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I would be bummed if Lydia was anything but a school teacher. Part of what makes me cringe about the show is that there are real women, and men, like Lydia who work in schools right now. Crow Jane posted:Do we know why the environment is the way it is? Like was there a nuclear event (seems like someone would've mentioned it by now if so) or is it more a pollution/climate change thing? But the TV show is more of an alternate reality, so it would be nice if they explained what exactly happened.
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Kanine posted:tbh the scenes with serena getting yelled off stage and shot lmao really drip with the whole condescending liberal "the nazis have free speech so u have 2 respect them and let them have a platform" bullshit that gets minorities killed. In Serena's mind, June is being a bitch to her because she pretended to be her friend but just wanted to get something out of her. In June's mind, Serena is literally her slave owner who holds her down when her husband rapes her, pimped her out to someone else, has physically assaulted her, threatened her one child, and is planning to kidnap her unborn child and raise her as her own. Also Serena is not only complicit but responsible for the murder, torture, and rape of thousands of people. It's a dynamic that plays out during the protests. She is asking for the subjugation of women and she gets called a oval office. In her mind the person calling her a oval office is unreasonable. The episode also challenges the audience because yeah, the [spoilershooting[/spoiler] is designed to have you empathize with these assholes on a very base level but the explosion at the end is celebratory. Why do we only feel just in celebrating violence when the assholes actually follow through with their plans? I think it's an episode about false equivalencies.
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I am worried that Serena's fate is her becoming a handmaid since she is most likely fertile. It would be an interesting plot, but as much as I want Serena to die, being ritualistically raped as comeuppance is gross. succ posted:It seemed like a setup to me? Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jun 21, 2018 |
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precision posted:Even if she were fertile, she wouldn't become a Handmaid. Wives who are fertile just have normal marriages, as we saw with the Prole family and in this episode they talked about how that one Commander was lucky to have a fertile wife so they didn't have a Handmaid. I guess the conversation with the American operative made me think she was at least potentially fertile? I suppose I misinterpreted the scene.
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Counterpoint: I was cheering from the Lydia attack on and I'm all set for June as Batman.
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Legitimately, I think the hate for the finale is baffling. The series has constantly dealt with June feeling guilty about the prospect of leaving without her daughter. Her seeing a chance to save Hannah without risking the life of her other child makes a lot of sense and has been telegraphed for a while. It's what makes sense for the character.
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Tiggum posted:This is the third time she's tried to escape only to end up going back for one reason or another. Every time something has happened this season that could have moved the story in an interesting direction it just got dragged straight back to the status quo. We started with June nearly escaping and getting caught at the last minute and ended with June nearly escaping and turning back at the last minute and in between we had June nearly escape but turn back and get caught. There is a clear narrative cause and effect on the show. Nevermind more subtle changes that we see throughout the show like how Aunt Lydia increasingly calls her girls by their real names. I think this season did a good job of showing how revolution happens through tiny little cracks that build up over time. It's telegraphed when June is at the newspaper building at the beginning of the season. Just like Gilead snuck up on her at the start of the season, the slow breaking down of Gillead is almost imperecievable until one day everything's on fire. It feels like people are just applying these weird storytelling goal posts that I find frankly weird. Yeah, June didn't escape and has to spend the whole season with the guilt with that she was at one point willing to abandon Hannah which culminated in the finale. If the show is not for you fine. But claims that the ending are nonsensical is bizarre.
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veni veni veni posted:If June had hopped on the truck she would at least have an opportunity to try and figure out how to get her daughter back, amongst allies in a non hostile environment, with an existing network of people that want to help her in Gilead. Instead she'll go back to Gilead with everyone waiting to hang her from the wall. She trivialized the efforts of dozens of people that risked themselves to coordinate an escape for her. Nick is probably a dead man. All for what, so she can dramatically walk off with no plan?
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Yeah. I think as much as Handmaid's Tale is labeled as torture porn, June has done incredible stuff. She has staged a somewhat successful protest which saved her friend's life, was able to inspire another friend to escape, temporarily was helping draft legislative efforts to curb executions and overly zealous policing, successfully created circumstances to get her friend to be reunited with her infant child which led the infant to not die, initiated a whisper campaign to get the handmaids to share their real names, successfully convinced the woman who helped rape her to stage a minor revolt and later help her infant daughter escape, and took part in a secret mission to get out letters from handmaids which successfully destroyed any diplomacy between Gilead and Canada. On top of this, she has twice been able to nearly escape due to a vast network of spies and rebels. She has seen her main tormentor, Aunt Lydia, slowly show her cracks and biases. The ending reveals a man of some importance in Gilead to actually be working with the rebellion. If we want to be realistic, even if June is shot in the head in the first episode of the next season, she would still be an incredibly successful woman who has a really strong understanding of just how vulnerable Gilead is. Why wouldn't she think her odds of saving Hannah are pretty good?
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It's also worth noting that that a lot of people of color were probably persecuted on religious lines as we see with the Muslim family. I can't remember how Catholics are treated in Gilead although I feel like I remember a priest being hung on the wall? But if they're being persecuted then so would a huge amount latinx folk.
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