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Hey Thread, I'm just getting into Infinity, saw the models and kinda fell in love, and just had my first game last night with some friendly locals, it was enough to make me buy in with a Red Veil kit and the expansion. Anyone have advice for basic list building for Yu Jing and especially Haqqislam? I dig both the forces in terms of how they look and sound, but I'm basically clueless on what actually makes a good list.
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Jul 19, 2018 05:48
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Thanks everyone for the various advice. Gives me a good starting point in how to think sorta, I do understand theres gonna be a lot of trial and error for a while. Mostly error.
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Jul 19, 2018 13:30
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Man, I got my armies a couple days ago, and I have to say.. Some of these models may be the most frustrating I've ever put together. They're great, but man.. Getting the arm positions juuuust right to hold the rifles on my Ghulams has been a right pain. Had to bend one rifle just to get the darn thing to fit. Oh well. At least most of them are earier and have good dynamic poses.
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Jul 23, 2018 08:19
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So, I'm going in for my first ITS next week, and it's 3 game types I haven't done yet. Power Pack, Cap and Protect and Acquisition. I don't expect to do particularly well or anything, honestly it just sounds like fun and more chances to learn. But if anyone has general advice for list building for these sorts of games, I'd appreciate it. I may just be a speed bump for the experienced players, but I'd like to try to provide a decent game, you know?
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Aug 12, 2018 12:26
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So, I made a terrible mistake bored and work and started just randomly looking at Infinity Army and the profiles, and kind of fell in love with the MRRF profiles. They're not great mostly, with some notable exceptions, but they're the kind of profiles I've found myself enjoying playing. I love some of the models too. Others... Well, less so. So I'm wondering, what would people suggest for good proxies for Para Commandos, Moblots and Zouaves?
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Sep 26, 2018 14:06
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Pidgin Englishman posted:US grunts or Minutemen look good as moblots. Zouaves are sexy as, though, so not sure why you'd want to proxy them. Zouaves are sexy, and a good model. But having a bit of trouble sourcing them. As cool as they are, they weren't my priority in the line. The US painted as GIGN is really solid too, was sort of thinking that, and I'm pretty well convinced with the picture. Thanks!
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Sep 26, 2018 16:34
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Clawtopsy posted:TAK are not fun to play against I felt vaguely bad the first Ariadna list I ran was TAK heavy, I was just trying out a few models and didn't pay enough attention. Only realized I was running a 10 order list with 14 camo markers, and 2 units off the table in AD. I mean, yeah, it's Ariadna, but still it was weird coming off ACON and Tohaa mostly.
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Oct 30, 2018 10:41
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I've got an ITS tourney coming up, Limited Insertion. Having a hard time deciding which army to bring. One of the better players in the area recommended I bring my tohaa, since basically no one else local plays them anymore, so I might have a bit of surprise on my side outside of the locals. But I've also been having a ton of fun with Acon lately. Dart and Bagh-Mari have quickly become some of my favorite units, and I've had good luck with Scylla as well. Plus new link options has me with a fun idea of running a 3 man core with a sensor Regular, HMG Bagh and an Orc for an attack team. I need to decide soon though, and it's painful cuz I love my Artichokes too.
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Nov 4, 2018 12:23
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Thanqol posted:Hmm! Every time I try to build an Aconte list I stop midway through and am like 'I would far prefer this as a Varuna list'. I far prefer helots to mines, crocs to nagas, kamau to baghs and the MSV2 kamau to literally anything in the game. I keep thinking of picking up MO or VIRD for my PanO, but I then coming back to my love of Acon. Not saying others are bad, but with the new link options and Dart are just so very solid. Bagh-Mari are jerks, and I love them. Also Scylla can do an insane amount of work when she isn't feeling vaguely redundant vs Danavas and such. Just all around the kind of options and units I love playing. VIRD options are brutal tho, and I know I'll be picking them up eventually... Once I fill out the last bits for my Ariadna...
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Dec 16, 2018 06:26
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Thanqol posted:Cutter pain. Oof, rough luck. Grats on second tho! And yeah, I'm trying to say nothing bad about VIRD. I will almost certainly pick them up once I'm done with my last few Ariadna models. Veruna is super nice at least on paper, and has a lot of options I really dig. I do love the fact kamau are wildcard and as you said the helots are just awesome. And I admit I have an unhealthy love of the idea of an Orc with a feurbach. Honestly for me, I think it comes down to just how much I enjoy fielding Dart. I think she's probably why I like Acon so much, and why I've been playing Aleph so much lately in general.
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Dec 16, 2018 14:10
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I like all of em, but I'll tell you I'm really digging the Yadus. Even if they're not my favorite troops in the army, I love how they look... Totally running a Yadu core sometime. Maybe.
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Jan 22, 2019 06:15
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Cat Face Joe posted:This new Kamau hacker sucks rear end. First the pose is dumb. I don't mind open helmets but not on hackers currently doing a hack. She has a full base bar for some reason. The aforementioned double pistol conundrum. She is covered in mold lines and flash, much of it in the most inconvenient places. The casting quality on the back pack-combi-left arm piece is poo poo and leaves a very visible gap in her left armpit. Why did they make a new one? Is anyone using the unit at all? I feel like I have to buy the old one as penance now. Thanks for reports on both of these. I've been dipping in to Varuna, and was thinking of getting the hacker. Think I'll continue using bagh mari as proxies and get another Zulu instead. Also happy to hear Dart shipping. I need a better model of her with how many of my lists use her.
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Jan 27, 2019 07:03
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fatherboxx posted:Ectros have a profile with them, now to actually see an Ectros on the table... The vulkan profile for Ectros is one of the main reasons I still pull out my Tohaa. And one of the main reasons I keep being tempted to run MAF now. Seriously my favorite weapon in the game. Close second are rocket launchers of both flavors. Fire is king. I have a tourney coming up at the start of March, still trying to decide what army to run... I was planning Aleph this season, but I've had so little time to practice with them the last bit between holidays, weather and an escalation league. So Tohaa and Varuna I've been playing in the league are both on the board.
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Feb 15, 2019 05:49
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Thanqol posted:Controversial opinion time: Dart is good but not great. While I disagree, I like a lot of your points on her here. Some sectorials she really struggles for her place in I feel, others not so much, and it can all really depend. Personally, Dart is one of my favorite units in the game, and makes it into a lot of my lists whether she's the best choice or not, but I'll always make an argument she's useful. She's a toolbox, and can perform a number of different roles. Midfield hunting, she usually cleans up. I've used her to clear paths for other units, point and backfield defense and as a mild rambo. She's good at all of these, and that's sort of my key with her, she can do just about any job. I probably wouldn't take her in MO, like was said there's too much competition for her points. But in ACON she was almost a must for me since she supports the links so well. I've taken her a lot in OSS as well, especially if I'm running a Shakti haris, again because she supports my favorite team amazingly well. Also in camo lists, because it's silly when Aleph pretends to be Ariadna. Vanilla Aleph is harder.. I've teamed her with Teucer a couple times, and Achilles, with reasonable success, but there you have a lot of other options to cover, and with more than one model. But I will stand by her being a good profile in general, and usually worth the points invested. Plus she has my eternal love for landing an e/m grenade on 2 Suryats and locking them down a whole game.
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Feb 16, 2019 14:37
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Thanqol posted:In different sectorials she might be much better, no question. But the only useful metric to rank something by is its internal competition. In Acon, Dart's is the Naga, and more specifically, the Naga KHD. The Naga KHD can basically do the same job as Dart for four points cheaper and, while being situationally worse at gunfighting (no MSV) is situationally better at scoring points (specialist) and in dealing with entrenched hacker threats. Also, if Dart has to engage at 9' then she's worse than the Naga due to the dropoff of her SMG. I'm not disagreeing with that assessment. Absolutely Dart gets trumped if you need an additional specialist. And a lot of the time cheaper units can perform her role. My only disagreement was with her not being great. I'll stand by her being a great profile due to her versatility despite her limited range bands. It's her toolkit that makes her so solid. Yes, it's all short range, but shock smg or viral bow for 1 wound units, ap or e/m for heavy or paintrains. The bow again is a great aro option. She can go in supressive, and a little tougher than a Naga with nwi. And that's all I'm coming down on. She's an drat good gunfighter, that can fill a lot of holes in your line as needed. She does like having support, she's not a take on the world character and you probably don't want to throw her away like a Rasail or Yojimbo, but you can if you need to and it's worth it. Like I said, she doesn't make it in to every list, sometimes those extra points are more important elsewhere. Or you don't need a camo gunfighter. Or any other reasons. A camo specialist is usually more important to the mission than a fighter. But she has her places. Also, Croc men are awesome. Landing surprise shotguns from across the map is hilarious.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:42
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Thanqol posted:I think this is the crux of the schemantic disagreement. In my mind a great model is something that makes its way into every single list within its sectorial - i.e. a Mutt, a Specialist Sergeant, an Auxilia or LRL Helots. Dart is a good attack piece, but she's also expensive enough that you need to plan around spending orders on her. This is because if you're not using her for her gunfighting, i.e. you're just using her to threaten and poo poo up midfield with mines and stuff, then a Naga can do the same job cheaper. And that makes more sense in my brain, so I guess I have to agree then. For me, there's a lot of units I'd consider great, but definitely don't make it in to all my lists because or price or utility or whatever. Was fun sperging over Dart tho!
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Feb 17, 2019 06:30
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Shotgun Bulleteers is one I'm in complete agreement with. They're pretty much a must take in my PanO lists... And if not one of them, usually a Peacemaker instead. ODD or Auxbot with flamethrower is sometimes a hard choice.
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Feb 17, 2019 08:32
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Cat Face Joe posted:The War Store is having a sale and there is a lot of Infinity poo poo like twenty four goddamn dollars for the VIRD starter. Thanks for pointing this out. Finally someone with a csu in stock.
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Feb 23, 2019 02:43
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The first big tournament in my area is this weekend, and... I still haven't decided on my lists. I decided to run Aleph this season, but due to weather and work I wasn't able to get much practice. So now I'm left trying to decide if I run fairly sensible OSS lists, or just saying Hell with it and going with my latest goofy vanilla lists with an aggressive Hector and such. Also my Yadus just came in, so I'm of course also tempted to run a full link with Shakti, a Rudra and a Samekh in it for hilarity... The link only costs about 208! Ah, good ol' torney indecision...
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Mar 1, 2019 05:40
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Trenchdeep posted:Isn't that why we have two lists? So you've got two different jank options! Right, but I still need to decide between vanilla and OSS!
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Mar 1, 2019 10:55
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Genghis Cohen posted:Is anyone in this thread attending the UK Masters tournament in Birmingham tomorrow/sat? Oh, always for the mission. I'm lucky, I guess, sorta, that 3 of the missions are pretty killy, and the other 2 aren't super heavy on them. Lists in that sense aren't a problem, and I feel I have a lot of good choices for datatrackers whether I go OSS or vanilla. I'm mostly just whinging about things. If I was being smart I'd run OSS since I think the lists I put together for them are arguably more competitive... I just really enjoy my goofy vanilla lists. Still.. Yadu link with a Rudra sounds like a lot of fun too.
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Mar 1, 2019 13:50
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I have to admit, I'm excited-ish for the Tohaa stuff. The Artichokes were my first love, and it's nice to see them and the aliens in general getting some things. I'm so hoping the changes/sectorial/splinter army/whatever gets rid of symbiomates so I won't always get dirty looks for liking them.
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Mar 5, 2019 09:49
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As a Tohaa fan, I'm pretty excited about all this Spiral Corps stuff... But did anyone else notice the thing about them getting a Special Skill called Tri-Core that will let one triad get the full benefits of a 5 man link? I mean, some of the stuff Tohaa gets is silly, but doesn't that seem like.. Slightly off? Unless triads are going to be limited in Spiral.
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Mar 12, 2019 04:46
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Pidgin Englishman posted:Ahh, is that what tricore is? One core isn't that much of an issue, and you don't have the redundancy normal cores do dropping through 4 & 3 model links. I can see some of that. I guess my thought is the flexibility and efficiency of multiple triads already, I always felt that was a solid trade off for not getting the +3 and sixth sense. I actually hadn't noticed the lack of makeuls in the list... Tho I'm not convinced the list is finalised. I'd be disappointed if Spiral can't take Saito considering the bundle.
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Mar 12, 2019 05:53
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Wow, I hadn't thought of that, I was just assuming Brawlers would have special triad options, but.. Yeah. Probably a one or the other option I would think. I hope.
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Mar 12, 2019 07:53
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Someone in my area is setting up a 400 point LI tourney. This format is hilarious, I'm already loving the stupid list concepts. Seriously might try Militay Orders for this just to get all the toys for this. Steel Phlanax is also tempting just for utterly stupid Hector and Achilles lists. A Hector/Machon/Ajax link just makes me giggle. Or a Morat list... I'm glad this is like a month away. Too many stupid ideas.
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Apr 12, 2019 08:05
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Maghariba duo If I had Haqq, the maggy duo absolutely would be my first choice. Hell, I'd run that list at 300 too.
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Apr 12, 2019 12:20
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I dig those buildings.
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Jun 4, 2019 04:31
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Also competes with Mowangs now. Tho, I am very much looking forward to running a Guijia this weekend at a 400pt tourney.
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Jul 4, 2019 05:15
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fatherboxx posted:dashat company and shasvastii are a horrible manifestation of power creep I dunno about Shasvastii, they have some nasty tricks and options, but I don't feel like they're op. Plenty of ways to deal with their crap. Dashat is my white whale at the moment, dealing with all their cheap roadblocks and that damnable linked rui shi is such a freaking pain.
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Jul 16, 2019 13:15
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Acceptableloss posted:That’s the weird thing about the Kanren. If you want to take advantage of Holo2 to disguise as something, you have to forgo the forward deployment, especially in ISS where there are no other FD options. I love Kanrens. If nothing else, midfield mad traps are hilarious, and he can move pretty freely around for mono cc fun or getting interesting angles with up to 4 markers/disposable things to eat aros. A friend of mine ran a 3 Hsien list for a 400 point game, and slapped down 6 total during deployment. Again, hilarious.
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Aug 6, 2019 06:13
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Sad to hear the cheating. I dig Druze. They're surprisingly flexible in their links, I like all the fatality and tools they get. I mean, they're not too tier but I could see them getting stuff done.
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Aug 18, 2019 12:29
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TwingeCrag posted:I really like everyone I've played with in the pacific northwest of the US. Same area and yeah, players out here are awesome. Even if I do have one opponent that keeps accidentally cheating me.
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Aug 28, 2019 03:53
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Wotsnik posted:Any chance of some feedback on these lists? Got a tourney coming up and I just can't seem to feel confident with what's gone on in the practice games vs mostly vs Morats and Nomads. Both lists are neat. I'm not a massive fan of sheskiin, but she's always nasty, and good free form haris that doesn't have to worry about cover really. I think if it was me, I'd probably try to find something to drop to make room for a Q Drone or two, because they're fantastic. Also with both lists having 2 groups, I'd seriously consider the Mentor lt for counter intelligence. For the second group, not sure why the tensho instead of another Nox. Also for mid field gumming, I'd try to get at least one Seed Soldier because more templates. Another list I think would benefit from a Q Drone, to try and cover the speculos, or make crossing Dazer terrain even worse. Those are my two cents, and don't necessarily listen to me, I took second to last in the one tourney I ran Shasvastii for, heh. Playing around a little with the first list, I think this is how I would attempt the link. GwBgzAPmIhDKALApgZwNYEsMDsAEAbHNXAJggHYBSAVmCpJBOsoEIBGAThvK7Aa5YkAHJTbQQlACxDJVFiNoiGYSazarq5VQ2msSqtiQ5spQkCMEGjJ6eb1XjpkCfYLySkNTCUAAk1FG3tKcam4eXqzMtMwMIKrswNyJDNQmPj5AA=== Swapped out the M Drone for Vic. He's only a few points more, and I like the versatility of a HD+. Dropped the Cadmus and Caliban sadly, just too point heavy with Sheskiin and a Gwailo. I'd probably deploy the Shrouded like he was an aggressive Caliban tho, possibly with a Spitfire to try and cloak the Noctifer points a little... tho, I always expect my opponent to think I have a noctifer anyways, so tried to gum that further on if/where with the 9 order main group. May just be a Cadmus, and try to get them to deploy anticipating that. Or potential thought of 2 nocs if they don't count swc right. I dunno, it's a tough link to build around. If it was totally me I'd probably completely drop the Noctifer, but a lot of people like them more than me. ...And because I'm dumb I can't figure out how to post a list eith proper formatting, so just an army code. Sporkie fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Sep 15, 2019 05:08
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Those brawlers are super cool. I love the lighting effect.
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Sep 15, 2019 23:34
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Quidthulhu posted:Thanks for the advice! Are there any good resources that summarize how armies are playing currently, what they can do, etc etc? Other than Toal’s little micro write up, which was really helpful! While I rarely recommend the official forums, they do have decent guides for most of the armies and sectorials which can give a general idea of how things work. https://www.thediceabide.com/blog/2019/8/26/infinity-which-faction-is-for-you-updated The Dice Abide has a pretty solid quick draft of faction overviews too, and a few other resources in general on the site.
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Sep 23, 2019 05:34
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Another option is coordinating orders to shoot at a single target. ARO can't split burst, so they'll eat at least one unopposed shot. It's not necessarily the best idea always, and lowers the burst of all models involved, but sometimes it's worth trading a model to break a link if you have to face it. And if youre playing haqq, you have some great pieces for that. Daylami panzerfausts are one of my favorite pieces to trade like that. Also a big fan of Kum bikers for sacrificial template runs.
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Oct 15, 2019 16:42
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DJ Dizzy posted:I love the models to death, but IME, the skillgap in this game is horrendously awful. Even between relatively new players. Has anyone experienced the same problem, and if so, how did you "get over" it? Loosing 200 games to start winning one isn't very appealing to me personally. I sympathize. In my area we have a lot of fantastic players, winners of satellites and all that. I don't win a lot out here even after a couple years playing. Getting over it for me really is just I try to enjoy playing, watch how my opponents do things and see if I can learn anything from being ground to paste. I play Infinity to relax, it's my video games, so going in I just try to have fun. I'm also not a super competitive person, and while I try to win, I tend not to stress if I don't. I dunno if that helps you any, but I know the feeling at least. I haven't had a good ITS showing for like 13 months now lol. But it's still fun for me.
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Feb 14, 2020 07:13
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Moonlit Knight posted:What would, hypothetically speaking, be a good first purchase for non-Steel Phalanx Aleph? I’ve been considering the Coldfront box, assuming I can find someone to play with me or at least take the Ariadna models. Also depends of you're planning vanilla, or OSS. The coldfront box is a great starting point too, a lot of the models get a lot of mileage in either. Also gonna recommend picking up Nagas because they're great for either.
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Moonlit Knight posted:I’m tending towards OSS. I also like the terrain included in the Coldfront box, it seems like a nice way to start. Then the other couple purchases I'm gonna recommend is Beyond Coldfront, and the Daikini swc box. Along with nagas. Because nagas are fantastic. Beyond gives you Shakti, and she's an amazing toolbox unit, great midfield 2 wound specialist. I'm also a massive fan of the rudras gunbot, I like all its profiles. The cyberdancer is cool too to passively buff daikini links if you prefer not to buff them with a hacker.
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Mar 7, 2020 21:56
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