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Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

DAAAAAMN!
Put your glasses back on.


Propaganda Machine posted:

I'm watching KK3 now. No Rifftrax, but Daniel showing Miyagi-sama the initial space for the Bonsai shop is positively dripping with his car salesmanship.

I'm pretty sure anyone from New Jersey has that car salesman thing locked.

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Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

In my experience they use most of their energy feverishly trying to convince the world that they're not from Jersey. Connecticut is much worse anyway.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

ďBy the way, badass name for a dojo.Ē

Zabkaís little ďhell yeahĒ fist pump at that line absolutely killed me.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.


Cobra Kai is an amazingly badass name for a dojo.

How realistic are the timeframes for martial arts training? Are Miguel or Robbie really going to start training in September and be a black belt ready to win the martial arts tournament by June? I assume it's sped up some because no one wants to watch three seasons of punching drills before they're allowed to get in real fights, but I'm curious as to how long it takes to become ready to enter a competition like that.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Phenotype posted:

Cobra Kai is an amazingly badass name for a dojo.

Real world places seem to like stealing the name and the logo

http://www.ckjj.com/

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011



Phenotype posted:

Cobra Kai is an amazingly badass name for a dojo.

How realistic are the timeframes for martial arts training? Are Miguel or Robbie really going to start training in September and be a black belt ready to win the martial arts tournament by June? I assume it's sped up some because no one wants to watch three seasons of punching drills before they're allowed to get in real fights, but I'm curious as to how long it takes to become ready to enter a competition like that.

When i was a kid growing up my mom signed me up for tae kwon do classes and it took like 3 years to make it to black belt. You go to classes about 3-4 times a week which is like general practice.

Once every 3-4 months theres a regional meeting/examination type deal where you perform you "kata" for whichever level you're at and spar someone so yeah, its pretty accelerated in the show.

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013

Still hoping that Yakuza 5 and Ishin! come west. Sony, I will walk out my door and buy a PS4, right now, if you make this happen.



Phenotype posted:

Cobra Kai is an amazingly badass name for a dojo.

How realistic are the timeframes for martial arts training? Are Miguel or Robbie really going to start training in September and be a black belt ready to win the martial arts tournament by June? I assume it's sped up some because no one wants to watch three seasons of punching drills before they're allowed to get in real fights, but I'm curious as to how long it takes to become ready to enter a competition like that.

No.

They might be able to get into decent shape in nine months, and they could certainly learn enough combatives to be a threat to somebody in an actual fight, but I don't know that they'd be able to learn enough formal karate to win a tournament against kids that have been studying for years, possibly a decade or more.

Which is kind of the funny thing; Johnny could absolutely teach Miguel how to beat the poo poo out of one, two, maybe three or four random high school kids in a few months. Most of that would be getting him in shape, teaching him how to hit and kick people without hurting himself, teaching him where to hit and kick people, and most importantly, teaching him not to be afraid of hitting somebody, and not afraid of being hit. But even after a year, you're probably still doing basic kata 'wrong.'

In other words, it's very believable that Johnny could take three to six months and get Miguel to the point that he could fend off Kyler and crew. It's not believable that in even nine months, he could have Miguel winning local tournament championships.

As an example, take a look at the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin...al_Arts_Program
77.5 hours of training gets you to 'green belt,' at which point you're considered to have mastered the basics, and can become an instructor. An additional 73 hours gets you to black belt

So, 156 hours, say you're training for two hours per day, six days a week, gets you there in less than four months.

TheCenturion fucked around with this message at May 11, 2018 around 15:51

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


It also wouldn't take Johnny very long to teach Miguel the most important lesson in dealing with dumb bullies in movies and TV shows: step aside and let them hurt themselves.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Sounds to me like you guys just don't realize how good of senseis Johnny and Danny are. Hell, Miagi taught Danny how to win a karate tournament in the same amount of time.

Other theory, every other under 17 year old kid in the valley is terrible at karate and put patches on their gi so they don't accidentally wear it inside out again.

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013

Still hoping that Yakuza 5 and Ishin! come west. Sony, I will walk out my door and buy a PS4, right now, if you make this happen.



Solice Kirsk posted:

Hell, Miagi taught Danny how to win a karate tournament in the same amount of time.
Daniel "won" the tournament because a) Bobby got himself DQd, b) he was granted unnatural strength by the Demon Sorcerer Miyagi, and c) using illegal techniques. Also, he had the power of 80's training montages and power-up music.

I always loved the final fight of KK2 because it very rapidly just becomes a slugfest.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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TheCenturion posted:

Daniel "won" the tournament because a) Bobby got himself DQd, b) he was granted unnatural strength by the Demon Sorcerer Miyagi, and c) using illegal techniques. Also, he had the power of 80's training montages and power-up music.

I always loved the final fight of KK2 because it very rapidly just becomes a slugfest.

Chozen was an awesome bad guy, but the Drum Punch was a stupid move. Not as stupid as the two legged kick in this one, but still stupid.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

Solice Kirsk posted:

Not as stupid as the two legged kick in this one

Right? Capoeira has no place at a karate tournament. The move was bad, but some of the earlier fights at the tournament have ridiculous jumping-flipping-handspringing bullshit.

I mean nobody cares and that's not why anybody was tuning in and it's fun to look at, but it irrationally angers me.



(also, when I was double-checking the last episode for that just now, I saw that the placemarker on the video is a silhouette of the crane kick instead of a red dot )

waah
Jun 20, 2011

In 2018 a crack Panthers team was sent to salary cap hell for crimes they didn't commit. These men escaped Hurney's Money Pit to a nearby Bojangles. Today still wanted by fans, they exist on Bo-Berry biscuits. If you have no cap room, no O-line, and can find them, maybe you can hire... The C-Team!


So I finally finished the series today. What a ride man. So happy that even if season 2 sucks, we got one helluva good season 1.

I hope to see Miguel in way more things in Hollywood. Hope his career takes off.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Phenotype posted:

Cobra Kai is an amazingly badass name for a dojo.

The whole town council meeting was hilarious

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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waah posted:

So I finally finished the series today. What a ride man. So happy that even if season 2 sucks, we got one helluva good season 1.

I hope to see Miguel in way more things in Hollywood. Hope his career takes off.

Pretty much all the kids in this were good actors. I haven't bothered looking them up, are they all really like 22 or something and just playing kids?

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

Solice Kirsk posted:

Pretty much all the kids in this were good actors. I haven't bothered looking them up, are they all really like 22 or something and just playing kids?

I just did a quick run down the IMDB page and the vast majority of them don't list their ages. Miguel and Hawk are 16/17, Sam is 22, and as for the rest,

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodshot
Default Status: SHOUTING


Hawk was a shocker for sure. That kid just blows up into this fantastic character out of nowhere.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


He flipped the script.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Hawk is awesome. To think, all he needed was a totally different personality and confidence to be a totally different confident person!

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

I'm fully sensitive to why Johnny's methods can be harmful and dangerous, but I was a big fan of his ruthless devil-may-care attitude against the kids acting like special snowflakes for any reason. I don't know if it was meant to be a commentary on safe space bullshit, but Johnny is absolutely right. Nobody in the real world is going to care, and you have to get over yourself to get very far. I'd imagine we all know people who missed that memo, and it's more sad than anything.

Silly Burrito
Nov 26, 2007

HE'S OVER FIVE THOUSAAAAAAND!!!!!


Lipstick Apathy

precision posted:

Season 2!!!!! Heckyes.

we should make a Cobra Kai gang tag

Strike First
Strike Hard
No Mercy
Fade to Cobra Kai Logo

Why mess with perfection?

waah
Jun 20, 2011

In 2018 a crack Panthers team was sent to salary cap hell for crimes they didn't commit. These men escaped Hurney's Money Pit to a nearby Bojangles. Today still wanted by fans, they exist on Bo-Berry biscuits. If you have no cap room, no O-line, and can find them, maybe you can hire... The C-Team!


When the overweight black girl shows up in season 2 weighing 50 pounds less and kicking rear end I am really gonna be pissed that all I have done in a year is sit on my fat rear end and watch youtube shows.

Gaz2k21
Sep 1, 2006

MEGALA---WHO??!!??

Iím 4 episodes in on a rewatch and they really didnít stick to the PG nature of the franchise thereís been at least one F bomb and of course the billboard graffiti.

I mean itís not like they went Hard R or anything but itís interesting that they went this way.

Silly Burrito
Nov 26, 2007

HE'S OVER FIVE THOUSAAAAAAND!!!!!


Lipstick Apathy

waah posted:

When the overweight black girl shows up in season 2 weighing 50 pounds less and kicking rear end I am really gonna be pissed that all I have done in a year is sit on my fat rear end and watch youtube shows.

Sounds like you need to visit your local run down strip mall dojo.

Gaz2k21 posted:

Iím 4 episodes in on a rewatch and they really didnít stick to the PG nature of the franchise thereís been at least one F bomb and of course the billboard graffiti.

I mean itís not like they went Hard R or anything but itís interesting that they went this way.

Most of the Karate kid fans are going to be in their late 30s-50s, so it makes sense that they would play to that audience.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodshot
Default Status: SHOUTING


Gaz2k21 posted:

I’m 4 episodes in on a rewatch and they really didn’t stick to the PG nature of the franchise there’s been at least one F bomb and of course the billboard graffiti.

I mean it’s not like they went Hard R or anything but it’s interesting that they went this way.

Life isn't PG and you can say gently caress on TV now.

Silly Burrito
Nov 26, 2007

HE'S OVER FIVE THOUSAAAAAAND!!!!!


Lipstick Apathy

Rhyno posted:

Life isn't PG and you can say gently caress on TV now.

It's Youtube Redtube.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodshot
Default Status: SHOUTING


Silly Burrito posted:

It's Youtube Redtube.

Redtube is porn and I was clearly addressing the changes in society in general.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


waah posted:

When the overweight black girl shows up in season 2 weighing 50 pounds less and kicking rear end I am really gonna be pissed that all I have done in a year is sit on my fat rear end and watch youtube shows.

The best finishing move of the season was actually the wedgie scene.

waah
Jun 20, 2011

In 2018 a crack Panthers team was sent to salary cap hell for crimes they didn't commit. These men escaped Hurney's Money Pit to a nearby Bojangles. Today still wanted by fans, they exist on Bo-Berry biscuits. If you have no cap room, no O-line, and can find them, maybe you can hire... The C-Team!


etalian posted:

The best finishing move of the season was actually the wedgie scene.

Totally agree. I was expecting horrible chick fight and instead got that scene and laughed my rear end off.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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I liked the way Miguel's hair became more and more douchey as the show went on. By the end he basically has the same haircut Kyler did in the beginning (only combed a bit better).

joebuddah
Jan 30, 2005


Gaz2k21 posted:

Iím 4 episodes in on a rewatch and they really didnít stick to the PG nature of the franchise thereís been at least one F bomb and of course the billboard graffiti.

I mean itís not like they went Hard R or anything but itís interesting that they went this way.

The original was released in the before pg-13 if memory serves. 16 candles is pg and it has nudity.(boobs)

Merlot Brougham
Dec 16, 2004

The White Darryl Strawberry




Silly Burrito posted:

Most of the Karate kid fans are going to be in their late 30s-50s, so it makes sense that they would play to that audience.

MID(!) to late 30's, just like Walter Hawkman.

Merlot Brougham
Dec 16, 2004

The White Darryl Strawberry




Gaz2k21 posted:

Iím 4 episodes in on a rewatch and they really didnít stick to the PG nature of the franchise thereís been at least one F bomb and of course the billboard graffiti.

Where is there an F Bomb? Danielle has the scene where they cut as he is about to say "motherfucker" but there are no F bombs.

I don't disagree about what you say in general about straying from the PG nature. There just aren't any F bombs in Cobra Kai.

The internet taught me the most controversial line was when Johnny explains why there aren't women in the army.

roomforthetuna
Mar 22, 2005

I don't need to know anything about virii! My CUSTOM PROGRAM keeps me protected! It's not like they'll try to come in through the Internet or something!


Merlot Brougham posted:

The internet taught me the most controversial line was when Johnny explains why there aren't women in the army.
I like how loose his philosophy is.

"Women don't belong in fighting."
"Psst, dude, you need money."
"Welcome to Cobra Kai, women!"

Merlot Brougham
Dec 16, 2004

The White Darryl Strawberry




So I was wrong about the F bomb. Caught in in Ep 3 just now in my (latest) re-watch. That's such a throwaway F bomb too. No wonder I didn't remember it.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


joebuddah posted:

The original was released in the before pg-13 if memory serves. 16 candles is pg and it has nudity.(boobs)

Yeah PG-13 was invented like 3 months after Karate Kid came out.

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010

If you haven't found any communists in your backyard, you're not looking hard enough!

I really like the neurotic nerd kid. I think the writing and acting struck a good balance at making him 'quippy' but not obnoxious to the viewer.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

It's also nice to have somebody who's relevant but uninvolved with any karate.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005
Oh, Jesus fuck. It's like the Nazis opened The Ark Of The Covenant, and I looked.


Astroman posted:

I'm glad to see you're getting along with your father Robby!

Hahaha

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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave
Jan 9, 2006

Popping up from out of nowhere...

I only wished that the cuts to exteriors in Georgia werenít so painfully not-the-valley. You knew when they were filming on location, but it should not have been that obvious when they werenít, and it was.

Small context: I lived off Wilbur and Sherman Way in Reseda from 2013-2014, a stoneís throw from Tampa and Saticoy where the real South Seas apartments are. The condos shown next door only got built within the past two years - they could have almost had the empty lot from where Miyagiís asswhooping took place as a shooting location. Alas.

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