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TMMadman posted:Ok, president first, chancellor second. Everything is from memory, but it should be right. RF and AA were the no's on the Byers/KB docket. Think Cap was a no on anything you were up for. That's all I remember off hand.
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King Burgundy posted:I think it is important to put him back into power. He 100% will get a liberal card next pull. There is no way around it. So the chancellor is for sure getting at least 1 L. If TMM is a liberal, he'll be getting 2. If TMM is a fascist, he'll be getting only 1. So our Chancellor choice is super important. Or am I missing something?
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May 23, 2018 20:13
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i still stand by my plan ofkumba posted:if you think i'm hitler, shoot me
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May 23, 2018 20:17
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Can you re-explain your logic, kumba? If you get shot and don't flip Hitler, who does that soft confirm?
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May 23, 2018 20:19
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PMush Perfect posted:I think I follow your reasoning here RE: a Byers confirmation either way, but there's still the possibility that Byers draws LFF, isn't there? And if he's Hitler, he can windmill slam two Fs and go against any vetos, then he can shoot whoever he wants this AND next time. So he shoots whoever this time, shoots me next time, and Presidency passes to either Andy or you? And with both you and Andy on the possibly Fascist list, that essentially locks us into "gotta trust someone locked out or rely on a topdeck"? It'd be especially easy to justify shooting me since I'm a prime Hitler suspect. If he does that then he completely burns himself up to force the game to get to a 4/4 liberal/fascist split with 5F4L policies on the board and a new 8 card deck that has 6F2L in it. I mean I guess that is worth it but it seems like a stretch.
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May 23, 2018 20:20
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PMush Perfect posted:I think I follow your reasoning here RE: a Byers confirmation either way, but there's still the possibility that Byers draws LFF, isn't there? And if he's Hitler, he can windmill slam two Fs and go against any vetos, then he can shoot whoever he wants this AND next time. So he shoots whoever this time, shoots me next time, and Presidency passes to either Andy or you? And with both you and Andy on the possibly Fascist list, that essentially locks us into "gotta trust someone locked out or rely on a topdeck"? It'd be especially easy to justify shooting me since I'm a prime Hitler suspect. Well, you are missing a few things. A) Byers can't shoot anyone this time and still be elected president. He has to listen to who we want this round, and if he does RF, that is one Fascist gone, so we are in decent shape. B) If he's Hitler, he can absolutely, NEXT round, shoot whoever he wants, but if he does that, then we will KNOW that he is a fascist. That actually helps clear someone TMM, for example. Now, he could shoot TMM, but if we got RF the previous round, at least there is still parity. Also, we have firm confirmation of another fascist which helps clear up others as liberals. C) I am not a possible Fascist. It's true I was in conflict with RF because I investigated him as Fascist and he claims to not be. But pretty much everyone agrees I'm a probable liberal AND I have an investigation confirmation from Cpig. If I'm a fascist, Cpig has to 100% be a fascist as well. The only scenario that anyone could posit that made this make sense was if I was Hitler. And we have confirmation I'm not.
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May 23, 2018 20:23
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TMMadman posted:If he does that then he completely burns himself up to force the game to get to a 4/4 liberal/fascist split with 5F4L policies on the board and a new 8 card deck that has 6F2L in it.
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May 23, 2018 20:23
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that soft confirms TMM i think? unless you think i'm a regular fash, you'd know i was telling the truth about what i discarded and passed to TMM, who then enacted an L
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May 23, 2018 20:24
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King Burgundy posted:Well, you are missing a few things. Byers shoots anyone. We pass his next government. Then we are guaranteed to get either you or me as President. Hell, gently caress it. If I get shot, still pass Byers and then KB is president and we're in good shape for KB picking a townie chancellor and winning.
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May 23, 2018 20:26
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Or if you think that the deck really is FLL, pass Byers and then either I or KB are forced to pass an L, and if try to nominate someone who's either Fascist or Hitler, veto. Either way, as long as one of KB or I lives, we win, but that's only possible if we don't let Byers take two shots. Basically no matter what the situation, if either KB or I get shot, please loving please do not give Byers another one.
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May 23, 2018 20:29
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Another thought: If TMM is the fascist of the Byers/TMM pairing, then Kumba is not hitler. No way no how. Otherwise TMM wouldn't have tried to hard to get him investigated. So if Byers does something crazy that outs him as the for sure fascist in that pairing, we learn that Kumba is liberal 100%.
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May 23, 2018 20:33
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King Burgundy posted:Another thought: Er, no. I thought this through really badly. If Byers clears TMM, it doesn't clear Kumba. It's only if we think Byers is the liberal in the pairing that Kumba is cleared. Nevermind me.
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May 23, 2018 20:34
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And absolute worst case scenario with Hitler Byers and neither KB or, a triple veto puts us on a 1/3 to win on raw topdeck, which is still better odds than a Fascist president with a 6F2L deck.
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May 23, 2018 20:36
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Mafia edit: Neither KB or I as president.
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May 23, 2018 20:36
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Here is my absolute hell scenario: Byers is president twice, shoots two Liberals, then we're 4/4 with a 6F2L deck. But that can only happen if we let Byers shoot twice.
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May 23, 2018 20:39
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Also KB, do you think there is anyway both me and Byers are fascist? Remember, if I'm the next chancellor for Byers then I will have seen 7 of the 12 cards in the deck and Byers will have seen 8 of 12. We will have both seen 4 of the same cards. If there's a conflict then it will absolutely require Byers to say he passed 1L1F.
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May 23, 2018 20:42
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Yeah, I really need to know Byers alignment for a lot of this analysis. So we'll see who he shoots. If he shoots RF, then I'm good to elect him to help confirm alignments further. But really need to pick a chancellor that will help provide further clarification. Can't be TMM. We need a different set of eyes on these last cards. Ideally it would be someone we don't think is partners with TMM if he's fascist. I think this is where I was going with my Kumba thoughts. If TMM is fascist, then Kumba is not. So if both TMM and Kumba say Byers is lying after this next presidency, it would prove Byers is the liar.
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May 23, 2018 20:42
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TMMadman posted:Also KB, do you think there is anyway both me and Byers are fascist? No, doesn't seem especially likely. We already know 2 of the fascists are outside you two. Your play doesn't make a ton of sense for me if you are the other two. But as I said, leaving it to just you two just makes it a 2 person he said/she said. Who do we believe of you two if it is just you two? We need another party involved. Then it is Byers word vs both your word and the third persons word. If there is a conflict.
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May 23, 2018 20:44
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If Byers IS Lib, can't he elect KB? I'm willing to call KB soft confirmed if I'm understanding everything right. His term limit restriction will be gone and we know he's not Hitler.
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May 23, 2018 20:45
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PMush Perfect posted:If Byers IS Lib, can't he elect KB? I'm willing to call KB soft confirmed if I'm understanding everything right. His term limit restriction will be gone and we know he's not Hitler. I'm term limited. I was just chancellor with him on this presidency.
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May 23, 2018 20:46
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King Burgundy posted:Yeah, I really need to know Byers alignment for a lot of this analysis. I feel like electing kumba as chancellor is the same thing as electing me since the three people who have had most of the power this deck have been me/ kumba/Byers. And I'm still concerned that kumba is Hitler.
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May 23, 2018 20:46
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TMMadman posted:I feel like electing kumba as chancellor is the same thing as electing me since the three people who have had most of the power this deck have been me/ kumba/Byers. This is fairish. It is just extremely unlikely that kumba drew 2L on that first draw right? I'm willing to consider someone else. Kumba was just an obvious choice because you can't be fascists together. That makes for an extremely valuable sanity check. I'm a bit concerned that you don't seem to be seeing my logic about needing the third party though. This should be super obvious. Think it through.
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May 23, 2018 20:48
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King Burgundy posted:I'm term limited. I was just chancellor with him on this presidency.  Okay, okay. As long as both I and KB aren't dead, KB can win us the game as pres with a good chancellor choice. We can talk more as long as I live but if I die, pass up Byers and let President King win us the game.
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May 23, 2018 20:56
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King Burgundy posted:This is fairish. It is just extremely unlikely that kumba drew 2L on that first draw right? No I see it but because I KNOW I'm a liberal, it turns that situation into me wondering about 2 people instead of absolutely knowing about 1.
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May 23, 2018 20:57
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I'd go for Cpig as chancellor I guess. I'm not 100% on him, but the fact that he confirmed me as Liberal helps his status in my eyes. And AA has been all over the place in his views which lowers his status. I also still think there is like 0% chance that a Hitler Cpig caused that conflict with AA by lying about cards. So electing him won't end the game like it would if we choose wrongly with Kumba/DB/or the like.
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May 23, 2018 20:58
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TMMadman posted:No I see it but because I KNOW I'm a liberal, it turns that situation into me wondering about 2 people instead of absolutely knowing about 1. Hmmm, no, I don't think so. If you know you are liberal and know you didn't ditch a card, then you should be expecting Byers to draw two L cards this next go, right? So then if Byers said he only got 1L, you should already know he's lying, for sure. And him getting 1L is the only way we don't pass a liberal policy for sure, right? Since if he gets 2L, he'll pass them both if he's liberal. You should know emphatically the alignment of 2 players rather than just 1, after this next election if we elect someone with him that isn't you.
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May 23, 2018 21:00
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King Burgundy posted:I'd go for Cpig as chancellor I guess. I've been all over the place because nothing is confirmed. Look, Pig is bad. And Mush's play lately has been worse. Mush literally cannot be reading the thread. How do you not understand that Pig and I were opposed??? They hedge on me as maybe Fascist, but Pig in the fascist camp, is that not suspicious to anyone else???
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May 23, 2018 21:21
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I've been all over the place because nothing is confirmed. Look, Pig is bad. Honestly? I'm starting to think maybe I was wrong on Pmush. This feels like a lot of effort to go to, to pretend to be wrong on various things over and over. Surely any fascist player, even Hitler, wouldn't play like this? I know I have to be wrong on one of Pmush/Cap, if one of TMM/Byers ends up being a fascist. Right now I'm leaning towards Pmush as the one I was wrong about.
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May 23, 2018 21:26
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I even shave with Hanlon's Razor. 
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May 24, 2018 00:31
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CapnAndy posted:What does it do to the numbers if you shoot a liberal, though? [/quote] Actually, your right, removing a liberal would mean they only need to flip one. Also, I'm not going to throw out two names, shoot one and nominate the other. My shoot and nominate possibilities have zero overlap.
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May 24, 2018 02:40
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PMush Perfect posted:Look, just shoot whoever said buried an F who you think is most likely to be Hitler. That's more info to go on if you're wrong. And if you're right, great, we win. So, I'm shooting RF or PMush...
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May 24, 2018 02:41
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Something needs to happen, until it does I proclaim this to be the national anthem of Germany. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqBNfc3jpE
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May 24, 2018 02:44
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TMMadman posted:No it doesn't since a regular fascist DB would have also discarded 1L if he drew 2L1F and then lied about it. I don't think she wants DB dead so much as she wants the kill pointed away from her. Remember, the only thing she contributed to this game was a chain investigation that would, coincidently, keep the investigation away from her. And when we talked about investigating her or me prior to a nomination, she went radio silent despite campaigning for the nomination prior to that.
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May 24, 2018 02:45
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King Burgundy posted:TMM, fyi, still want an answer/some thought on this too. Just FYI, I don't want TMM as Chancellor in my next government.
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May 24, 2018 02:48
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Ok, caught up. ##kill RF Still see PMush as top Hitler choice, but not certain enough to pull that trigger.
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May 24, 2018 16:23
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lol
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May 24, 2018 16:26
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Retro Futurist was not Hitler. May he rest in peace. Fall 1932 Game status: 3 cards in the policy deck 6 cards in the discard pile 4 Fascist policies passed 4 Liberal policies passed Presidency order: Byers2142 PMush Perfect CapnAndy King Burgundy CapitalistPig Dick Bastardly kumba Anomalous Amalgam TMMadman Previous administration was Byers2142 and King Burgundy Nomination deadline: 27tt May, 16:00 GMT.
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May 24, 2018 16:30
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Lol
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IMO, the only legit choices for chancellor are me and, surprisingly, probably one of either CapnAndy or PMush. I might be able to get behind a DB nom, but I'm wary about it. Here's my problem, I just can't trust that a Hitler Byers didn't pass a fascist KB a choice which would also make CPig a fascist. Or a regular fascist Byers didn't force a fascist policy on a liberal KB which would leave CPig up in the air. I am terrified that kumba is Hitler. I don't know if that's a fear shared by others. I'm a little worried that DB could be Hitler, but I still think he's probably the most likely to be liberal right now. I can't trust AA. I mean I can't really trust PMush or Capn either, but I think I'm more willing to give one of them a chance than I am to give one to AA
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