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Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


-I will be running this thread a bit differently to make it quicker and easier to follow. I will have a few reply spots reserved for progress dumps and a project wrap up that I will edit and update whenever. I will also keep one reserved for random Q and A and tidbits. Reply to this thread, PM me, hit up Instagram, etc. and I'll try to consolidate everything in these reserved spots. I will add replies as in any normal thread but will also update the initial reserved replies.-

Who?-Hi, I'm not Troy McClure but you may remember me from a project I had to abort many years ago known only as the LS1+T56+Impreza Wagon. In a nutshell, I'm one of the Automotively Insane. I went from wanting to do an LS swapped FD RX7 to the Impreza to a tube frame monster to this, my current AI pregnancy, which I will be carrying to term.

What?- I am currently dropping the body of a 1968 VW Fastback onto the stripped down chassis of my 2000 Miata, titled and driven as a 1968 VW. Engine will be a 2.4l Ecotec because reasons.

When?- Before I die, or by the end of summer 2019, whichever is first. I started tearing down the Miata in August 2016 and the VW a couple months later.

Why?- I wanted something unique, cool, smog exempt, daily driveable, and actually able to be completed on my own in my back yard for minimal monetary investment.

Where?... did the idea come from? A DMT trip. No, it was actually a long spiraling journey a couple years in the making that came from the above stated goals.

How?- A 4.5" grinder, a welder, a 2 post lift, and good old fashioned know-it-mostly. I will attempt to paint it myself as well. Jeebus help me.

All pics will be dumped on Instagram #volkzda.

I was actually going to wait until it was finished to do a thread but then this happened. https://jalopnik.com/this-1968-volk...iata-1825036646

Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2018 around 22:56

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Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


-Q&A etc.-

Why do all this? Why not build up the Fastback? I had reached the limit of what I wanted from the Miata and was going to sell it. I had strongly considered just getting a C5 Corvette or some 1995 car to drop an E-Rod in but I never felt fully gung-ho about any of those ideas. From there I came up with the idea of using the Miata suspension in an older (pre '75) car and dropping in whatever I felt like for the drivetrain. But I thought more about daily driving capability and safety and decided, after seeing the Volvo P1800/Miata project, to just go ahead and use the whole chassis in something. Miatas are automotive blank canvases for swaps and performance stuff anyway. From there I settled on the VW Type 3 due to it being fairly close in size to a Miata but roomier and with a lot of aftermarket resto support. I really wanted to do this with a Datsun 510 but gently caress me if I'm going to pay $8000 for a clapped out piece of poo poo that needed body work. I also considered an MGB GT but I already felt claustrophobic in the Miata. I never considered building up a classic car to daily drive. Dirty little secret; I love the looks of them but I hate the thought of daily driving air cooled VWs and I am really not much of a "VW guy".

What about the paint? Some sort of dark metallic gray/silver. Interior will be the same above the floor while every other surface will be satin black.

Why the Ecotec? The M45 supercharged, intercooled 1.8 that I had was in decent shape and I was going to just use it but there are issues. Heat buildup is always an issue with these and having a supercharger and intercooler makes it worse. I was unable to use A/C on hot days in traffic. Not good. Power was decent, maybe 170whp 150wtq, maybe, before everything heat soaked. The LE5 Ecotec swap will add about $3000 to this project but will come with about 190whp 190wtq or more and no heat problems. It will also be better with my 3.63 rear gears that I wish I hadn't done a few years ago. Also, since getting the nose back on the car I realized that there isn't enough room for an intercooler and I'd rather not have to come up with alternatives.

Why not keep the classic VW dash? The forward firewalls are just too different for that to work. Plus, the VW dash is crammed up against the windshield and sits much higher than the Miata.

LS1 Impreza you say? 10 years ago I had a late 90's era Outback Sport that I was dropping the guts from a wrecked 02 Camaro into. It was going to be done STi style, black or dark gray and murdered out, with the quietest exhaust I could fit. I was working on it at the shop where I was employed but I got a new job and moved 30 miles away so I had to part it out and move on. I posted a thread in here after seeing a thread by Fuzzkill about his 3.8 V6 swapped Corolla or whatever it was.

Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 03:34

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


-Initial Steps-


I started by taking everything off of my Miata that was bolted on or was otherwise easily removed. I was going to just sell this thing and use a tub but it really wasn't worth that much and everything I needed was already there.


Next I started trimming down any parts that I knew wouldn't fit inside the VW body.


The chassis sits on a jig I made out of 1.5x1.5 steel tube with adjustable casters to level it out. The whole thing is true to about a tenth of a degree in any direction which is drat good considering. The rear portion of the chassis is held up on cross pieces that were allowed to slide backwards while the front was tack welded to the jig. The wheelbase of the VW is around 5.5" longer which required a stretch of the Miata chassis behind the seats. Separating it here is by far the easiest spot. There is a similar project by someone else that was using an NA Miata chassis under a rotted Volvo P1800 that ended up trying to stretch it here only to have to do it all over again forward of the firewall instead. There are a couple threads out there for that one but no pics because Photobucket.


The next victim, after I had removed a bunch of stuff. 1968 VW Fastback with a salvage title and a bunch of extra parts including another pair of rear fenders. Had a Porsche 914 engine swapped in at some point that recouped me some decent money.


The mostly clean pan and drivetrain came out, along with every bolted on part. The cheap piece of poo poo 70's era replacement windshield broke as it was being removed. Luckily there are replacements available, a big reason why I decided to go ahead with this project with this car in the first place.


Test hovering and measurement time. All I did to make the lifting rig was used some steel tube with a plate base bolted to my lift's arms. Some wood 4x4s with grooves cut into them formed the cross beams, the ends of which rode on threaded rod to be able to level them.


After much cutting from each half, another test hover. The nose had to come off of the VW due to the way the nose tucks under. There was no other good way of being able to raise and lower the top half a million times otherwise.


Most cutting finished. Body lowered over the chassis with the fenders and wheels put on to gauge fitment. I stood and stared at this in awe for an hour.


Good amount of room under the hood. I was feeling pretty good with this but realized that there probably wouldn't be enough room for the intercooler I had from the Miata. The front bumper bar and frame horn tips had to be cut back to fit within the VW nose.


Feeling real good now. The interior looks to be exactly what I had figured it should be like. The a-pillar/wiper cowl/door post area not so much. I knew that that would be the worst area to work with though but man.



Wheel fitment with rotors on the hubs. Suspension is drooped a little bit in front and a lot bit in rear. Front will need 1" flares minimum and the rear will need 2" minimum along with a decent raising of the arch. I'm not sure what sort of flares will be going on here. Something easy, bodywork isn't my forte and I ain't paying for custom body work.

Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 03:37

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


-Progress Up To April '18-


The cutting is totally done and the welding has begun. The name of the game from here is to connect things together with sheetmetal and reinforce structure with bar, plate, and tube. I missed taking pics of a lot of fab work to get to here but the highlights are that I basically had to build the structure for the front fender/shock tower area out of tube and plate and that there is a continuous run of 1x3 rectangle tube running through the sills and up the firewalls to form the main attachment base between the two halves of car.


Interior being stitched together. Never mind the ugly patchwork. The VW body was worse than I thought around the rear wheel arches. All of this will be reinforced and/or covered eventually.


The lower front portion came together nicely.


Closer shot of the new sill caps for the much shorter chassis sills. The seam is literally where VW meets Miata.


The "funnest" part. Due to the vast difference between the two cars the cowl area was the most difficult to deal with but I managed. I had to make the center dash/cowl section removable to be able to access the wiper system and cowl vents. I had to do it from the inside because there wasn't enough room from the engine bay side. I will probably make some sort of beauty cover for this later. The Miata wiper motor will drive the VW wiper arm setup via a custom attachment link.


Chassis jig has done it's job and is no longer needed. Engine side of cowl closed off. Nose beginning to be stitched back on. The VW bumper mounting points are connected to the Miata frame rails with sheetmetal.



Front and rear structural crash bars tied to the Miata frame horns. The nose ended up being a bit more cramped than I had anticipated. As you can see the rear is quite roomy and will make for a larger trunk, this will all be boxed in. The bars have long 3/4" hex nuts welded into them to attach tow rings via holes that will be hidden behind the license plates.


The Miata dash just sitting there. I'm going to be using it but getting it to look less awkward will take some doing.


As of April 2018 this is how it sits. This is the point where I put the front fenders and wheels on for the Jalopnik beauty shots. I will be making custom short/long arm type hood hinges to bolt the hood to as I cannot use the VW hood hinge setup. I'm also working on filling in the trunk/rear area.

Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 03:38

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


-Reserved for progress updates-

Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 03:40

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


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Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 03:40

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


-Wrap Up and Final Thoughts-

Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 03:39

Beverly Cleavage
Jun 22, 2004

I am a pretty pretty princess, watch me do my pretty princess dance....

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Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


Thanks for being the first shitposter.

Left Ventricle
Feb 24, 2006

Right aorta

I'll give you my 5 for now, but I expect results. You hear me? Results. That 5 can turn into a 1 at any time. ANY. TIME.

Also, here's another fascinating body swap, involving a Lumina and a Firebird.

BoostCreep
May 3, 2004

Might I ask where you keep your forced induction accessories?

Grimey Drawer

Can I request larger pictures? Or clickable thumbnails to make them bigger? I can only squint so much.

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.


BoostCreep posted:

Can I request larger pictures? Or clickable thumbnails to make them bigger? I can only squint so much.

right click open in new tab, remove the m from the filename

arts and craps
Nov 20, 2011



Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Raluek posted:

right click open in new tab, remove the m from the filename

Only scrubs use m, the ones in the know use h or r.

E: my eastern european brain keeps misreading Volkzda as Vodka and I have a feeling it may have been involve in creation of this project

Eagerly awaiting more updates

Bajaha fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2018 around 11:53

Beverly Cleavage
Jun 22, 2004

I am a pretty pretty princess, watch me do my pretty princess dance....

Joe Mama posted:

Thanks for being the first shitposter.

ok, I'll cop to that. I just found it and the timing hilarious, so I amused myself.

However, I believe my enthusiasm was properly recorded in the other thread that you closed. In the words of many AI superstars .

Blacknose
Jul 28, 2006

Meet frustration face to face
A point of view creates more waves
So lose some sleep and say you tried


loving love types 3s, this is the good poo poo.

Seminal Flu
May 15, 2004

Beware, BEWARE!

!We're EVERYWHERE!
Parachute, or paranoid?
We'll not rest 'til this thread's
DESTROYED!


I like this thread.

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


Yes, the pics are harder to see than I thought. I'll change them to timg.

Left Ventricle posted:

I'll give you my 5 for now, but I expect results. You hear me? Results. That 5 can turn into a 1 at any time. ANY. TIME.

Also, here's another fascinating body swap, involving a Lumina and a Firebird.

Well, I spend almost every bit of free time on it so I hope I meet your standards, you bastard. This project is also sweet. The downside is that you have a Lumina. But what a drat sleeper. If he'd have done it Grandpa spec it would have been even sleepier.

Joe Mama fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2018 around 23:15

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


Updated Q&A

Waffle House
Oct 26, 2004

I have terrible opinions about Destiny the Video Game

What happened to the T56 impreza, did that thing explode

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

YOU'RE WELCOME



Wait, did you start the LS1 Impreza like a poo poo ton of years ago on an f-body forum?

Terrible Robot
Jul 2, 2010

EUPHORIA IS BEST EXPERIENCED MOST FIRMLY AT THE STATE OF A GRAND CRUSADE AT 10000 DEAD HERETICS AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA END UP WEARING THESE STUPID FUCKING PAULDRONS OR NOT



Slippery Tilde

Blacknose posted:

loving love types 3s, this is the good poo poo.

Same, they're my favorite ACVW design apart from the Ghia.

This thread owns a lot, you've done some pretty amazing work already and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest.

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008


Waffle House posted:

What happened to the T56 impreza, did that thing explode

iwentdoodie posted:

Wait, did you start the LS1 Impreza like a poo poo ton of years ago on an f-body forum?

No. If it's the one I'm thinking of they used a bugeye era one with a GTO LS2. 10 years ago I had a late 90's era Outback Sport that I was dropping the guts from a wrecked 02 Camaro into. I was working on it at the shop where I was employed but I got a new job and moved 30 miles away so I had to part it out and move on. I only posted mine in here after seeing a thread by Fuzzkill about his 3.8 V6 swapped Corolla or whatever it was.

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Joe Mama
May 10, 2008




My mocked up hinges (that don't work). You can see the two pivot points on the firewall. The hidden arm jogs down and over to the front hole of the hood bracket. The idea is to use an SLA setup to trade a bit of tilt for lift, just can't get enough of either, just barely. The rear corners of the hood hit the cowl at about half way open. gently caress me. I don't know what to do now. Have it hinge at the front?

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