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Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

One day nearer spring

Acacia REI posted:

I just finished re-watching the Daniel solo episode from season 3 and I loving weep man. The whole episode was stunning and I really wish the S4 crew had at least kept the same "feel" as season 3.

Everything just seems stale and dead now and I'm sure they will probably justify it with something like "it's the apocalypse, we are ~~~aRtiStIcaLlY~~~ conveying S A D N E S S & D E S O L A T I O N through flat cinematography and various Instagram filters" but it's all just too much. I used to joke about the main show's filters making it look like a PS2 era Call of Duty game but FTWD's new filter looks almost completely black-and-white at times.

Oh and I miss the way the characters used to interact with and talk to each other. It hasn't slid quite down to TWD's levels of uh... "deep," but I'm definitely seeing some influence.

I want my show back. :(

daniel solo episode was amazing

i may not make it through the rest of this season of ftwd, theres too much other good tv

:(

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Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016

Luvcow posted:

daniel solo episode was amazing

i may not make it through the rest of this season of ftwd, theres too much other good tv

:(

It's honestly one of my favorite episodes of television. Actually season 3 of FTWD is one of my favorite seasons of TV in general. I remember caping for S2 because, despite its many flaws, I enjoyed watching it way more than S6 of the main show. I remember saying on social media that if they could fix some of their problems with pacing, and tighten up the writing just a little, it would probably be my favorite show currently on the air.

In S3 they did everything I wanted and then some, and yeah... it really did become my favorite show for a little while, and then after that... hostile takeover. I was open minded and everything up until the last couple episodes of 4a, but I'm out now. I gave up after the MSF. I haven't even watched the MSP and I don't think I will, or any episode after (except maybe episode 12, which is gonna be directed by Colman Domingo (Strand)).

I caped so loving hard for this show when everyone else thought it was poo poo, like "Just wait until AMC realizes this show can't survive on a $6 budget; season 3 is gonna be fire." Gimple & the new showrunners should have been following more closely to the reviews S3 was getting, not the ratings. The ratings were the lowest of the series because AMC strangled production of the first two seasons in multiple ways and it showed in the episodes and reflected in the ratings. No one was expecting S3 to be good, let alone as good as it was.

Acacia REI fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Aug 20, 2018

Boinks
Nov 24, 2003



Anyone else watching this poo poo fest live? I'm the zombies who forgot how to break a giant window.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Give me a few days to give enough of a poo poo to watch this.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Was I the only one who thought that the scene where they were in the car talking about the beach Charlie was about to get Look At The Flowered?

:commissar:

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



Oh boy! An Alicia and Charlie bottle episode!

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.

Astroman posted:

Was I the only one who thought that the scene where they were in the car talking about the beach Charlie was about to get Look At The Flowered?

:commissar:

If that scene was supposed to be sweet and sentiment they hosed up so bad. Like I was tensing up the whole time waiting for a gun to just enter the side of the frame.

This whole episode was a total mess. Like Alicia getting on Charlie's case about how she was garbage and would never ever be worth anything. Like holy poo poo Alicia, you must have lived a literal redemption arc of your mother because she WAS A LITERAL MONSTER then turns into a "No one is gone til their gone" angel. The woman you are idolizing so much did a ton of really heinous poo poo. Like have a little compassion for the literal child who killed someone who had just murdered her adoptive parent. Like ok yeah be sad and mad, but maybe just a touch of understanding? I dunno. It just rang super false.

And thank god for the magic zombie that managed to break heavy metal doors and the chain locking them down, then rolling over off the doors so people could use them. The real hero.

This storm story plot is such a wasted oppourtunity. There is no reason to have had to separate everyone. In fact, a much better story would have been having everyone be separate before the storm (more so than currently). Then have all the characters basically seek shelter from the storm as it gets worse in the mansion. Then have the story just be "Heroes vs the Storm" because even with everyone acting rational and logical a storm will still make insane stuff happen they need to combat. You don't need artificial drama when you could have had a ton of organic drama unfold from a bunch of people not terrible happy with each other forced into a smallish space while also dealing with the threats from the outside.

I basically just described Night of the Living Dead But With A Storm Too, and you know what? That'd have been just fine with me.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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Dinosaur Gum
lmao how did falling on mud knock alicia out

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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I just flipped through the episode and I dont feel like I missed a single thing except people staring at each other without saying anything

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

moist turtleneck posted:

I just flipped through the episode and I dont feel like I missed a single thing except people staring at each other without saying anything

The Walking Dead Experience

Tortuga
Aug 27, 2011


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moist turtleneck posted:

lmao how did falling on mud knock alicia out

I think she was knocked out by the car door. I mean she had just shown that she is very skilled combatant capable of killing zombies 2 at a time with random houshold ornaments in the previous scene, but taking on an unlocked car door that you've chosen to smash in your own face for no good reason is a whole nother level.

Tortuga
Aug 27, 2011


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Huh. That was the worst Walking Dead episode I've ever seen. Didn't think I'd be saying that so early in 2018.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

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Tortuga posted:

Huh. That was the worst Walking Dead episode I've ever seen. Didn't think I'd be saying that so early in 2018.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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Dinosaur Gum
I'm watching a little bit more closely now and alicia's motivations are all over the fuckin place

charlie should have killed her

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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Also it would make more sense during the suicide scene if alicia would repeat the madison thing of "you're not gone until you're gone" as a reason for not shooting

but instead we get a jumpcut of madison with a flare and strand swinging a torch around

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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hahaha alicia's "we're hosed" speech lmao

who the gently caress wouldn't check around for a day or two

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

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Finally got through all of season three.

Haven't read anything about season four other than a spoiler on a news article that Alicia was the only Clark left, and in this read I accidentally read that Strand was still alive. So throughout the entire finale I was waiting for both Madison and Nick to kick it. When Nick did the whole blow up the drat thing and subsequently Madison, Strand, and Alicia were being sucked into the breach I thought that Madison was gonna end up dying here to save Alicia but I guess she doesn't die until the next season. Now that I think about it, I don't remember them showing Nick dying/his body so he's probably still alive too unless I just forgot.

The thing about being stuck in the pantry, I don't get why they didn't just use the guts of the deceased to just waltz right on out of there. Like either zombie armor exists and it should be used in every occasion, or it doesn't exist: pick one. It's really annoying how the characters have collective amnesia about it until the plot requires it and then it's treated as a last resort/get out of jail card. Why they aren't covered in guts 24/7 or have ghillie suits made of zombie parts doesn't make any sense to me.

I have mixed feelings about Strand. On the one hand they try so so hard to make his actions look ambiguous to get you to distrust him, but on the other hand he's been the Clark's most helpful ally hasn't he? Even with the dam thing, he took extra measures to ensure Madison wasn't murdered. He didn't do the same for Nick, but I feel like his plan was that Nick would have joined them into going to the dam in the first place, and that he would have sent them both off before the murder crew rolled in.

Troy was also a mixed bag. His actions were repulsive and reprehensible for sure, but I feel like the Troy we met at the output and the Troy we met at the ranch and afterwards were two totally different people. I always figured he wouldn't last the season so it wasn't much of a surprise that he was offed, but I thought that they were setting him up for some kind of self-sacrifice/redemption.

Madison is probably the worse of them. I get that she wants to protect her family, but she wants to protect them at all cost and gives no shits about anybody else or the consequences of her actions. I'm getting really tired of the mama bear routine to be honest. I agreed with Strand that her actions like giving up bargaining chips and depending on the generosity of others in this hosed up world were just plain dumb and naive. I feel like if Strand had to kill Madison he would have given two thoughts about it and would have been conflicted, but if Madison had to shoot Strand she would have just pulled the trigger because gently caress you got mine.

Overall about the show, I'm not really sure how this show is different from The Walking Dead except with a different family, and that the family are basically "civilians" (compared to Rick's murdercrew). Like, they could have put this show as the subplot of TWD and it would feel the exact same. I thought FtWD was suppose to go more into details about how the zombies came to be and how civilization collapsed based on something I read a while ago, but maybe I just remembered wrong.

Does Morgan from TWD show up in the first episode of season four?

J-Spot
May 7, 2002

Boris Galerkin posted:

Does Morgan from TWD show up in the first episode of season four?

Yeah, the first episode picks up from where the last episode of TWD left off. The new showrunners pretty clearly would rather not be writing for FtWD so season 4 is essentially a soft reboot. Once they finish offing the original cast they’ll have a whole new show.

Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016

Boris Galerkin posted:

Overall about the show, I'm not really sure how this show is different from The Walking Dead except with a different family, and that the family are basically "civilians" (compared to Rick's murdercrew). Like, they could have put this show as the subplot of TWD and it would feel the exact same.
It's the exact opposite for me, I thought FtWD always had a distinctively different feel from the main show, despite both shows essentially being about the same thing ("apocalypse turns people into monsters both literally and figuratively"). It's why I quit after the most recent mid-season finale - they changed too much about it to accommodate the crossover. They didn't just change the characters, they also changed the cinematography, dialog, and everything that made me like the show. Now it's just TWD 2.0 with all its dull scenery, still camera work, lovely fake-deep dialog, and everything else that drove me away from TWD.

Also, I just felt like FtWD was continuously improving, like the showrunner knew how to take criticism and was willing to listen to the viewers whereas TWD mostly just road the coattails of Darabont's amazing season 1 and got lucky with season 5.

Boris Galerkin posted:

I thought FtWD was suppose to go more into details about how the zombies came to be and how civilization collapsed based on something I read a while ago, but maybe I just remembered wrong.
Nah, that's just what a bunch of people speculated it was going to be about. Robert Kirkman specifically stated he wouldn't reveal what started the outbreak in either production.

It was however supposed to focus on the downfall of civilization, but that got skipped over because Kirkman wouldn't let the showrunner do anything he actually wanted to do and the executives were pressuring him to move the timeline along, so the downfall of society became "9 days later" and we got a weird family drama instead.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

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Yeah I thought they would focus more on the time between the first zombies being reanimated through to when cities started being firebombed including why and how those decisions were made.

Anyway so what you’re saying is that season 4 might just as well be TWD? I didn’t really like the newer seasons at all.

Acacia REI
Oct 8, 2016

Boris Galerkin posted:

Anyway so what you’re saying is that season 4 might just as well be TWD? I didn’t really like the newer seasons at all.
Yep! Aside from everything else I mentioned, characters' entire personalities change at the drop of a hat now - just like on the main show. All subtlety and nuance is gone.

brocked
Oct 25, 2005

All shall love me and despair!
I'm the crazy 24-hour thunderstorm with 100mph straight line winds that don't affect wicker chairs

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




brocked posted:

I'm the crazy 24-hour thunderstorm with 100mph straight line winds that don't affect wicker chairs

Or the trees in the background...

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Boris Galerkin posted:

Yeah I thought they would focus more on the time between the first zombies being reanimated through to when cities started being firebombed including why and how those decisions were made.

Anyway so what you’re saying is that season 4 might just as well be TWD? I didn’t really like the newer seasons at all.

Besides being reluctant to show the origins or science behind the virus, Kirkman also seems very reluctant to show the high level decisions as the world ended. Which is why the foray into Washington could be neat, as long as it's not just a cool setpiece of Post Apoc Porn.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Astroman posted:

Besides being reluctant to show the origins or science behind the virus, Kirkman also seems very reluctant to show the high level decisions as the world ended. Which is why the foray into Washington could be neat, as long as it's not just a cool setpiece of Post Apoc Porn.

It's just we already have a show about "group of people trying to survive in a zombie filled world." If it were a different show, set in a different universe, that's one thing. But this is the same exact universe as TWD so I just don't see a point in showing the exact same story from the perspective of a different group of people, doing the same things.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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So the new season already started? I missed the first 2 episodes to make fun of.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary
Looks like Cole splintered into the wrong timeline again

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


"Morgan, let me tell you about The Witness..."

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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So they don't know houses in Texas don't have basements do they?

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


LOL seriously Talking Dead? Afraid to mention a science fiction show that ended because it's on a competing network?

"Viewers may recognize Aaron Stamford from his most prominent role, a bit part in one episode10 years ago on AMC PROPERTY MAD MEN."

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Axe Morgan is so much cooler than Spear Morgan.

Andrew_1985
Sep 18, 2007
Hay hay hay!
Ugh, let Morgan die. Give us back Murder Mom.

Really not interested for Fear the Walking Dead to head to backwater America. Feels like a complete rehash of the main series. At least Fear going to Mexico, Texas & LA was different.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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god I love mo collins

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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why wouldnt morgan tell them where the settlement is? Does he really think these two could take out Murder Rick and Gang?

Also I didn't quite understand, so the trucker buddies are not the same truckers that were helping people? But they knew everything about what they were doing?

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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Also was the witch lady/zombie at the end also bad people? Does this Trucker Santa not actually exist?

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




moist turtleneck posted:

Also was the witch lady/zombie at the end also bad people? Does this Trucker Santa not actually exist?

Okay this has piqued my interest, maybe I should pick this show back up

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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moist turtleneck posted:

why wouldnt morgan tell them where the settlement is? Does he really think these two could take out Murder Rick and Gang?

Also I didn't quite understand, so the trucker buddies are not the same truckers that were helping people? But they knew everything about what they were doing?

Next season on the walking dead is all about 2 truckers taking over the settlements, didn't you watch the trailers?

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003
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I'm kinda pumped to see how they tastefully kill the wheelchair guy

like he wakes up and he's getting eaten but cant feel it yet

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Just rewatch the episode in step forward/slow motion mode on the tivo. It seems like they like that gimmick now.

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JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.
This episode was garbage, I was going to list a bunch of the more obvious stuff. I'll keep it to just one cause I don't have the time. Morgan slept through many many hours (up to a couple days) in the back of a truck as it traveled from Texas to Mississippi. Who the gently caress thought that was a good way to get the plot to move?

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