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lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Baka-nin posted:

Before this thread gets started I think we should all take a moment of reflection and look at the last threads wall of shame.



My profile link isn't :visited. I feel rejected. Why don't you like me?

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lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Tired Moritz posted:

I stopped visiting the last thread because it was crap, even before all the channel awesome drama.

Thank you for coming to the new thread full of the same people as the old thread to say that people who posted in the old thread posted crap. You know how to win over a room.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.


yes

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Mokinokaro posted:

Last I heard Spoony

Two pages. We didn't even make it two loving pages.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

MonsieurChoc posted:

Sorry, I just like when people are nice to each other so I brought up Matthew Buck's invitation.

I know, it isn't hardcore Spoonywatch.mp3. Just thought it was funny we started a whole new thread, and then...

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.


We couldn't even make it THREE pages? Really? REALLY?

quote:

While 99.9% of us probably don't like Alt-Right, transphobic, homophobic or any other prejudice we can be prone to witchhunting, if there is proof of somebody being a shitheel feel free to share it; but we should slightly chill with grasping at straws.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:

He's waiting for the perfect way to leave and insult Peter Molyeux at the same time.

So that's why Doug shaved his head.

In other news, let's see what the next few days brings-- but it's a near perfect parabola from the moment the document dropped until yesterday (accounting for the document dropping mid-day).

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.


Loss of contributors? Meh.

Loss of PR? Feh.

Loss of respect? Whatever.

Loss of subscribers? Views are the same, who cares.

Loss of actual money? You can be there's gonna be loud swears in Chicago today.

Losing money is the only consequence CA management will actually care about.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Question.

Now that CuriousCat is imploding because it is run by psychopaths-- what is the actual benefit of that site? I know it lets people ask a question and someone to give a public answer buuuut-- how is that different from, say, a forum, or Quote-Tweeting a question and giving an answer?

What actual tools and benefits does CC give to both the people asking the question, and those answering them?

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Been waiting for a lull in the CA traumadrama to post.

So a certain admin, FactsAreUseless, has decided to demod me. This was out of nowhere, and without any consultation with me, or with any other admin. The only reason I got is that I was being "too professional", and enforcing rules. The only way I can read this is that someone didn't like their probe, and complained to their admin friend. Just my feeling. (FYI: it wasn't anyone in this thread. Y'all are cool and I love you).

This, needless to say, hurts quite a bit. I've been wanting to participate more in the recent discussion, but I'm a bit heartbroken. Being perfectly honest, I don't know if I'll do any more than lurk. On the other hand, I'll sleep on that for the weekend. If I do go away, please be not-assholes to each other.

Any discussion I've had with other mods or admins seems to boil down to "no one but FAU seems to have decided this, so nothing we can do". So if you want any more information about what happened, or reinstatement, that's something you'll need to discuss with the admin of your choice.

Given that RDG basically only has 6 threads of note, and only 2 of them produce mod reports, I'm completely baffled as to how anyone can think too much time is spent on mod reports for a particular thread. It's-- literally just statistics.

Anyways, I'll try not to rant too much. Continue on the discussion.

My contribution (if it's my last): Diamanda Hagan just dropped a review of Chirpy 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6-CH750yqY If you don't know what Chripy is, Google her original review of it.

It's about a horse loving a bird. yup.

And FWIW, I just became a top-tier Patreon of hers, so sometime in the future there'll be a ep-by-ep TV series review of my choice, and a possible cameo.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I mean all I know about you is that I made a total of 3 posts in the thread and you were already trying to bite my head off so I am not exactly surprised someone thought you took things too seriously

I was in the top 10 posters in the previous thread, and you were being an rear end in a top hat. You still are.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I am slowly learning that the people in this thread are generally more empathetic to the people being discussed in this thread that the subforums I am used to (i.e. wrestling and football). I get that I have to learn how to better mesh into the culture here if I want to continue posting, but a mod and top 10 poster attacking a newcomer for not understanding the unstated "decorum" of a thread is a excessive and frankly a little alienating

If you felt alienated because you couldn't be an rear end in a top hat, then maybe the thread isn't for you.

For reference, one of your first posts out of nowhere, after the doc dropped, and it explicitly said "The victims don't want themselves or the abuser identified", and the thread collectively said "we are going to respect their wishes", you come strolling along and do this:



I let you off with a warning, even though you were trolling for information that was asked to be left alone *AND* accusing an innocent person of being a rapist. Not banning you my mistake. Because you obviously didn't learn anything from that because now you're all:



You are an rear end in a top hat.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Max Wilco posted:

I'll say that I noticed after you became a mod, you've started to double post (that is, make a post, and then make another post immediately after before someone else posted or responded), and from what I've gleaned, that's usually frowned upon.

1) I've always done that
2) It has nothing to do with becoming or not becoming a mod
3) Your frown only?
4) If I'm reading 100+ new posts I ain't scrolling backwards through a tiny screen to find a different message to quote
5) That isn't what double post means

?

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Max Wilco posted:

I was under the assumption that it was against the rules or at least poor etiquette on Something Awful to make multiple posts in a row without waiting for someone to respond first. If you realize there's something else you wanted to include in after you post, you just edit the post instead of making another one.

It's not part of the goddamn forum rules that are being the link titled "Read the goddamn forum rules before posting!!!" that's right there every time one posts.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

business hammocks posted:

There was some discussion of your demodding in a qcs thread on mod feedback. I went there to try to stump for you, but the matter seems closed. I don’t really understand the reasons given for demodding you.

Thanks, I appreciate the support.

The (long) short of it is:

1) A user was posting a Howard Stern related running gag in the Howard Stern thread. To refrain from drawing too much attention to this user, I'll just call him "The Petty loving Whiny poo poo-Fucker Known as Immortal Anime", or "Immortal Anime" for short.
2) A bunch of baby-pants Howard Stern fans got upset at an unfunny, worn-out "joke", which is super ironic given who they listen to.
3) I get near daily reports of "Immortal Anime posted Baba Booey wah wah". I laugh and file them under "Ignore". So let this be on the record, I was on the side of Immortal Anime and actively defending him against false reports of "thread-making GBS threads".
4) Some 50+ reports over several weeks later, I figure fine, let's make this fair. Post, to effect "Since this is a running joke, I will allow it as long as it's running. For as long as IA posts this once a day, every day, it isn't banned. Everyone else also is allowed to post this once a day with no repercussions. BUT if IA misses even a single day, the running joke has stopped running, and I'll agree it's thread-making GBS threads. Anyone posting it gets a probe/ban. I probably won't monitor it, so you have to let me know that the rule was broken. Anyone complaining to me around it gets a probation."
5) So it's a bog-standard "SomethingAwful is nonesense" thread rule. As is the, as I keep hearing, "SomethingAwful Culture".
6) IA misses a day, and the rule kicks in.
7) Some people explicitly test the rule, and get reported. They get a probation and/or ban. All is good and everyone is happy.
8) Some time later, someone else breaks the rule.
9) IA starts whining "MODS!". Literally. It's in the thread, you can go see it yourself. He also sends me a PM complaining about it. Note that this is against the rules, that everyone else was adhering too.
10) In the interest of fairness, I punish the original poster-- but also give Immortal Anime a short probation for breaking the rules. Maybe it was a day? I can't be arsed to check.
10.5) Again, can't be arsed, but I think for coming off his short probe-- wait, I think it was coming off the probe AND posting in the Howard Stern thread something like "gently caress you bitch rear end mod you can't touch me". Yeah, I think that was it. Well, that's just above and beyond any thread-rule thing. That's just rudeness and sass. So he gets a month probe for being so willfully brazen. I honestly don't care about the insults myself, but it isn't a good look to let someone who is already annoying the thread get away with off-topic straight out insults.
11) All seems well. Then Immortal Anime poops his diaper like a baby and starts to cry like a wussy to his friends who are mods in another thread.
12) They give him a short probation for something else. Depending on who you believe, it was either for breaking a rule in a different subforum (which happened to have the sideeffect of cancelling out the month-long probation-- that's how the SA mod system works for some reason)-- or it was doing that just as a cover story for intentionally evading a probation under a flimsy excuse. I think we can guess which way I lean now.
12.5) In fact, take special note of #12. IA was on probation, so he couldn't have posted something NEW that got him probated. That means that a moderator went back to an old post, and probated him for that. An old post. In the past. Keep a note of that.
13) I send a PM to the moderator "Hey, just an FYI, that user is on a month-long probe, just so we don't override each others' probes", because I figured it was an honest mistake. I don't hear anything back from that mod. Since I have no idea how that mod is related, and can't check on the mod queue anymore, I'll withhold that name.
14) I also make a post in the moderator subforums pretty much the same FYI, since I figure that's the best way to communicate with the other mods. In the mod subforum. For moderators. Where moderators talk to each other. Y'know.
15) An admin basically says "I retracted the overriding probe, I'll keep an eye on it". I say thank you.
16) I start getting PMs from several users alerting me that, once again, Immortal Anime has had his buddies short-circuit his probation. People are noticing that he's circumventing the rules, which is, again, not a good look. In fact, in the reading I did when I became a mod, I was under the impression that evading a probe or ban was itself a bannable / permabannable offense.
17) I re-queue the month ban because that is only fair.
18) Poopy-pants Immortal Anime, now that he's hidden under the skirt of his Mommy, sticks his tongue out at me, because he is a very mature adult. He starts emailing me PMs that range from insults to threats to nigh-doxxing. (Well, he thought he was being a Big Boy by insinuating he doxxed me, but since all he actually unearthed was one of the top hits when you google my name, it wasn't very impressive. For the record, it was the Master Chef Canada audition tape I put together for a laugh: https://vimeo.com/70910715).
19) I reply cordially to him, explaining at first that the most ironinc thing about his tantrum is that he actually had my support for his running joke. I had been explicitly protecting him-- rejecting requests to probate him for the running joke, and in fact came up with the thread rule to not only CONTINUE the running joke, but to actively punish anyone who tried to stop him. And instead he turn an ally into an enemy all on his own. My last PM to him is to calmly say "Look, my PMs are for moderator related communications. So unless this is official business, please don't PM me.". In other words, "I'm asking you nicely to stop trying to harass me, and I'm making that clear. This is me giving you an out to just walk away and not escalate this."
20) His response is to throw more mod sass. Like most "tee hee I'm being so clever" idiots, the words themselves are innocuous, but the intention is blatant. I don't like people like that. I really don't.
21) I do make these conversations and PM mod sass known in the Moderator threads. The message I get is basically "Yeah, people sassing in PM is a no-no, and is usually a punishable offense". Gotcha.
22) So, since I can't take an action on a PM (a mod can only action on posts in their own subform), I go back to find a post by Immortal Anime to action on. I was under the impression that you can't submit a probation on a post that already had a probation against it. I might have been mistaking, I can't confirm that-- typing this I might have been thinking "a user can't SUBMIT a mod report on a post that's already been reported". The first one I come across that hasn't been actioned on is one of his joke posts. I put a, I want to say 1 or 3 day on it. Kinda a subtle acknowledgement to the people who are already probing him for 1 or 3 days. It's short enough that if they try to evade it, they'll only make it longer by effect.
23) I start to get harassing PMs from Immortal Anime's friends. They are "harassing" in the same way-- innocuous phrase, intention is clear. I honestly don't care because it's a PM, but it's amusing in a way that watching a child trying to walk in Daddy's shoes is. They're just trying SO HARD to be Big Boy. But I don't really want a PM box full of people sending me these, so I respond with what is effectively a form letter, with the same intention as the one I sent to IA. "Thanks for emailing, I appreciate you taking the time. However, this PM is for mod business, etc, etc". If anyone has ever worked customer service, you know exactly how you handle an irate customer. They either want help, which you're here for them, or they want to yell, in which case you need to end the conversation. With a smile. I get a couple "you're weird" replies, but the PMs go away.
23.5) For the record, those PM users are, since you can easily cross-reference with people who are crying and lying in the QQcs thread: "pog boyfriend", "stay safe", "grumple wumpkins", and the lovely "gently caress My rear end".
24) All of the above is basically communicated in the Moderator sub-forum too, because I like to give co-workers a heads-up when a shitstorm is brewing, because there can be splash back. Also, so that if they're getting PMs or complaints with lies in them (again I'll point you to the QQcs thread), they have my version on hand. Silly me, I thought the word of a moderator, who is also a poster in good standing with the forum, would have more weight than some trolls with a grudge.
25) At this point, FactsAreUseless says he won't protect my month long probation. Whatever.
26) I log in and I'm demodded. (I wasn't aware of what's going on in QQcs thread at the time)
26.5) Now that I *AM* aware of that thread, remember what I said about point 12? "IA was on probation, so he couldn't have posted something NEW that got him probated. That means that a moderator went back to an old post, and probated him for that. An old post. In the past.". So yeah, check out that QQcs thread-- and note that the thing his buddies are complaining about is that he was probated for. The exact same thing. Funny how they can do one thing, then complain about other people do that same thing. Hmm, almost as if they're being-- disingenuous or something.
27) You'll note there is no bullet-point here where anyone from the Admin team says "Hey, Lorne, there's some performance we're unhappy about, so let's talk about it like adults to come to a mutually beneficial outcome". Or "We're thinking of demodding you, can you give us your side of this situation".
28) I log in and find I'm demodded, and a message from FactsAreUseless saying "I don't know if that's the way to phrase it, and I've never sent one of these before, so this will be super awkward. Anyway, we've demodded you. You seem like you're trying to be very serious and professional about moderation, but in a way that isn't really compatible with the forums. Thanks for all the work you put into RGD. I appreciate it."
29) What the gently caress? "serious and professional" about moderation. Yeah, no poo poo, that's what you do in a position of power and responsibility. And "serious", what the gently caress, have you ever read one of my posts? Did you SEE the goddamn hoop-jumpy stupid fun thread rule I put into place? And your appreciation is to demod me with no discussion? I feel REAL appreciated there, buddy.
30) And you will notice the "we" in there. Yeah, so, after talking with some other mods & admins though basically a few "What happened?!?" emails, trying to understand what happened, the messaging I get back is "We're surprised too. There was no discussion about this. No one on the admin team was part of this decision, just FactsAreUseless. Sorry."
31) I write this "short" post.

tldr: So there you go. A pissy-baby shitfucker known as Immortal Anime gets special privileges from a moderator. He then manages to still mess that up, and gets punished for it. He whines to his friends who help him evade punishment. He throws abuse, and gets punished for it. His friends whine, lie and misrepresent what happened. The whining makes it's way to an admin who is friends with the whiny babies. The admin acts on his own to demod me.

And what would a post be without some screenshots?

Immortal Anime going "wah wah my friends like me better i'm not mad ur mad it was just a joke and u don't like fun" (again, remember, the entire point of these rules was to LET him have his annoying fun). Note the pathetic attempt at "doxxing" there.



(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

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lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Darth Walrus posted:

I may be misremembering the details, but I think it was a mod challenge LK placed where a certain poster had to post ‘baba booey’ once a day for a month or be banned. One day, LK probated them, so they couldn’t meet their deadline. They PM’d ‘baba booey’ to LK as compensation, but LK didn’t accept it and banned them. The admins decided this was unreasonably vindictive, and demodded LK.

SA drama is loving bizarre.

Darth Walrus, you are horribly incorrect.

Edit: (see, I'm editing rather than posting a new post, everyone is happy!) -- I appreciate the words of support. It does take away the sting. I wuv you guys.

Except Mr. Bibbs. I guess I-- tolerate you?

lornekates fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Apr 14, 2018

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