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WORST TV ANNOUNCER Remember when I said that a good announcer can connect with crowds, elevate a promotion and become beloved over the years? This category is the opposite of that.  COMPLETE YEAR-BY-YEAR RESULTS https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jdJvFCkcKieBI_o2kzu-ixEgn31KQF4Vu_B-bkN6C3g/edit#gid=0code:-- THE LONGEST-RUNNING WORST TV ANNOUNCER IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT HISTORY AH LOVE IT MAGGLE -- I think we all knew that Cole, King and Gorilla would rank highly here, but shoutout to Coach for crashing the Top 5. He has an excellent shot at picking up his third "win" this year. -- Late-era WCW turned everything to poo poo, so of course it dragged Tony and Heenan down to its level. Both guys openly admitted that they were phoning it in at the time, and it shows. -- Watching old NWA shows, there's something almost endearing about David Crockett's terribleness. He obviously sucked but I can't bring myself to hate him for some reason. -- Matt Striker didn't get enough poo poo for single-handedly ruining Wrestle Kingdom 10. Just an aggressively terrible personality, and I'm glad New Japan kicked him to the curb. -- Mongo was always good  Up next: Best Weekly TV Show Big moment for your local access territory promotion
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On my phone right now otherwise I’d do this myself, but I’m just curious, if you were to combine the points for each announcer that appears on both lists who would be at the top? Basically if you were to say “love him or hate him, you have to respect...!” Lawler?
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Sandman McMahon posted:On my phone right now otherwise I’d do this myself, but I’m just curious, if you were to combine the points for each announcer that appears on both lists who would be at the top? Basically if you were to say “love him or hate him, you have to respect...!” It's gotta be either him or Tenay, who I'm surprised got as many "best" votes as he did
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Benne posted:It's gotta be either him or Tenay, who I'm surprised got as many "best" votes as he did he got more than Lance Russell 
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When was Lee Marshall an announcer? I only remember him from the in the road hits during Nitro.
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So still on my phone, but now I’m drinking beer while killing time. I took the top 15 from each category and here it is... THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ANNOUNCER OF ALL TIME. Not really, this isn’t exactly a perfect science, but here you nerds go: Jim Ross: 257 + 8 = 265 Michael Cole: 16 + 161 = 177 Jerry Lawler: 33 + 118 = 151 Mike Tenay: 109 + 41 = 150 Tony Schiavone: 69 + 56 = 125 Joey Styles: 77 + 23 = 100 Tazz: 47 + 50 = 97 Vince McMahon: 48 + 48 = 96 Joe Rogan: 93 + 1 = 94 JBL: 32 + 41 = 73 Matt Striker: 22 + 43 = 65 Mauro Ranallo: 53 + 9 = 62 Kevin Kelley: 44 + 11 = 55 Don West: 5 + 48 = 53 Gordon Solie: 50 + 2 = 52 Mike Goldberg: 49 + 3 = 52 Actually Good Announcers: Lance Russel: 85 Shimpei Nogami: 39 William Regal: 34 Actually Bad Announcers: Gorilla Monsoon: 86 Jonathan Coachman: 60 Todd Grisham: 60 Eric Bischoff: 46 Dusty Rhodes: 31 Also: Some and/or all of this may be terribly wrong. Feel free to PM me because I’ll definitely get right on that. EDIT: I feel like there should be more of a formula here, like maybe you had to get at least half as many points in one category relative to the other? In that case the list would look a little something like this: Tony Schiavone: 69 + 56 = 125 Tazz: 47 + 50 = 97 Vince McMahon: 48 + 48 = 96 JBL: 32 + 41 = 73 Matt Striker: 22 + 43 = 65 Ok I’m done now. Sandman from ECW fucked around with this message at 02:02 on May 23, 2018 |
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Nystral posted:When was Lee Marshall an announcer? I only remember him from the in the road hits during Nitro. IIRC he worked Thunder during the dying days Sandman McMahon posted:So still on my phone, but now I’m drinking beer while killing time. I took the top 15 from each category and here it is... THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ANNOUNCER OF ALL TIME. This is great stuff, thanks 
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I feel obligated to point out that I missed Jim Cornette. He's an Actually Good Announcer at 36 points. 
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Feels Villeneuve posted:People liked Al Snow because of SMW cred, not ECW cred, if I remember right. I think there was actually an Apter mag where he got hyped as "the best wrestler you've never seen" or something. Yep and his Wrestling school got a lot of hype.
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forkboy84 posted:He's knowledgeable about some parts of martial arts but he's really bad at knowing when submissions are "in deep". Also he introduced a lot of awful Eddie Bravo names for jiu jitsu holds to a wider audience. Hey buddy, a Vaporizer is the perfect name for that horrifyingly painful looking move
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Benne posted:IIRC he worked Thunder during the dying days He did Worldwide too.
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No negative votes for Scott Hudson makes me happy.
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Hoss Corncave posted:No negative votes for Scott Hudson makes me happy. He really sucked on Nitro in 2000 but not enough to compare to the other sucks.
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quote:Corey Graves 1 Show yourself
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Hoss Corncave posted:No negative votes for Scott Hudson makes me happy. isn't scott hudson on jim cornette's list of people he would murder on sight
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MassRafTer posted:Van Hammer was given several pushes over much better wrestlers in the early 90s. Borga and Snitsky both got pushes, Borga almost a main event push! D.N. Nation posted:Show yourself
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Smoking Crow posted:isn't scott hudson on jim cornette's list of people he would murder on sight No, that's Mark Madden--and if you had to suffer through his commentary in 2000 WCW you'd probably have him on your list too.
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Shiki Dan posted:No, that's Mark Madden--and if you had to suffer through his commentary in 2000 WCW you'd probably have him on your list too. or if you've ever listened to him talk about anything
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Literally the only memory I have of Madden is him screaming "FLY FATASS FLY!!!" whenever Bill DeMott did a moonsault.
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SNOOCHIE BOOCHIES! SNOOCHIE BOOCHIES! Yeah, he was the dirt worst.
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That there was no year ever where Madden was considered worse than Schiavone should be considered decisive proof that wrestling fans are loving morons.
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Happy Memorial Day, PSP. Let's memorialize a time when we were excited to watch wrestling on Monday nights! BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW The history of wrestling TV is pretty fascinating. In the States, it started off as essentially longform commercials, promoting the big matches at local house shows while the actual content was largely filler. This started changing in the 80s when cable and PPV became big business, and by the time we hit the Monday Night Wars wrestling TV had evolved into full-blown serialization. Today, having TV is the sign of a big-boy promotion, and as we saw from WWE's recent blockbuster deals (for better or worse), live content is all the rage these days. But which TV shows do WON voters actually like? The answers will (probably not) surprise you. FULL YEAR-BY-YEAR RESULTS https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WFTtnsYo-SrhADrGTYr-KxNWBRDKmJu3oLrrgeq2zFc/edit?usp=sharingcode:-- New Japan World Pro Wrestling is the edited, syndicated show that's been airing on TV Asahi forever. When AXS started carrying NJPW, they just used the Asahi version with English commentary dubbed over, but around 2017 it spun off into a distinctly different entity (and was clearly the show everyone voted for last year), so I made that version separate here. -- The CMLL show that racked up votes in the 90s and 00s was mostly an edited version airing in both Mexico and the US. The Friday show you see here is the full Arena Mexico show they livestream on YouTube every week (there's also Monday Puebla thrown in for good measure). -- Memphis is a weird case because they had like 80 promotions back in their heyday, but for the most part CWA (and later USWA after the merger with WCCW) is the show you think of when you think "Memphis Wrestling," with Lawler and Lance Russell and all those guys. -- WWF Superstars of Wrestling is the show you have weird nostalgia for. WWE Superstars was the D-show featuring the wrestlers you forgot were still employed. I hope that's all clear, and if it's not MRT will correct me again, but anyway. Thoughts -- Raw came much closer to winning this than I expected, but that loving show kept getting votes even in down eras. Y'all have a sick, sick habit. -- Even on WCW's death bed, during the worst of worst times, with the ship all but submerged, people were still voting for Nitro in 2000 and 2001. I almost admire the dedication. -- How bad was wrestling in 2012 that Impact ended up winning that year? -- LU came super close to beating NXT in 2015, and it's a bummer they never really capitalized on that momentum. We need more wrestling shows where Brian Cage murders Lorenzo Lamas with a power glove. -- Pour one out for Wrestling Society X, the beta LU. -- Total Divas finished higher than AJW. This is why we can't have nice things. -- I'm a bit surprised World of Sport never made the cut, but that's probably another case where the peak years predated the newsletter. Up Next: Worst Weekly TV Show Get ready to see most of these shows again! Benne fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 28, 2018 |
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Benne posted:-- How bad was wrestling in 2012 that Impact ended up winning that year? I think that was one of the times people said tna was actually good for like 3 months or something then it fell of a cliff like usual
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I think all the WWE shows split the votes that year too.
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Sad that Bryan Alvarez couldn't buy Derby City a couple votes.
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I think 2012 included the biker gang gimmick in TNA but maybe not the bad parts after the wedding? Al Snow was cool to me as a kid with no knowledge of SMW and only a little ECW history because I loved the stupid hardcore title poo poo and the Snow Plow was a legitimately cool finisher, the kind worthy of being chosen for my created wrestlers who also did a million powerbombs and frankensteiners.
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Benne posted:-- LU came super close to beating NXT in 2015 Ah, the brief but extremely good Wednesday Night Wars. I miss those days.
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Daunte Vicknabb posted:I think 2012 included the biker gang gimmick in TNA but maybe not the bad parts after the wedding?
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Stale Saltines posted:Ah, the brief but extremely good Wednesday Night Wars. I miss those days. I cant wait for Pentagon, LU needs a champion with swagger
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LU season one losing to NXT lead to both Bryan and Meltzer saying it was the wrong winner. NXT TakeOvers were great but week to week LU was the better TV show. Also that people werent allowed to vote for the Cruiserweight Classic still irritates me. Edit: oh yeah and WSX gave us a tag team of Jimmy Jacobs, then in his amazing Lacey storyline which was the debut of crowds waving their phones at him and his emo doormat gimmick, with some unknown random named Tyler Black. Lid fucked around with this message at 22:04 on May 29, 2018 |
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Lid posted:LU season one losing to NXT lead to both Bryan and Meltzer saying it was the wrong winner. NXT TakeOvers were great but week to week LU was the better TV show. Also that people werent allowed to vote for the Cruiserweight Classic still irritates me. Both are garbage next to CMLL.
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Bad news: It's been a while, I know.  Real-life job got in the way of me making time for this.Good news: I actually got a real-life job again! This project really does mean a lot to me, so I plan on seeing it through. Only got a handful of categories left, but hopefully y'all are excited for updates. And boy do I have a doozy of an update here.WORST WEEKLY TV SHOW As I mentioned before, TV is the backbone of any big-boy promotion these days. But it's not always good. In fact, some of it is quite bad, as you're about to see. Some pro wrestling feuds just don't have the mileage for a week-to-week story advancement, and the very worst of TV treats its product like an outright joke. So let's see what voters really don't like over the years. COMPLETE YEAR-BY-YEAR RESULTS https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1St5XRdcIjRbQ5YbNjvGRZXsAWHHDvXP4u3LXPgFeCvg/edit#gid=1293898995code:-- I'm as surprised as you are that Impact didn't run away with this. But Raw's consistent mediocrity, peppered with outright horribleness for long stretches (it's won the award four straight years as of this writing), ultimately gave it the nod. -- I'm also surprised that Nitro only won once, and not even in its worst years (98 was bad, but most people agree that 99 and 00 were the show's nadir). It shares sixth place with Saturday Night, which has a weirdly nostalgic charm these days (which I share, just for the record) but was plenty terrible when it wanted to be. -- Then again, as bad as Nitro was, Thunder was like "hold my beer" every single week, so there you go. -- Man, ESPN just couldn't catch a break with wrestling shows. -- There's a shitload of WWE and WCW C-shows I have zero memory of clogging up this list. If you literally sat down as a kid and watched WWF LiveWire start to finish every week, I want to know your story. -- In case you're wondering: yes, the New Japan votes are from the dark days of Inoki-ism in the early/mid 2000s. I don't think we give Tanahashi enough credit for turning that company around, it was really bleak for a while. -- Likewise, the NXT votes are from the infamous game show seasons. I hope you're not nostalgic for that. -- Herb Abrams' UWF was too beautiful for this world. Up next: Best Gimmick Surely there won't be any overlap between Best and Worst this time, right?
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Benne posted:-- There's a shitload of WWE and WCW C-shows I have zero memory of clogging up this list. If you literally sat down as a kid and watched WWF LiveWire start to finish every week, I want to know your story. quote:On the October 5, 1996 episode of LiveWire, Paul Heyman, using the alias "Bruce from Connecticut," called in to LiveWire to express his discontent with boring WWF programming and the state of the promotion.
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I really wanna know why TNA Impact was simultaneously the Best TV Show and 2nd Worst TV Show in 2012.
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I kind of feel like in a list like that, the truly worst ones are at the bottom because nobody could be bothered to even notice them enough to vote. Though I didn't know FCW even had a show in 2001. WWE was still with OVW at the time for their farm league, right?
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