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Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

It's just that it usually takes until season 5 for a show to vet this far off track. I mean misfits season 3 definitely wasn'tnt great but I still d enjoyed watching it.

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Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

You don't belong in this world!

Zane posted:

the book is creatively successful for its individual, psychological, portrait, rather than its comprehensive historico-social mapping, of a hypothetical totalitarian society. it is only successful--and only attempts to be successful--on this basis. the substance of the narrative drama turns upon the very limited information it provides to both the reader and the protagonist. this creates a deliberately claustrophobic psychological environment. offred has to contend with a world of constant and universal suspicion; she has to perceive, interpret, and utilize small events, and small pieces of information, in order to understand her situation and to survive. the relationship between offred and the commander--the mystery of the commander's intent, the opacity of certain gestures--is endlessly exploited and takes most of the book to unfold. it is never actually revealed why the commander gives offred special favours. the mystery of the characters to each other gets efficiently at one of the deeper psychological truths of a totalitarian society: which is that you never know if the person next to you could be your greatest friend or your greatest enemy in the world.

in the hands of a skilled director and writing room the tv show could reproduce this very deliberate dramatic approach in a slow and very 'minimalist' way. it wouldn't have to invent a sketchily plausible totalitarian society because it wouldn't have to trouble itself with the larger picture. it could make a big deal out of small events and conversations. but the showrunners are not very skilled and have instead fallen into the style and plotting of a more or less bog standard television procedural. the plot and the characters have run quickly out of road; the themes are confused (should we feel sympathy for the commander's wife? is gilead a plausible, even justifiable, response to an apocalyptic situation?); and things will only get sloppier from here.

I still got a lot of this in season 1, despite waiting on reading the book until after it aired.

Season 2 didn't really throw this out entirely until the last episode, where I'm with you entirely.

u brexit ukip it
Oct 30, 2004


Toilet Rascal

I rewatched Escape from L.A. and the intro is now canon in my mind with the foundation of Gilead: fundie Presidential candidate predicts the destruction of LA in the far future of the year 2000, this happens, President gets a lifetime term of office, National Police Force founded to keep the ruins LA separate from the mainland and to serve as a prison for various undesirables.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISMR-Wl_73I#t=120s
(skip to 2mins if needed)

Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


Just wrapped up season 2.

It was just really, really great. The only things that don't really work are the first escape (which would've been fine if the season didn't end the way it did and make it entirely redundant) and the colonies (which were just there to show us them and a lot was lost when both Emily and Janine made it back fine).

I really liked what they did with Serena too. It took a long time to get there but it felt earned.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

Hoo boy.

dirksteadfast
Oct 10, 2010


Steve2911 posted:

Just wrapped up season 2.

It was just really, really great. The only things that don't really work are the first escape (which would've been fine if the season didn't end the way it did and make it entirely redundant) and the colonies (which were just there to show us them and a lot was lost when both Emily and Janine made it back fine).

I really liked what they did with Serena too. It took a long time to get there but it felt earned.

Those two are perfect examples of how the show lacks the needed imagination to really go to good places. Every time they tried a new idea it was quickly swept away to reinstate the status quo. They had a hit on their hands and wanted to keep the train rolling, but without anything new from the source material they just spun their wheels for a while season hoping to buy some time to write something.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Wait, are you saying they wrote a season of TV to buy themselves time to write a season of TV?

dirksteadfast
Oct 10, 2010


I never claimed to be very smart.

The Ninth Layer
Jun 19, 2007



The show is about June and the Waterfords and their hosed up relationships and once I came to accept that I enjoyed what I was watching a lot more.

Pingiivi
Mar 26, 2010

Straight into the iris!


The Ninth Layer posted:

The show is about June staring at the camera.

Fixed that.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005

~~~~~~K.I.D.S.~~~~~~

CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK!



As I read these posts my stare is slowly turning into a sinister smile and as I walk towards the camera a Joan Jett song starts playing.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.


veni veni veni posted:

As I read these posts my stare is slowly turning into a sinister smile and as I walk towards the camera a Joan Jett song starts playing.

wow, all the surprise sex and abuse that she endured was actually feminist the whole time

Evernoob
Jun 21, 2012


My favorite episode, by far, was the Canada episode. I wan't to see more of the international diplomacy stuff.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

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Iím finally finishing off this season and the ďI thought it would be something to make Gilead go boomĒ line was so loving bad oh my god

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think


Fallen Rib

So I just got done with the episode in season 2 where june meets Hannah.

Did nick get shot? There was some gunfire but no idea wtf happened. Yeah it will
Probably just resolve itself next episode, but just curious.

Also-I havenít read much of this thread but it seems like this loving show just drags on and on. Yep I get it-Gilead loving sucks and needs to be brought down.

Somehow I donít think thatís going to happen this season or next season.

Edit: gently caress it, I hate the pacing of this show so much and the plot holes that I decided to spoil the ending. gently caress this show.

nwin fucked around with this message at Aug 27, 2018 around 01:12

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


I'm legit interested in next season only if it leans hard into the hammy "June for Junedetta" thing and it would very much appear that's where they're going so I'm all in.

I wanna see June walking down the streets of Gilead with an AK-47 slung over one arm and a cigarette dangling like some kinda Punisher In Red.

jerry seinfel
Jun 25, 2007



June Wick

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die

Grimey Drawer

precision posted:

I'm legit interested in next season only if it leans hard into the hammy "June for Junedetta" thing and it would very much appear that's where they're going so I'm all in.

I wanna see June walking down the streets of Gilead with an AK-47 slung over one arm and a cigarette dangling like some kinda Punisher In Red.

I was thinking about it, and I'm not as sure now as I was at the end of the season that this is going to happen. It seems ridiculous for June to be able to go back, but Serena played a part in getting the baby free, so she'd support whatever crazy bullshit June told the authorities. New commander guy insists on her as his new handmaid, and we're back to June passively hanging out in Gilead for a new season.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


PostNouveau posted:

I was thinking about it, and I'm not as sure now as I was at the end of the season that this is going to happen. It seems ridiculous for June to be able to go back, but Serena played a part in getting the baby free, so she'd support whatever crazy bullshit June told the authorities. New commander guy insists on her as his new handmaid, and we're back to June passively hanging out in Gilead for a new season.

That's possible. I do think it's a sure thing that the new Commander will be a main character because why the hell else would they get someone so well known for one episode?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

It's a little bitty place.

...Okay, I'll just wipe it off, that's all. Just a little town.

They're never getting off the island.

jerry seinfel
Jun 25, 2007



Season 3, june escapes
Season 4, we gotta go back to gilead

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less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll


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