomenon than, say, those content farms that churn out non-sensical procedurally generated cartoons. That is entirely about ads, but this seems more like a question of opportunity costs. Again going back to the linked video, most of what he found wasn't monetized. He did find some adds, but the majority are just taking up space while generating zero revenue.

Youtube would probably be happy to see them gone but figuring out which videos, users, and communities need purging is well beyond the capabilities of their automated system. An actual solution requires people, people who need payment. So it's cheaper to let the videos remain, even though they're fueling something repugnant.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Feb 19, 2019

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Puppy Time posted:

"Youtube" is a platform run by multiple people with multiple levels of power, so it's silly to talk about "what Youtube wants," since it's either incapable of wanting anything, or it's a group that probably don't all agree on anything.

You're being pedantic. Obviously, I'm using it as shorthand for "the people who own, administrate, and direct the platform's content restrictions and terms of service." I just don't think it's reaching to say that, broadly, corporate social media and content providers would rather pedophiles don't congregate on their sites. That said, they are also quite willing to turn a blind eye if policing those elements cuts into their bottom line.

ArfJason posted:

Yeah, and while im willing to believe the guy who posted earlier about how he works on a similar industry and how youd only need to check for algorithmicallg detected red flags, i cant imagine how many people itd take to go through that much video and text

Probably more than you'd think, and however many it takes they're obviously not interested in retaining them. Like, maybe there hasn't been a meeting at Google HQ where someone sits the Board of Directors down and says, "okay this is how much money we have to spend to keep this one group of awful people off our platform," but I gauntree they've had lots of meetings about how awesome algorithmic moderation is, how much money they can save by not needing live mod teams, about how any gaps are minor considerations, and whatever other self-serving platitudes they have to come up with to keep shoving money into their portfolios while avoiding anything resembling responsibility.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Dawgstar posted:

Although RLM's Mike made the interesting observation that the movie is perfectly functional but at the same time less interesting because it mostly strips out a lot of the awful that the book a train wreck you'd want to gape at. (At least in small does.)

If you want this experience, then the Fifty Shades films are probably the best example we'll ever see of the phenomenon. Especially the latter two, where Erika Leonard got sick of Hollywood types coming in and messing up her vision by trying to fix at least some of the bullshit. It is literal fan-fiction scaled up for the big screen to the tune of fifty-five million dollars a pop.

Honestly, is there another example anywhere of a popular hack who failed upwards so stratospherically?

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Pants Donkey posted:

The problem is that people can’t separate this from stories that either draw upon personal experience or the bad thing does fit and isn’t a half-assed attempt to be edgy.

And on top of the bad critical skills of many online folks, you also have a legion of bad faith actors ready to charge in at a moment's notice and muddy the water.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



It's also worth fighting over important terminology because reactionaries will always attempt to poison the well and if you don't push back then you quickly fall into situations where good faith criticism of certain topics becomes drat near impossible.

and "virtue signaling" is absolutely the correct framing for why milquetoast, bad-egg racism narratives continue to be award show darlings.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Goa Tse-tung posted:

also the point is 8chan is in the news again and the chuds need to drag Dan because he tried to take them down (in my opinion 8chan still hosts child porn, doen't matter if it's in 3D and thus technically legal to 8chans provider)

I didn't even hear about this, but it looks like THQ Nordic hosted an AMA on 8chan?

What in the loving were they thinking?

Edit: Oh,

quote:

I personally agreed to this AMA without doing my proper due diligence to understand the history and the controversy of the site. I do not condone child pornography, white supremacy, or racism in any shape or form. I am terribly sorry for the short-sightedness of my (!) decision and promise to be far more vigorous in my assessment of these activities in the future. This was not about being edgy, this blew up and I very much regret to have done it in the first place.

From their Marketing Director, a guy who has apparently never been to the internet before.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Feb 27, 2019

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Sanguinia posted:

The thing I liked about RLM when I first saw the Plinkett reviews was when the video were highly analytical and I could learn stuff about editing or whatever from them beyond just the mean-spirited nick-picking. I never really got that from any of their other content that I tried

Likewise, and these days there's plenty of other folks creating fun critical content who aren't so painfully obtuse when handling social issues.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



21 Muns posted:

Everything with Patreon became horrifyingly clear for me when I saw someone suggest that they think the donations are theirs. They literally don't understand that people use their service to give money to content creators they like - they think people give money to them, Patreon, in the expectation that Patreon will generically use it to support the arts or something in some unspecified way (by putting it in their own pockets). Whenever Patreon looks at the content creators they have signed on, they're thinking "why the gently caress are we giving 95% of our money to these people", with zero awareness that they have that money in the first place because people want to give it to those people. Patreon is trying to get to a place where they take in the same amount of money but get to keep all of it because they don't realize that that makes no loving sense.

Agents and middlemen attempting to carve an ever larger slice off the people whose work they represent is a tale as old as time.

It's a sort of Dunning-Kruger effect, except for productivity. They mistake platforming worthwhile content for being more valuable than creating said content.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



watho posted:

I haven’t yet. I’ve heard mixed things, especially from fellow lesbians, that it deals with some subjects poorly and generally is pretty edgelord-y. I’ll definitely watch it though.

Both valid criticisms. Several episodes feature sexualized violence, most notably a pair of stories that use rape and mutilation (of women) as central elements. There's also a lot of nudity both male and female, but while the former is never sexualized the latter almost always is.

I came away positive on the overall series based on the better portions—it is an anthology, after all—but I wouldn't fault anyone who found the troublesome parts disqualifying.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



That's spot on for the edgy cyberpunk shorts, yeah. There's also stuff that hews closer to Dreamworks or Pixar, and a couple that aren't far off the kind of thing you'd see on MTV's Liquid Television if you're old enough to remember what that is.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



MonsieurChoc posted:

Imagine the generic Isekai world summoning the Doomslayer instead.

Rip and tear, smash all demons and slavers.

Be careful what you wish for. This was more or less the original conceit of Goblin Slayer—Darksoul character dropped into generic JRPG—but in practice, it ended up being a bunch of rape porn and racial supremacy because people are horrible.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Terrible Opinions posted:

people being unable to understand the narrative difference between those two pieces of media is really distressing, and reveals most nerds to be basically illiterate.

Between Doom and Goblin Slayer? Yeah, it’s depressing.

My point was that you should never underestimate the credulity and incuriousness of nerds. Dark Souls was the kernel which lead to GS and is a great example of what results from uncritically copying an aesthetic without understanding any of the themes. See also: all of the various “Punk” sub genres.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009




I far prefer this to the more common trend of the entire internet becoming marginally more annoying for one day a year.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009




Imagine making a career from fleshing out the teenage sexual histories of cartoon characters.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



I liked them both fine as a kid, but that was way back before Sonic became... whatever it is today.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



I always assumed skits resulted from a variety of motivations: padding, latent theatrical aspirations, chafing under an established format, etc. The only common thread for me is that I find them tedious.

Contrapoints is about the one person I don't mind doing it, I think because she restricts it mostly to visuals while keeping the scripts on point.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Ghostlight posted:

lmbo i just googled it and i just, how can anyone be angry at it? like i know the answer is racism, but lmbo.

Their interpretation appears to be that because there are no white people in the final shot then that must mean that white genocide happened. Because the only possible way to prevent the colonization of Africa and the Atlantic slave trade is to kill every white person on the planet?

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Harsh, but fair.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Excessive depression burritos are extremely relatable.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



I'd love to know why he keeps doing it. He can't be enjoying himself, and I don't think he needs the money?

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Yeah, I like his take that Star Citizen is an unintentional Sisyphean horror masterpiece.

It never ceases to amaze me how all-in CIG went with the asset creation before they had anything like a functional game engine, and because they're now stuck with fan expectations they have to essentially develop a game rear end-end first and hope for the best.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



YouTube is a fickle beast. I don't envy anyone trying to make a living on a third party platform that has zero incentive to support creators.

Toss Amazon and Twitch into that bucket.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Neddy Seagoon posted:

I'd heard Twitch was generally pretty good about supporting streamers, myself. Far better than Youtube, at least.

They're probably the best of the three, but it's still like tapdancing on quicksand.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



I remember a bunch of RPers got mad when they blew up the park in Stormwind.

Evolving worlds aren't that unusual in online games. Fortnite is notable because of how quickly they iterate and roll out events, but I guess we now know they're pulling that off by working their staff to the bone so that blows.

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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Yeah, I’d rather jump off a cliff than depend on something like Patreon to get by. I couldn’t handle the stress.

Also, being grandfathered in at the better rate is only a reprieve, I guarantee. They’ll find ways to restrict service and incentivize moving over to the more predatory pay structure.

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