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Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.



DISCLAIMER: Spoilers ahead. I tried to now show any major deaths (the one I do show is potentially of unreliable narration) and tagged them out, but I realize some people might just be picking the show up.

WHY I AM MAKING THIS THREAD
Because this show deserves better now than being sandwiched in the hell that is The Walking Dead Season 7 thread. It's a different animal than it's origins and zigs everywhere the main show za.. delivers a slow motion eye montage followed by a monologue.

FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Fear the Walking Dead is the AMC Spin-Off to The Walking Dead that is aired during the season breaks. Starting as a spin-off to examine regular people at the start of the apocalypse, the show clearly didn't have the budget for more than 4 zombies in Los Angeles and stumbled out of the gate into it's second season, which marked an improvement but some serious unevenness.

Then season 3 happened, when the show took a huge step up from what it had been and is now standing over the decayed zombie that the main show has become, superior in every way. I'll cover the show's ups and downs in the quick season recap section below, but this is when the show became entirely self-aware to it's plots leading to that point and said, "You know what? These characters are assholes. Let's roll with that," and it became it's greatest strength.

If you quit the show before season 3 and thought the cast were terrible people, the show agrees with you and it's great; you will probably love Season 3 onward.

Superior how?
Better characters. More interesting civilizations. Dialogue that isn't all monologues. Pacing that is tight enough to resolve a plot that'd drag for a season on TWD in 2 episodes. Better action. Better production value by a mile. Did I mention better characters?

THE CHARACTERS
Several characters have come or gone, but I'll be sticking to the most noteworthy for this.


Travis Manawa
aka "Poor Bastard"
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: ESCAPED TO PANDORA (DEAD)

Travis starts off as insufferable, but man does he pay for it. Nothing at all works out well for Travis, and he had a particularly lovely apocalypse. He eventually gets it together and becomes someone far more reasonable, however.

As you can see above, he gets over his dislike of guns.


Liza Ortiz
aka "The ex-wife"
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: Madison's first kill. Was promised Chris and Travis would stay safe. (DEAD)

Travis's ex-wife, which her son Chris lives with. She has some medical training, which ends up being both a blessing.. and a curse.

http://i.imgur.com/dZsfPf3.gifv
Chris Manawa
aka "The gently caress up" and "Psycho boy" and "That little poo poo."
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: Shot in the head by the guys who pulled a Hound and ate all the loving chickens, after wrecking their car 4 hours after getting into it. Or so they calim. (DEAD? Probably not. Maybe?)

Chris begins the series as an obnoxious, slightly whiny normal teenager who begins to develop into a full blown psychopath that despite his father's pleas decides to fall in with the worst crowd: Murder happy frat boys. It doesn't go well.

Also it is rapidly determined that Chris can't drive for poo poo. Laurie has more skills.


Madison Clark
aka "White Witch of the Apocalypse"
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: LIVING (Possibly with/as a Warlord).

Astroman posted:

Imagine you're sitting in front of a guidance counselor prattling on with life advice for you, meanwhile you know her kid is strung out on smack...

Madison is just a regular school guidance councilor at the school where her husband Travis taught English. However, just a few weeks in, she is entirely comfortable with torturing someone in her living room. That should have been a red flag.

Picture the manipulation skills of Carol with the ruthless intention of a character like the Governor, except not stupid*. Her first response to being taken to safety and shelter is "We need to take this place." She's only gotten worse since the events of Season 3's 2nd episode and has proven to be more than willing to use her children to help accomplish these goals in the name of family. (She may also have a Heisenberg streak)

*OK in season 1 & 2 she can be pretty stupid. She gets better.

http://i.imgur.com/DwbMPg1.gifv
Alicia Clark
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: Laying ambushes on armored vehicles(ALIVE)

Alicia is somewhere on the fence between wanting to the right thing and being her mother's daughter. She's been trying her hand at a number of skills from leadership attempting to keep a settlement from tearing itself apart to more than once crossing paths with medicine. Probably the most decent person in the family, arguably. She would still smile at you then stab you in the back.

https://i.imgur.com/h1s0gZu.gifv http://i.imgur.com/xMXrLX2.gifv
Nick Clark
aka "Not Depp"
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: Holding Morgan at gunpoint (ALIVE)

Nick is a recovering junkie, and more because the apocalypse makes it hard to score drugs than any desire to quit. In fact, his never ending quest to get high has caused him to steal medicine from the sick, debt himself to apocalyptic barter towns and even snort the sweet spot of zombie brains. The worst part is, he tries to be the groups moral compass before coming to realize while he's not good, he's still better than his mother. He's gone through several bizarre outlooks on life and has a bizarre feeling of kinship with the dead; he is extremely comfortable with roaming with large hordes covered in zombie gut to the point he's used them as both a defense and offense. He's also seemingly always willing to risk certain death, in particular for his family or friends; a little too willing.

https://i.imgur.com/IfkaN8X.mp4
Victor Strand
aka "Smoothest Talker"
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: BAD. rear end. (Alive)

Stand can talk himself out of almost anything, and when that fails, he's always got a plan or two up his sleeve. Forming something of a mentor friendship with Nick while in Quarantine late into Season 1, his boat the Abagail is how the group escaped Los Angeles and found themselves traveling the coast. When he reached his destination in Mexico, played close to his chest, he found his lover already bit and that the compound had come under the control of his increasingly off-kilter mother and with nowhere else to go, began showing more trust to the main group, eventually becoming very close with Madison as well.

Salazar, however, has never truly trusted or liked Strand and has some drat good reasons, particularly now.

https://i.imgur.com/9KUGFAx.gifv https://i.imgur.com/vr52H5w.gifv
Daniel Salazar
aka "El Salivdad"
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: Probably really, really pissed off. (Alive but scarred)

The Clarks met Daniel Salazar and his family during the initial outbreak, taking cover in his shop. It turns out that while he'd lived the past few decades as a small business owner in Los Angeles, he was a part of the Salvadoran Junta and with training by the CIA and it doesn't take more than a few days to jump straight to torturing for information; and that was just him getting started. Salazar may be the most dangerous character in the entire Walking Dead franchise, and he's not above shooting the next big villain square in the head less than a day after meeting him. As of the time of writing this, his KDR is confirmed at over 100:1, not counting the dead.

While he shows some loyalty to the Clarks, he is clearly dangerous to everyone around him, something he himself realizes. The only people safe from his violent side are his wife and daughter.


Ofelia Salazar
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: Did terrible things, had her pain meds stolen, and died before ever seeing her father again. (DEAD)

While unaware of her father's history Ofelia was quick to jump to extreme tactics herself, romantically leading a soldier on days into the outbreak to find out information and gain special favors. While thankful to the Clarks, it doesn't stop her from stabbing them in the back after she leaves the group for a time, before reuniting with them from the opposite side of a conflict.


Luciana Galvez
INTRODUCED: Season 2
STATUS: Went off to find more colonies, now helping to ambush armored trucks (ALIVE)

One of the few survivors of the La Colonia disaster, Luciana is in a relationship with Nick Clark though is willing and capable of going her own way when necessary. She served as a scout for that group, and is good at getting around quickly without being seen.


John Dorie
aka "The Gunslinger" aka "That guy from Deadwood" aka "Cromartie"
INTRODUCED: Season 4
STATUS: Just trying to find the girl with the matching gun (ALIVE)

A newcomer to Fear the Walking Dead, John Dorie is a frighteningly fast & accurate gunslinger who really doesn't want to kill nobody, as he says. He is fairly simple and seeks only to find his lost love, who has his matching gun, despite being realistic about his chances. He seems thus far like a really nice guy who happens to be the fastest draw in the apocalypse that just wants someone to talk to.


Althea
aka "Al"
INTRODUCED: Season 4
STATUS: Still trying to get a story (ALIVE)

Introduced in Season 4 driving a truck that would make Immortan Joe jealous, Althea is a reporter still trying to understand people's stories in the apocalypse. The unfortunate part of having such a cool converted SWAT truck with automated driver operated gun rack, of course, is that everyone wants it and may do anything to get it. She bails Morgan and John out of a jam in exchange for an interview.

ED: For those arguing how good those guns on the truck would work, I'd like to point you to a Breaking Bad Mythbusters episode using a similar technique. The answer is: Inefficiently but way better than they have any right to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TQr-A6ZuHk. Spoilers for Breaking Bad. If you're not seen Breaking Bad, GTFO of these Walking Dead threads, fix that, and come back.


Morgan
aka "A danger to himself and others" aka "Stick guy"
INTRODUCED: The Walking Dead Season 1, Episode 1 - Fear the Walking Dead Season 4, Episode 1
STATUS: Meeting the Clark family & friends (ALIVE)

It turns out Morgan's pacifist rhetoric only served to stop him from becoming a murderholic. Once he starts killing, he finds it pretty hard to stop, in particular with the delusions of his past kills constantly haunting him. One day he is either inspired by Forest Gump or realizes what show he's in, and he starts running. Running, walking, and running some more. Amazingly this works, and he escaped The Walking Dead to join the far better of the two shows.

I should point out that with just one Morgan heavy episode on Fear to go by, the character is already being handled better on every level so far.


Qaletaqa Walker & Lee "Crazy Dog"
aka you can't do better than Walker & Crazy Dog
INTRODUCED: Season 3
STATUS: Got the gently caress away from the Clarks, smartest people on the show. (ALIVE)

Some of the last survivors of their reservation following the implosion caused by fallout from a coup. Walker is an uncompromising and strong willed leader that negotiates by scalping still living victims while Crazy Dog is the hot head sniper and war veteran of the two. They are also smart enough to realize when it is time to get the gently caress away from the humanoid typhoons known as the Clark family.

Walker also saved and cared a great deal for Ofelia despite having her engage in some.. bad behavior.

http://i.imgur.com/JKGdQVG.gifv
The Ottos
Jermiah Sr, Jake and Troy Otto
INTRODUCED: Season 3
STATUS: DEAD, DEAD, and GIMPLED (Dead for behind the scenes bullshit). Fair well, ye Troy, you were too good for this franchise.

The Clarks find shelter in the third season on a paramilitary survivalist ranch, run by the Ottos. One is racist, one is naive and the last is a fascinating sociopath. Is it any surprise the latter is the one that fits in best with the crew?


Elena & Hector Reyes
aka "Some real assholes"
INTRODUCED: Season 2
STATUS: Their hotel looks like the Shining Elevator just opened and it was filled with zombies, but their fate is unconfirmed. (Unknown)

They ran the Rosarito Beach Hotel before and after the apocalypse, laying low and keeping the zombified guests locked out of the rest of the hotel. However, Madison decided to light a giant neon billboard on the hotel at night, causing flocks of survivors to pour into the place. When we last saw them, they were none too pleased with the Clarks for breaking their gate and causing a stampede of survivors to show up on their doorstep.

That said they both are extremely self-serving, somewhat irrational and generally a bag of unthankful dicks.


Proctor John
INTRODUCED: Season 3
STATUS: A little pissed about the whole dam thing. (ALIVE)

Proctor John runs the Proctors, a motorcycle gang that controlled most of the coast.. and still does. They run the barter towns and trade and while generally ruthless have a general code of conduct and set of rules. For example those that incur debt to the Proctors can in fact earn it off and be allowed to go free, if they're willing to do unflattering work like being chained to a fence to ward off approaching Walkers. He did have a medical condition that prevented him from walking but thanks to a procedure (and Alicia) he is able to walk once more.

He is definitely dangerous and may have more soldiers at his disposal than any character seen in the entire franchise thus far.


Alex
aka "The woman from the plane"
INTRODUCED: Season 2
STATUS: SCREWED OVER BY THE CLARKS (ALIVE)

Introduced in the short series Flight 462 (Oh believe me, more on that and the time traveling airplane below) with the intention of one character joining the main cast. Instead she is stuffed in a dingy with the dying boy she is trying to protect, then cut away before finding the sea pirates that, once again, the Clarks screw over. She hasn't been seen since but she has every reason to try to kill them on sight.

https://i.imgur.com/gWi5wse.mp4
THE GOON
aka "THE GOON"
INTRODUCED: Season 1
STATUS: Holed up with Lowtax in the SA server room

Nobody remembers his actual name, just that he figured out the zombie thing first and had the best ideas. Last we saw the goon, he had a plan, but a plan leading him in a different direction.

I'm sure he's fine. Right?

http://i.imgur.com/kgwb1Uh.gifv

THE SEASONS

Season 1
The Pitch: Watch normal families deal with the early days of the apocalypse.
Synopsis: Three families must band together at the start of the apocalypse (The Clarks, Travis's ex wife and son and the Salazars) to try to survive. The military swiftly takes over their neighborhood and when paranoia sets in as more people are moved to a quarantine facility, they enact a plan to break out the family members held there and escape the city.
Pros: Some good acting and some interesting ideas.
Cons: They don't have the budget to show more than 2 zombies in LA, the big action scenes are off camera over a radio and ultimately they skip the entire pitch of the show while they sit inside a house playing board games. Also the plot doesn't make much sense since zombies seem to be super awesome ninjas sneaking around LA without people noticing.
Bonus: First Clark mega-dickery: Unlocking the chain to the zombie zone, leaving their entire neighborhood on the menu for eating with zero shits given.

Flight 454
Synopsis: The short film leading into Fear the Walking Dead, originally aired on TWD commercial breaks for 12 weeks.
Pros: There's a couple decent characters in there that were scheduled to join the main cast.
Cons: Said characters are immediately screwed over and abandon by the Clarks. Also, the plane appears to have traveled time; the short begins at the start of the apocalypse, with a kid texting his mother and there being confusion about the zombies. Weeks later when the Clarks finally reach where it crashed, people are still in the plane bleeding to death. Honestly this whole thing just makes the timeline MORE confusing and is best ignored.

Season 2A
Synopsis: The Clarks, having escaped to the mysterious Victor Strand's boat Abigail, begin sailing south to a secret destination of his. Along the way they encounter a number of survivors and situations, from sea pirates to domestic disputes.
Pros: This was a fun part of the season with numerous interesting encounters. Our main characters mostly get everyone they run into killed, of course.
Cons: Some characters are dumb and the show seemed oblivious to the fact the main characters are not heroes, or even anti-heroes at this point.

Season 2B
Synopsis: The most uneven period of the show. It begins when everyone goes completely insane at the same time, having no real signs of this previously and continues on to deal with the crappiest cartel and a couple dicks who run a hotel. I'd describe 2B as "all over the place."
Pros: Some good episodes, moments and characters. Some unintentionally good ones too, like Chris's wrecking a car after being supremely stupid that was funnier than any comedy I've seen in the last year.
Cons: The Cartel is one of the most hilariously incompetent enemies in TWD history. They let people get away with disrespecting them and then they assault a VERY well fortified town with like 6 guys with rifles, walking directly through a zombie moat, unaware it's been abandon by an even dumber tactician (Nick), who gloriously lead those people from their well defended town into the gaping jaws of death. Also, there's a literal Austin Powers steamroller moment where Nick and a horde shuffle at a guy who refuses to get back in his still running car, and instead reload his revolver one bullet at a time in front of a herd. Also Strand being nice and letting the Clarks leave the hotel before a lynch mob came for them only for them to run over the gate (and way from the mess they made) is a classic moment.

Season 3
Synopsis: A new show runner came to town and fixed the show. While he was promptly fired for making this show way better, his legacy lives on with a competent writing staff and directors. The Clarks find themselves at the mercy of a militia in part commanded by a true sociopath. Through a series of events, they end up finding shelter with the sociopath's people, most of which don't know or agree with his methods. Upon reaching safety, Madison declares they need to take the place over and the show finally comes to grips with the fact the characters are really not good people.
Pros: Interesting conflicts with consistent and evolving characters. Good directing and acting. Lots of new settlements that are reasonable and have their own personality.. no endless sea of warlords. For those TWD veterans I will also say the action and production value has actually moved up to be a proper A list show and the action is actually comprehensible and thought out (no instances of people walking in the open up to windows whistling or standing around in a big heap in an open field). The pacing is also breakneck, with season 3 clearing several major plots.
Cons: Some changes to the finale got made by Scott Gimple, wanting to push the show to "be consistent" with the steaming pile of horseshit that is The Walking Dead right now. However, Gimple was shortly after 'promoted' away from creative control of the franchise, so the biggest lasting effect is the death of Troy, who was a great cast addition.

Season 4
Synopsis: With a time jump bringing it into sync with The Walking Dead proper, Morgan and several new characters will be joining the main cast. This time around it looks as if the Clarks may full well and truly be on the dark side, with the first episode ending with them ambushing Morgan and his new traveling companions on the highway, possibly working for or on the run from Proctor John's people..

Viewing Recommendation
This is a tough one. I gave that honest review of the seasons because I'd say if you don't mind a slow first season followed by an entertaining but uneven second season, it's a good idea to just binge up to the 3rd season. If Walking Dead proper has burnt out your tolerance for bullshit.. you can probably skip right up to season 3 and get a handle on things fast. There's definite satisfaction in watching their long list of disasters pile up and then be acknowledged, but season 3 is when it really takes on it's own vibe.

https://i.imgur.com/OJto3my.gifv

LIVES RUINED BY THE CLARK FAMILY & FRIENDS SCORECARD
(Submit your own!)

* All of the families they left in the suburbs, after unchaining the gate to the zombie wastes and not re-chaining it. You last see an open gate and a birthday party.
* Soldier tortured into giving up possibly flimsy information
* Fed Soldiers guarding a medical hospital legitimately doing their jobs to zombies
* Travis's ex-wife was killed in said raid
* Run into a sea warlord that was seemingly kind of reasonable with one bad henchman, then comic-Neegan'ed them with a zombie corpse in a hostage exchange
* Got involved in a domestic dispute while on the sea, with the ultimate decision being "call all the zombies to eat the family and GTFO, oops"
* Got taken into a farm run by a woman with stupid beliefs. Proceeded to feed her to zombies and burn down her farm everyone used for shelter because, like, gently caress her ideas man
- In the Clarks defense they did feed the zombies a puppy for burning down the farm might have been perfectly cool
* Got everyone being treated in the medical hospital executed as a mercy because of aforementioned zombie feeding
* Not one, but two Clarks antagonized the Cartel into being dangers to those around them
* Destroyed a survivable shelter by turning on a giant neon sign to find a lost party member, Madison DGAF
* Convinced an entire super well defended settlement to charge into the wasteland to avoid like 6 dudes with machine guns, who were stupid enough to walk through a zombie moat
** The ones that didn't die in the hailstorm of gun fire or were eaten by zombies were killed for medical experimentation, go team Clark! Also they only got noticed by the Cartel thanks to the Clarks
* Destroyed not one by two settlements while attempting to overthrow the leadership of a settlement because Madison knows best
* While fighting how to best manipulate a third settlement that also provided clean water to the area, they end losing it to bikers and then blowing it up. Oops!
* As of Season 4, Episode 1 they were last seen taken Morgan and his new friends hostage at gun point.

Settlement Destroyed Score: 5

Final Thoughts
If The Walking Dead feels like a soap opera with zombies to you, Fear feels a little more like, if I had to pin it down, Mad Max (I do mean Mad Max, not Road Warrior) with this just.. slight tongue in cheek undercurrent missing from the main show, giving it some black humor starting in it's 3rd season. It's subtle but present and makes things much more fun. Things like the Otto Ranch tape video to the old west themed spaghetti western take on the theme, they know what kind of show they're making and are all the better for it.

SPECIAL THANKS: Moist Turtleneck and The Walking Dead Thread for all the gifs and suggestions. Also thanks to Moist Turtleneck for making the main show and thread bearable in the darkest/dumbest of times.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 22:08

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Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

"TELL ME HOW TO GET PIG SEMEN OUT OF SUEDE" Club soda, fucktard.

Holy poo poo the OP is better than the show!

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017



Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.


Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Holy poo poo the OP is better than the show!

Thanks, appreciate the help from folks.

Sorry for some errors, I tried to edit them up. The videos don't work right in preview mode.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.


By the way, I know there are more new characters coming to the show this season, including images. I decided I'd post them in as they actually come up, even though the information is so limited (just a name and face) it's barely a spoiler.

Plus it's always hard to tell if they'll end up being fodder that dies the episode they show up in or be infamous background characters that have a name but no real scenes.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."


Still a few typos here or there in the OP, but otherwise lookin' solid.

tho, is the reasoning for Troy being GIMPLED to make it consistent with the main show actually known, or was Scott just deliberately non-specific?

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.


CrazyLoon posted:

Still a few typos here or there in the OP, but otherwise lookin' solid.

tho, is the reasoning for Troy being GIMPLED to make it consistent with the main show actually known, or was Scott just deliberately non-specific?

I got the impression Gimple just didn't get Troy. The logic was about as sound as "Carl is the key to not killing Negan."

Also working on ironing out those typos. I'll give it another pass in a bit, banged a few out.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


That is an excellent OP.

Ersatz
Sep 17, 2005



Astroman posted:

That is an excellent OP.
For real, this thread will be glorious.

Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016



Yesssssss, this came out perfect. You covered pretty much everything I can think of and then some.
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Anyway as far as the premier is concerned, I was worried at first when I found out it was just gonna be about Morgan's transition, but I was so pleasantly surprised by the episode. I will say I thought it was kind of hosed up and disrespectful of the producers to make the FTWD PREMIER entirely about a character from a different show, but it is what it is and the writing, directing, and cinematography were great. The two new characters John and Althea seem very charismatic and interesting so far and I look forward to finding out more about them.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Youve come a long way from the guy that refused to believe Glen death 1 was a fakeout when we all said it

jfood
Jan 21, 2015


I prefer 'reaver queen' for Madison.

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.

Pillbug

A dumb thing I made back in season 2. El Salvidad is the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Op6H6s_6c

I'd maybe put a huge "HERE BE SPOILERS" at the top for people just tuning in? Despite our incessant urging, some people might still have no seen the show up to now.

brocked
Oct 25, 2005

All shall love me and despair!

Wasn't Chick Grimes actually a guidance counselor in the normal world?

Also, I really don't get why people love Troy so much, he was basically a school shooter in the zombie apocalypse.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.


Am I the only one that ALWAYS thinks of this every time the TWD proper show does a slow motion montage of anything?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs10Bd2zh8U#t=936s

I've never actually seen an interview with Scott Gimble but I will forever picture him like Dean Leaner

brocked posted:

Wasn't Chick Grimes actually a guidance counselor in the normal world?

You know you may be correct on that. I'll update it in a bit. I remembered they both worked at the school.

brocked posted:

Also, I really don't get why people love Troy so much, he was basically a school shooter in the zombie apocalypse.

Because a true completely sociopath with literally no empathy or understanding of it is a fascinating character, in particular one that wanted to change and be a better person. He had a ton of potential. He was less evil and more legitimately mentally sick.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2018 around 11:36

warcrimes
Jul 6, 2013

I don't know what's it called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes a J4G's life.

Blazing Ownager posted:

By the way, I know there are more new characters coming to the show this season, including images. I decided I'd post them in as they actually come up, even though the information is so limited (just a name and face) it's barely a spoiler.

Plus it's always hard to tell if they'll end up being fodder that dies the episode they show up in or be infamous background characters that have a name but no real scenes.

Yeah, do this. I avoided any FTWD S3 info, so had no idea Dillahunt and the chick from Lost were on this. Very pleasant surprises.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008

Ahhh, ninja beer!
Ninja beer?
Beer that vanish without trace!


drat that's a helluva OP, Blazing.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005
Oh, Jesus fuck. It's like the Nazis opened The Ark Of The Covenant, and I looked.


Blazing Ownager posted:

Am I the only one that ALWAYS thinks of this every time the TWD proper show does a slow motion montage of anything?



You know you may be correct on that. I'll update it in a bit. I remembered they both worked at the school.

Travis was an English teacher and Madison was a guidance counselor.

quote:

Because a true completely sociopath with literally no empathy or understanding of it is a fascinating character, in particular one that wanted to change and be a better person. He had a ton of potential. He was less evil and more legitimately mentally sick.

This, I thought Daniel Sharman had panache (‘ta-daaaa!’) and I thought he was interesting because dude was legit messed in the head but ‘trying’ to do the right thing, and his weird bromance with Nick was kind of endearing.

Speaking of Troy, anyone have the GIF of Jake getting knocked down the hill?

Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016



Madison made both of her kids go to the same high school she worked as a guidance counselor at, despite there probably being plenty of other options for them. No wonder Nick started doing heroin at 14 lmao. Dude never dropped out either; probably dragged his strung out burnt out rear end to class every day just to show the school how great at guiding youth his mom was.

Tobias mentioned something about Nick being a senior when he was a freshman, and they showed Alicia at the same school, so they definitely had to go to school where their mom worked and was banging one of the English teachers (Travis).

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009


Blazing Ownager posted:


Because a true completely sociopath with literally no empathy or understanding of it is a fascinating character, in particular one that wanted to change and be a better person. He had a ton of potential. He was less evil and more legitimately mentally sick.

Potential yeah but I still much prefer how this show kills off characters to how TWD does('nt) do it.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Acacia REI posted:

Madison made both of her kids go to the same high school she worked as a guidance counselor at, despite there probably being plenty of other options for them. No wonder Nick started doing heroin at 14 lmao. Dude never dropped out either; probably dragged his strung out burnt out rear end to class every day just to show the school how great at guiding youth his mom was.

Tobias mentioned something about Nick being a senior when he was a freshman, and they showed Alicia at the same school, so they definitely had to go to school where their mom worked and was banging one of the English teachers (Travis).

Imagine you're sitting in front of a guidance counselor prattling on with life advice for you, meanwhile you know her kid is strung out on smack...

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."


Astroman posted:

Imagine you're sitting in front of a guidance counselor prattling on with life advice for you, meanwhile you know her kid is strung out on smack...

Well, like dat goon kid said in s1, Nick seemed 'kinda nice' back then at least lol.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.


CrazyLoon posted:

Well, like dat goon kid said in s1, Nick seemed 'kinda nice' back then at least lol.

Nick seems kind of nice now, too.

Like you could totally picture the character being chill to talk to as long as you're aware he'll steal your wallet at the first opportunity through zero malice, he just wants more drugs at any price

Darko posted:

Youve come a long way from the guy that refused to believe Glen death 1 was a fakeout when we all said it

To borrow a phrase from GoT forums, I was a sweet summer child who thought AMC wouldn't sink THAT low.

But this is now from the show who brings us the filthy trash people. There is no low that they won't go.

CODChimera posted:

Potential yeah but I still much prefer how this show kills off characters to how TWD does('nt) do it.

I guess I like to keep characters around that by their very nature cause things to get crazy.

I still think Merle would have been a million, million times more interesting than Daryl on the main show and they should have switched them way back in season 3.

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brocked
Oct 25, 2005

All shall love me and despair!

That lady's SWAT truck seems like a one or two time deal, unless she also happens to know if an untouched ammo dump around there (show is in Texas now so of course everyone is going to be armed to the teeth)

Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016



Astroman posted:

Imagine you're sitting in front of a guidance counselor prattling on with life advice for you, meanwhile you know her kid is strung out on smack...

Yeah and considering the size of that oxy-contin stash in the school's confiscation locker, I'm sure Nick wasn't her only youth casualty

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


I haven't watched this poo poo in forever but I hope there's a slowly increasing number of rumors of poo poo happening "out west" in the main show every season until Dick's group get fuuuucked up.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005

~~~~~~K.I.D.S.~~~~~~

CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK!



I'm about half way through season 3 and people were right. This show does kind of redeem itself. It's not great but it's a big step up from the previous 2 seasons and quite a bit better than the main show at this point.

Holy gently caress Daniel is consistently the most irredeemable piece of poo poo on television though. I am really confused about what the audience is supposed to think of this guy. It still seems like the show wants me to think he is a conflicted badass with some inner demons, but he is just such an utter tool. They killed off some of the worst characters or made them less lovely (Madison) but Daniel is as horrible as ever. I've never wanted to see a character get eaten by zombies so much. He loving sucks and so does his dumb daughter.

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.

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veni veni veni posted:

I'm about half way through season 3 and people were right. This show does kind of redeem itself. It's not great but it's a big step up from the previous 2 seasons and quite a bit better than the main show at this point.

Holy gently caress Daniel is consistently the most irredeemable piece of poo poo on television though. I am really confused about what the audience is supposed to think of this guy. It still seems like the show wants me to think he is a conflicted badass with some inner demons, but he is just such an utter tool. They killed off some of the worst characters or made them less lovely (Madison) but Daniel is as horrible as ever. I've never wanted to see a character get eaten by zombies so much. He loving sucks and so does his dumb daughter.

Daniel is a broken monster who is given chances to be a better person and the conflict in whether or not it is taken is a pretty central theme. Really most characters' situations boil down to this. And if you aren't a broken monster you probably will be killed by Madison. And if you are a broken monster you will probably be killed by Madison.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.


veni veni veni posted:

Holy gently caress Daniel is consistently the most irredeemable piece of poo poo on television though.

Yet he is the kind of piece of poo poo that'd shot Negan and his entire leadership in the face then executed the rest within 3 episodes, so he's okay in my book.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

We must secure the existence of civil argument and a future for healthy discourse.


Milo and POTUS posted:

I haven't watched this poo poo in forever but I hope there's a slowly increasing number of rumors of poo poo happening "out west" in the main show every season until Dick's group get fuuuucked up.

If the two casts get into conflict and the main show doesn't lose at least half of it's named cast they hosed it up

ED: If Carol's death was bullshitting Madison who is bullshitting Carol in a feedback loop until they both realize it then Madison put a spike in her head, I'd be okay with that. It might be the only suitable Carol death.

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009


"quite a bit better than the main show" is underselling it a lot if only because of how bad TWD is now.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005

~~~~~~K.I.D.S.~~~~~~

CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK!



Blazing Ownager posted:

Yet he is the kind of piece of poo poo that'd shot Negan and his entire leadership in the face then executed the rest within 3 episodes, so he's okay in my book.

true

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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I feel like Daniel is a really good example in how Fear knows how to handle characters better than the main show. The main show would've likely turned him into something like a latino Drrrrl 2.0 only older, with only rare moments of being an actual human being, but as soon as I got to the story of his first victim in the season 2 midpoint (himself) that immediately convinced me they were handling him pretty realistically. Namely, that while he remains quite monstrous (and Strand quite rightly calls him a paranoid fool once as he makes a mistake), he's not a cut and dry monster.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

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CrazyLoon posted:

latino Drrrrl 2.0

I am not joking even a little bit when I say I can't remember the last time Daryl got to do something besides shoot things with another thing.

The closest he's had to character is grumbling about Dwight.

I know it says hyperbolic when I say the new characters of Al and Dorie have displayed more personality than Daryl in the last 3 seasons of TWD in just one episode. Which is no knock on Norman Reedus, the whole cast has been turned into background-posing machines over there.

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

Z E A L!





what were the behind the scenes factors that saw Troy off the show?

Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016



Here's a link to an interview with FTWD's old showrunner. It has an explanation of why he killed off Troy: http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/15/fear-th...s-showrunner/2/

There was another article/interview about Troy that confirmed he was supposed to make it at least partway through season 4. Between the interview I linked and the other one (I don't really feel like digging for it), you can draw the conclusion that Erickson just didn't want Gimple or the new showrunners loving Troy's character up. It was more of a mercy kill than anything.

warcrimes
Jul 6, 2013

I don't know what's it called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes a J4G's life.

Has anyone mentioned how great the new open is? It's wallpaper gorgeous

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


lol that they are trying so hard to push Badlands that they are going to put it before Talking Dead for half the loving season.

Like I'm not gonna just watch Westworld live, Fear on DVR, and Talking Dead live.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008

Ahhh, ninja beer!
Ninja beer?
Beer that vanish without trace!


so I'm still 100% digging Fear over TWD, but are we seriously getting another Negan-style baddie who has enough plot armour he can sit in an open parking lot in front of our protagonists and not just get shot with a loving rifle? like, c'mon, really? we literally just had that. for two seasons.

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Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016



I liked the episode, but it was weird/bitter-sweet, 'cause it really does feel like a reboot. Madison is a totally different character, they made her like early-on Rick Grimes. And yeah the first thing I thought of when they introduced the new bad guys is "fml, Negan 2.0"

The scene where Nick crashes the truck was funny.

I totally should have known that little girl was a spy.

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