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The Ninth Layer posted:"Do you think he is lying?" I cannot think of any other reason bowmore would advance a position so transparently against the interests of the guild. he claimed so early and with no pressure. and with nothing useful to provide except for possible future value
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SalTheBard posted:I was pretty loving pumped
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May 3, 2018 00:50
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bowmore posted:if we leave him alive he either dies tonight or is scum, lives, and continues to spread mis-information until he eventually gets lynched to test the claim No pressure? No votes? I was at 5. 8 were needed.
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May 3, 2018 00:51
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May 3, 2018 00:53
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May 3, 2018 00:53
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bowmore posted:if we leave him alive he either dies tonight or is scum, lives, and continues to spread mis-information until he eventually gets lynched to test the claim What are you even talking about?? This is complete nonsense. ##unvote ##vote bowmore
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May 3, 2018 00:53
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bowmore posted:if we leave him alive he either dies tonight or is scum, lives, and continues to spread mis-information until he eventually gets lynched to test the claim "You did not answer my question. Do you think he is lying?" It seems bownore wants us to vote Sal out to save the killer the effort of killing him.
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May 3, 2018 00:54
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The Ninth Layer posted:"You did not answer my question. Do you think he is lying?"
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May 3, 2018 00:55
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Asiina posted:What are you even talking about??
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May 3, 2018 00:55
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bowmore posted:nobody asked you to claim No loving poo poo. Do you think I wanted to? This is literally the last move I had. Scum are killing someone tonight and it will probably be me. Better to try to actually you know kill a scum player tonight that kill 2 townies.
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May 3, 2018 00:57
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The Ninth Layer posted:"You did not answer my question. Do you think he is lying?" Which makes 0 sense to me and it's a pretty weak rear end justification.
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May 3, 2018 00:58
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SalTheBard posted:No loving poo poo. Do you think I wanted to? This is literally the last move I had. Scum are killing someone tonight and it will probably be me. Better to try to actually you know kill a scum player tonight that kill 2 townies.
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May 3, 2018 01:00
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bowmore posted:he is possibly lying to save his own skin, there is no way to know for sure right now "Alternatively, he is telling the truth and is quite valuable to the guild. If there is no way to know for sure right now, then why not wait and gather more information over time?"
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May 3, 2018 01:00
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bowmore posted:You could have made a case on someone you thought was scum instead, plenty of time to do so Who is going to believe any case I make right now?
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May 3, 2018 01:00
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The Ninth Layer posted:"Alternatively, he is telling the truth and is quite valuable to the guild. If there is no way to know for sure right now, then why not wait and gather more information over time?" bowmore posted:if we leave him alive he either dies tonight or is scum, lives, and continues to spread mis-information until he eventually gets lynched to test the claim
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May 3, 2018 01:03
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I don't see Sal's claim as overly hasty. If there were three people needed to achieve a consensus on him it was better to do it then then wait until later." I feel suspicious thinking you are trying to push the angle that he claimed ahead of time and thus we now need to execute him.
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May 3, 2018 01:05
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SalTheBard posted:No loving poo poo. Do you think I wanted to? This is literally the last move I had. Scum are killing someone tonight and it will probably be me. Better to try to actually you know kill a scum player tonight that kill 2 townies. "Stop being so fatalistic. You are not dead yet. Stand tall and have faith in your abilities as an assassin." Besides, it is not a given that Sal will die tonight. Assassins have been known to look out for their guildmates in a tight spot before. Perhaps bownore also forgot this in his rush to declare Sal doomed?
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May 3, 2018 01:06
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The Ninth Layer posted:"Stop being so fatalistic. You are not dead yet. Stand tall and have faith in your abilities as an assassin." Haha thanks. I did think about the possibility of being saved but didn't want to mention it.
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good morning. ##unvote should obviously lurk more. The Ninth Layer posted:I find these comments suspect for several reasons. can you please tell me how my pod reads don't speak to my view on his alignment. i'm having trouble figuring out exactly what you want from my day 1 pod case - i smelled fishing, i didn't like the tone of posts, i thought he was stretching a point on aa. god you guys make me feel like the dumbest rear end in a top hat on earth sometimes.
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May 3, 2018 01:10
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I get catching up, but I think bowmore looks weird for the series of posts leading up to Sal's claim are bad, and then thisbowmore posted:if we leave him alive he either dies tonight or is scum, lives, and continues to spread mis-information until he eventually gets lynched to test the claim This type of either/or situation is bad, it misrepresents all possibilities. Rereading sal atm, but I really don't like the absenteeism followed by quick post persecution on subject with suspicion established by other players.
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May 3, 2018 01:11
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I don't get why people are so quick to jump to sals defense after claiming cop
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May 3, 2018 01:15
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bowmore posted:I don't get why people are so quick to jump to sals defense after claiming cop Because they are town and don't necessarily want to lose a power role?
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May 3, 2018 01:17
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May 3, 2018 01:19
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someone asked me re: my bad feels on sober. this is the post i was looking at. IllegallySober posted:##unvote - i don't think its a good post, which i covered. - last time i played w asiina she was town and rage quit (after significant provocation) - didn't see cckeanes post as a gotcha, just scum hunting.
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May 3, 2018 01:20
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Duck phone posting. Just deleted a big post Djdiamrksjepsjf9em
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Atomic Soda posted:good morning. "How does "booooo what a boring miller claim" speak at all to alignment, let alone convey a 'negative slant?' "Where is this fishing you keep talking about? What do you think he was fishing for? "Why are you still suspicious of him for attempting to clarify a statement you both agreed was hard to parse?" Above all, why are these same points repeated verbatim as if this case is still worth defending?
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Catching up. Monathin posted:Against my better judgement, I am trying to see where the Classic Keane ends and the Suspicious Keane begins. The first half of this was almost word-for-word my meta read on Sal given the last game we were both in together as scum. I'm not sure I had the same read on the "justify a vote" quote as you did at this point, though, ironically because of that same gut meta read. In my experience, scum Sal did everything possible to fly under the radar and the backtracking I've seen from him is the opposite of the challenging tone he took here. SalTheBard posted:Mona I really don't like this post. The reason I said something so brazen is because when asking in good faith what a person doesn't like about a post so that I can attempt to clarify I instead get stonewalled. In hoping to get an answer I posted what I posted. I don't care if you think it's scum. I asked in good faith for an argument and I got NOTHING. If you can't defend a vote don't make it. I don't think thats a harsh or brazen statement. I'm not sure I like the doubling-down here, though. Sal, you know the scum aren't required to operate in good faith, right? I'd have expected a town player to call out the lack of response or justification, but not to go all  about it. As this continues to degenerate into Keane  vs. Sal  , I'm starting to change my thought on Sal, though. I like Keane's responses to almost everything Sal says and lean solidly as town on him as a result. Sal starting to read much more strongly as scum frustrated to be caught. "Shaking in fury"...come on, dude. The Ninth Layer posted:I find these comments suspect for several reasons. Quoting this to remind me to go back and re-read AS to see if I agree with this case. I think it was an earlier post and missed it but caught BK's reply to it. SalTheBard posted:I'm a Cop At -5? For real? Screams of pulling the ripcord too early. I'm willing to listen to argument but I don't buy what I'm being sold here.
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May 3, 2018 01:23
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IllegallySober posted:At -5?
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SalTheBard posted:No pressure? No votes? I was at 5. 8 were needed. Saw this once I hit post. I think we were both wrong and you had four votes on you, bowmore's being the only other one added since Ecco posted the count, when you claimed.
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I would rather Sal had claimed when he did rather than 45 minutes before deadline after three hours of people parking their votes on him and leaving.
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IllegallySober posted:Screams of pulling the ripcord too early. I'm willing to listen to argument but I don't buy what I'm being sold here. Then vote for me. I really don't care. This is my last post because honestly I don't know why this game is effecting me the way it is. Fact 1 - I'm Town Fact 2 - I'm a Cop I've operated in good faith this whole game. ##vote Bowmore this is purely an OMGUS vote but I think it's a safe one. I wish I hadn't even posted in this thread today.
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The Ninth Layer posted:I would rather Sal had claimed when he did rather than 45 minutes before deadline after three hours of people parking their votes on him and leaving. I suppose there's some merit to this argument but I think there's a middle ground, too. In re-reading I actually was under the impression that the people with time-zone challenges who aren't going to be around for deadline were on other people, not Sal. Am I mistaken?
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May 3, 2018 01:31
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IllegallySober posted:At -5? Pretty sure he was at -3, but I could be wrong.
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SalTheBard posted:Then vote for me. I really don't care. This is my last post because honestly I don't know why this game is effecting me the way it is. If you truly are a town cop I wish you hadn't, too. You've dug a rather large hole here.
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May 3, 2018 01:31
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Monathin posted:Pretty sure he was at -3, but I could be wrong. Ah, missed you caught that, sorry.
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SalTheBard posted:Then vote for me. I really don't care. This is my last post because honestly I don't know why this game is effecting me the way it is. 
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However, I will survive this tragedy of having lost my casework and begin anew, stronger, and more confident. Ahem~! In short: I think Max and Bowmore look the worst in the persecution of Sal, whom I believe is town. They also claimed cop. Bowmore I get catching up, but I feel like Bowmore's posting accomplishes one thing... Furthering to condemn a player who already had an established case on them, albeit not one I agree with. bowmore posted:nothing has happened as far as I can tell Max posted:Lazy. Plenty has happened and is still happening. bowmore posted:not sure why max is going after me apart from being a ~lurker~ This is a strange interaction. I imagine absentee Bowmore had been prodded by Max. Bowmore comes to the thread with the same zeal they've had all game, a negligible amount. The Bowmore's next post in this game a minute later is him weighing in on Sal, and then using a meta-explanation of Asiina's play and behavior to justify him thinking Sal might be scum. However those posts, while bad, aren't what really set me off about Bowmore... It is this: bowmore posted:if we leave him alive he either dies tonight or is scum, lives, and continues to spread mis-information until he eventually gets lynched to test the claim "he either dies tonight or is scum" This type of binary misrepresentation of the night's outcome limits the actual possibilities of what could occur. I don't like it because it creates a false-narrative based on not even setup speculation, just nothing. ##unvote ##vote bowmore
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Quoting Vitefinder on mobile is breaking the gently caress out of my phone for some reason but this is what I see:EccoRaven posted:here is a robot's interpretation of the votecount, let's see if it is accurate! bowmore posted:##vote Sal SalTheBard posted:I'm a Cop
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The Ninth Layer posted:"How does "booooo what a boring miller claim" speak at all to alignment, let alone convey a 'negative slant?' - cause yami is a new player, and it felt like a negative comment for an action i thought was a good one. - i think he might have been fishing for cops, i thought this was the most obvious bit. - maybe cause i think highly of pod, but also because it felt a little bit like a 'throw something to the wind and see if it sticks". - i keep getting asked/cased about, plus these are my reasons. i have obviously picked up that you and others think they are rubbish, sorry.
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IllegallySober posted:I suppose there's some merit to this argument but I think there's a middle ground, too. In re-reading I actually was under the impression that the people with time-zone challenges who aren't going to be around for deadline were on other people, not Sal. Am I mistaken? "Perhaps Sal could have afforded to wait longer." But at four votes as vote leader, probably not too much longer.
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