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Volcott posted:It's not a child. It can't think, or feel. It's meat. Hardly, babies have ridiculous levels of body fat, like 20-25%. it's pathetic.
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Kazak posted:Hardly, babies have ridiculous levels of body fat, like 20-25%. it's pathetic. Oh I didn't know it was a fatty. gently caress that then let the fat nazi die
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Apr 24, 2018 13:11
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the previous zombaby was more interesting to look at since it was missing a large part of its skull
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I feel sorry for the parents but dear God as a citizen of the UK im bored as hell of brain dead kids being in the news nonstop
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hemale in pain posted:I feel sorry for the parents but dear God as a citizen of the UK im bored as hell of brain dead kids being in the news nonstop too easy
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Apr 24, 2018 14:06
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hemale in pain posted:I feel sorry for the parents but dear God as a citizen of the UK im bored as hell of brain dead kids being in the news nonstop Trump Joke
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Apr 24, 2018 14:22
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The alternative is brexit with a bunch of brain dead adults If only brass eye did a brain dead baby episode, but even then I think they would have decided it wasnt likely to come up as an issue
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Furia posted:The NHS is a publicly funded institution with the explicit objective of serving the public for free (to a certain extent, I understand). Unfortunately the parents are members of the public, and since the ethics and legal status of personhood is a still a topic of debate, so too is the child until a legal agreement is reached. What exactly constitutes death is something we cant agree on yet. Wrong, this poo poo happens all the time, it just generally doesn't make the news because most people manage to handle the situation with a modicum of restraint and dignity and don't whip up a legit mob to lay siege to a hospital Assault on Precinct 13 style while hollering for the Pope to batman his way into the hospital and spirit the kid away to his new life as a noisy and expensive pot plant in some darkened corner of the Vatican. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gard_case https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/29/ten-cases-like-charlie-gards-heard-english-courts-this-year
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Apr 24, 2018 14:46
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the baby was off life support and was allegedly breathing fine by himself so the parents and the 'army' were all like "See? He is alive! He can make it!" a few minutes ago the parents put in an emergency appeal to have the life support put back in because it turns out their baby is actually dead
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Quote-Unquote posted:the baby was off life support and was allegedly breathing fine by himself so the parents and the 'army' were all like "See? He is alive! He can make it!" this is the best dead baby joke yet
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Gavrilo Princip posted:Wrong, this poo poo happens all the time, it just generally doesn't make the news because most people manage to handle the situation with a modicum of restraint and dignity and don't whip up a legit mob to lay siege to a hospital Assault on Precinct 13 style while hollering for the Pope to batman his way into the hospital and spirit the kid away to his new life as a noisy and expensive pot plant in some darkened corner of the Vatican. Fair enough, but that in itself creates a whole new set of circumstances
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KomodoWagon posted:this is the best dead baby joke yet it is not a joke friend it is literally what is happening in the uk right now oh wait, lol, yes i see your point.
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This is what I don't get, the parents saying the doctors were wrong to turn off the ventilator because the baby can breathe on it's own.
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hemale in pain posted:I feel sorry for the parents but dear God as a citizen of the UK im bored as hell of brain dead kids being in the news nonstop That's no way to talk about your foreign secretary!
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imo the worst part about this is that the parents will never ever accept responsibility for what they've incited and the time (both theirs and everyone else's) that they have wasted, they're too wrapped up in their grief. They will forever go on saying it was a real shame their dead baby couldn't be brought back to life like The Mummy and it's all the fault of medical science for not trying hard enough or not being advanced enough. edit: Nothing anyone can say to them will get them to understand that actually it's nobody's fault and nothing could ever have been done about it, because that's a real tough pill to swallow when you have convinced yourself that maybe letting your dead baby grow up into a dead adult will magically bring back its houdini-vanished brain. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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So they want to take him to Rome, where he'll get 'more care'. But the poor kid's brain has literally rotted away, has anyone told them you can't grow a new brain? It's desperately sad and I hope they can let go and start to grieve. To be honest it's pretty ghoulish that the Italian hospital is even giving them the false hope that anything can be done.
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Bardeh posted:So they want to take him to Rome, where he'll get 'more care'. But the poor kid's brain has literally rotted away, has anyone told them you can't grow a new brain? It's desperately sad and I hope they can let go and start to grieve. To be honest it's pretty ghoulish that the Italian hospital is even giving them the false hope that anything can be done. The Italian Hospital has been pretty explicit that it'd just be life support forever and that the condition is irreversible. Basically the hospital is operating on every life is sacred philosophy and is prepared to keep him alive as a vegetable forever. The people in the UK are deliberately misconstruing this as the Italian hospital offering treatment to try and rile up poo poo.
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Bardeh posted:So they want to take him to Rome, where he'll get 'more care'. But the poor kid's brain has literally rotted away, has anyone told them you can't grow a new brain? It's desperately sad and I hope they can let go and start to grieve. To be honest it's pretty ghoulish that the Italian hospital is even giving them the false hope that anything can be done. The real kicker comes when they find out the only way to save their baby's brain is with... stem cells.
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I can't even imagine how much it would cost to fly a toddler that requires a room full of machinery to breathe from the UK to Italy. I would imagine the NHS system draws a line at that.
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fishing with the fam posted:I can't even imagine how much it would cost to fly a toddler that requires a room full of machinery to breathe from the UK to Italy. I would imagine the NHS system draws a line at that. The NHS also draws the line at causing unnecessary suffering to an innocent child in order to prolong it's non-life I hear in the US they call this DEATH PANELS, which sounds way more metal than it really is.
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Quote-Unquote posted:the baby was off life support and was allegedly breathing fine by himself so the parents and the 'army' were all like "See? He is alive! He can make it!" So is the kid dead for reals now?
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:So is the kid dead for reals now? No, they put him back on life support because they got a new last-minute High Court hearing
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Bardeh posted:So they want to take him to Rome, where he'll get 'more care'. But the poor kid's brain has literally rotted away, has anyone told them you can't grow a new brain? It's desperately sad and I hope they can let go and start to grieve. To be honest it's pretty ghoulish that the Italian hospital is even giving them the false hope that anything can be done. Duh brain transplant
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mind the walrus posted:Look these losers found themselves on a gravy train made from their infant son's inert gray matter. They're gonna ride it ten times longer than the kid's lifespan. hell, Maddie McCann's parents will be riding that gravy train for life, and these parents won't even have to kill their kid themselves Grillfiend fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Jel Shaker posted:Duh brain transplant Oh poo poo, wasn't the doctor who was gonna do that head transplant Italian? They're gonna put that Russian dude's head on the baby aren't they
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Bardeh posted:No, they put him back on life support because they got a new last-minute High Court hearing But I thought he was breathing on his own or some poo poo
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:So is the kid dead for reals now? He's not dead dead The parents are trying another appeal to fly him to Rome where he will be kept on life support indefinitely
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Furia posted:Fair enough, but that in itself creates a whole new set of circumstances Which are pretty satisfactorily addressed by the notion that children aren't property and that in cases where parental wishes and welfare concerns collide, welfare wins out every time. I seriously doubt the kid is actually capable of suffering given the extent of the damage but if he has even borderline brain function left his existence is likely an Event-Horizon level hellscape and the only moral thing to do is allow nature to take its extremely inevitable course. It's why the absolute latest appeal to take him to Rome is likely to fail, because this isn't and never has been about cost and everything to do with it not only being futile but actively inhumane to sustain "life". Nature's gnarliest trick is handing off autonomic stuff like heartbeat and breathing to the brain stem which tends to be comparatively resilient to conditions that wipe out the actual thinkmeats and subsequently tricks rubes into thinking that because all the ultra-basic bodily poo poo works he's going to wake up some day and play some catch with dad when he's not even going to get to the extremely fundamental poo poo like "swallowing", "moving" or "maintaining blood vessel tone". poo poo, apparently he even has saccades which make his parents think he's looking at them. Edit: To be clear, if they somehow manage to finagle moving him to Rome and keeping him on life support, a bunch of people are going to claim that it's somehow "life affirming" when it's the exact opposite, the kid literally doesn't feel and to all intents and purposes can't possibly care since the difference between "alive" and "dead" in his case is more matter of legal status than of actual will or understanding, however limited. Gavrilo Princip fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Jeez just let them have the baby I guess. Doesn't sound like it would "survive" long enough to make it back to the hospital. Going to have to say to whoever suggested giving its organs to needy actual babies to reconsider that one though lol. Remember this former baby has an unknown disease that ate 80% of its brain but left just enough to appear alive ...
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:But I thought he was breathing on his own or some poo poo He was for a bit but then had to be put back on life support. Now he's staying on life support until this appeal to fly him thousands of miles to a place where he can remain on life support forever
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1gnoirents posted:Jeez just let them have the baby I guess. Doesn't sound like it would "survive" long enough to make it back to the hospital. Yes but he'll be in immense suffering for no reason other than the parents have fewer brain cells than their son that is missing 80% of his brain.
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Furia posted:The NHS is a publicly funded institution with the explicit objective of serving the public for free (to a certain extent, I understand). Unfortunately the parents are members of the public, and since the ethics and legal status of personhood is a still a topic of debate, so too is the child until a legal agreement is reached. What exactly constitutes death is something we can’t agree on yet. Doctors have a duty of care, and unlike the US parents cannot refuse treatment for a child because of dumb rear end beliefs that vaccines are evil or whatever. There's plenty of legal precedent supporting that basically if the government equates what the parents want to do as basically child abuse (even via negligence) the government will just tell the doctors to do whatever they think is best. The baby's brain has literally disintegrated, it's got just enough brain to be a living being but only supported by modern machinery making it live. The doctors say the baby has a 0% chance of living any sort of life worth living, and there's no chance this crazy American based treatment will ever work. Keeping the child alive with like only 5% of its brain left or whatever through the use of machinery isn't just expensive it's cruel.
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For an example of just how hosed this situation can get, I invite you to read the following: https://hods.org/pdf/Long%20Survival%20Following%20Baterial%20Meningits-Associated%20Brain%20Destruction1.pdf quote:ABSTRACT
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Quote-Unquote posted:Yes but he'll be in immense suffering for no reason other than the parents have fewer brain cells than their son that is missing 80% of his brain. I mean for all we know the baby is currently experiencing an endless loop of pain and "knows" nothing else. Of course its likely experiencing nothing at all because its missing its brain... but in either case it still sounds like the best option is to let the baby pass.
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Gavrilo Princip posted:For an example of just how hosed this situation can get, I invite you to read the following: 4,000 years must take a wee bit of toll on the brain
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1gnoirents posted:I mean for all we know the baby is currently experiencing an endless loop of pain and "knows" nothing else. Of course its likely experiencing nothing at all because its missing its brain... but in either case it still sounds like the best option is to let the baby pass. Yeah that's what the NHS is trying to do, rather than paying enormous amounts of money to keep his lungs expanding and collapsing and having the parents fly to Rome where his lungs will continue expanding and collapsing and sending the bill to the UK
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I'm sure the RC church has enough money to offer to pay for the trip to pump the nonfunctioning brain full of stem cells or whatever they're going to try. Maybe they can pay for it?
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I hope that I father a child whose brain eats itself so that Italy offers my family lifetime citizenship. It would be so romantic to live there
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:I'm sure the RC church has enough money to offer to pay for the trip to pump the nonfunctioning brain full of stem cells or whatever they're going to try. Maybe they can pay for it? lol the RC church wouldn't do anything, especially not if there was some radical treatment involving stem cells. The parents want to fly the baby to Rome literally so he can stay on life support, that's all. The hospital he's going to has already said that there is no treatment but they'll keep him 'alive'.
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