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Hieronymous Alloy posted:As to the DLC specifically -- which shades? if it was the bridge ablaze initial fight that's supposed to be that hard. The initial dragon is supposed to be easy.
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Ravenfood posted:Given that they're talking about the teleporting palette-swapped shades, I think they mean the Ice Shades in the southwest of the map immediately after you climb up the glacier. They have a fairly nasty teleport+damage+(maybe debuff?) effect, drop Ninagauth's Pillars' on you pretty frequently, and turn into a Greater Ice Blight when killed. They gave me a fair bit of trouble too. Oh yeah, those were kindof a pain but then I realized they were extremely fire vulnerable. It helps a lot if you build Vatnir as a fire-specced priest for the DLC.
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Aug 18, 2018 18:13
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I didn't find any enemies in this game anywhere near as annoying as one specific kind of ghost in white march that I can't remember the name of. Battery Phantom or something like that. They had a solid amount of HP (more than I could nuke quickly), a ton of defenses in all categories, and would spam giant aoe paralysis / raw damage aoes. They would graze hits with paralysis on half my party for 10 seconds each, and came in pairs, and came with other ghosts who could swap place with party members. I... wasn't so interested in continuing the dlc after meeting those guys.
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Aug 18, 2018 18:19
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Should I upgrade my ship ASAP? Or can I continue to do it gradually? Quite expensive early game.
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rocket_man38 posted:Should I upgrade my ship ASAP? Or can I continue to do it gradually? Quite expensive early game.
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Aug 18, 2018 18:33
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Seeing as the level cap isn't raised in the DLC what if there was some kind of legendary levels, like every 10000 xp after level 20 you get a stat boost. It wouldn't dramatically alter the endgame but it would stop xp from becoming useless. The map sort reminds me of Mass Effect 1: you have the one city dense with quests and outside you have miles and miles of space. The difference being you're not piloting a bouncy-castle, there are no copy-paste environments, the side-quests aren't hideously low budget, and your party members CAN hit the broad side of a barn. Inspector Gesicht fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 18:57
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Ravenfood posted:You won't need to for a long, long time. I'm level 15 and just got up to a dhow. Also, I wish the drat people who send you a great cannon would send you two so I could at least have some goddamn symmetry on my ship! Ah ok, good. I ask because when I started the game shortly after release, I got my rear end handed to me by a pirate ship while scouting around. (but they might have balanced it since release) I also just got the "Floating Hangman" quest.
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Aug 18, 2018 19:18
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I would say upgrading your sails, anchor, and anything that raises ship speed should be more priority than getting a bigger ship. The travel speed when you get some of the best ship upgrades where it applies to is quite noticeable.
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Aug 18, 2018 19:23
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rocket_man38 posted:Should I upgrade my ship ASAP? Or can I continue to do it gradually? Quite expensive early game. I think the path I'd recommend is 1) buy ship upgrades (cannon, hull, sails, etc.) for the basic starting sloop 2) Get all the various bounties and go around and kill everything dhow or smaller with your sloop 3) jump straight to Junk and kill everything else and turn in all remaining bounties You can clean up that way pretty fast without technically engaging in the standard tactical combat, just using the ship minigame. It's entirely optional though.
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Aug 18, 2018 20:06
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Speaking of ships, what do crew skills actually do? Cannoneer appears to increase cannon hit rate, but no idea for the rest.
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Avalerion posted:Speaking of ships, what do crew skills actually do? Cannoneer appears to increase cannon hit rate, but no idea for the rest. Surgeon increases recovery speed for wounded crew for each rank. iirc the Watcher's captain rank is ship combat initiative? A bunch are checked in various ship-based scripted interactions, like sailing into storms has a few events that check Deckhand skills. The ship management interface isn't so great at telling you what/how much your crew skills are getting you via tooltips/etc. It's been a bit since I went digging through the Cyclopedia for that information but it may be in there. e: oh hey, here we go: https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Pillars_of_Eternity_II:_Deadfire_crew_members posted:Boatswain: The boatswain counts as a deckhand, but is more important for their ability to accelerate the completion of special events (such as putting out a deck fire) on the ship by coordinating their actions. En Garde Motherfuckers fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 20:40
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My general path is to buy a Dhow, load it up with bronze doublers, then sail around grabbing all the best crew and sinking everything that's a dhow or smaller while playing normally. By that time usually my party has leveled enough that anything bigger then a dhow can be won in battle, so it's boarding from thereon out. And also getting the Voulge early on so I never have to worry about storms again.
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Aug 18, 2018 20:45
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Is it possible to run out of ships to slaughter?
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Aug 18, 2018 21:16
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:As to the DLC specifically -- which shades? if it was the bridge ablaze initial fight that's supposed to be that hard. The initial dragon is supposed to be easy. I found bridge ablaze easy (so much so that I'm not sure what fight you even mean) whereas the Messenger was really difficult and almost killed me. Does anyone know what the huge empty island north of Dunnage is about? Honestly I expected Beast of Winter to take place there so now I'm surprised.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Is it possible to run out of ships to slaughter? If I remember right if you sink every other ship on the world map, there will be one merchant ship remaining which can't be attacked. Maybe so there's always someone who can sell to you? E: man I wish I'd done Bridge Ablaze last. I did it first because they posted a bunch of spoilers in the launch day update and I wanted to get what I'd seen out of the way, but it was easily my favorite scenario. Going to be doing it last on every playthrough from now on 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 21:35
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Taear posted:I found bridge ablaze easy (so much so that I'm not sure what fight you even mean) whereas the Messenger was really difficult and almost killed me. Probably one of the other DLCs. The ring you get in Beast of Winter from the brewer: its got a nice reflect chance I suppose, but upgrading it gives it an action speed debuff to you and to everything else around you in a 1.5m radius. Its -7% for you, but does anyone know how much it is for the enemies? If its the same, I'm not sure I'd generally want to upgrade it, which is a shame.
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Ravenfood posted:Probably one of the other DLCs. I guess. Since Beast of Winter just appears on the map though I figured the other DLCs will be the same. Edit: Looks like it's for Seeker, Slayer, Survivor since the stuff about it says "a previously unoccupied island" Taear fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 22:00
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So uh, anyone know a good album of sea shanties?
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Aug 18, 2018 22:07
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This Reddit thread (I know) has some good stuff. Beyond that, Valparaiso Men's Chorus does a lot of em
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JawKnee posted:"I have strong feelings about EVERYTHING" is the best dialogue option in the entire game i think i prefer "You destroyed my castle and ate my soul, jackass."
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Aug 18, 2018 22:45
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Did anyone figure out how to lower the water level in Sunken Crown? Been trying everything to lower the water level for those two staircases.
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Aug 19, 2018 04:25
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I like having gimmicky ship crews. On my first playthrough I had that female ogre from the gullet, that Xaurip, and near the end the dargul "You sure about that? Thing is .... hardtack won't do the trick with a thing like me." Plus the starting guys and some unmemorable hirelings from bars. Also, I didn't get Vatnir as a sidekick/companion. He made a poor first impression on me so I didn't demand that he accompany me as I fix the mess, and once you beat the DLC he just has generic 'float over his head' lines and can't be recruited. Oops-
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Psykmoe posted:Also, I didn't get Vatnir as a sidekick/companion. He made a poor first impression on me so I didn't demand that he accompany me as I fix the mess, and once you beat the DLC he just has generic 'float over his head' lines and can't be recruited. Oops- It's a real shame he isn't a proper companion although I know that would have involved having to write/voice lines for him all through the game.
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Ok, I think I can definably say that dumping a bunch of money into the ship is a waste, for two reasons: 1) They doubled the cost of the Galleon and Junk since release, and 2) You get less money from the ship minigame than you do from doing the boarding combats (more sailor experience, too, but less standard experience). So if you take the starting Berath's Blessings for +55k, and on top of that do all the non-combat quests you can, you end up with around 100k, which is roughly enough to buy and equip a junk or galleon. If you get the best crew members etc. you can then take that Junk and wipe every named ship off the map using the ship minigame. Problem: you end up netting out around 50k -- in other words, about where you started. And that's counting the bounty rewards from doing all four ship-bounty-givers (Aenia, Wayoko, Udita, Barati) (the other bounty givers have a few ship fights laced in but are mostly land encounters). And due to the larger crew sizes, you face MUCH higher ongoing maintenance costs from your new Galleon. The only real advantage is probably if you want to pump your experience up as far as possible without engaging in standard, map-and-character combat. Otherwise you're going to be MUCH better off using the starting sloop. Equip it well and you can take out voyagers, sloops and dhows in the minigame, and then just board everything else. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Urthor posted:Did anyone figure out how to lower the water level in Sunken Crown? Been trying everything to lower the water level for those two staircases. There are a couple of items you need to get to work some of the puzzles. Make sure you've talked to everyone you can talk to etc.
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I wish the opening was scripted so that you can't randomly lose potential crew members, and even Eder.
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I kind of figure that by the time you’ve got the money for a junk you’ve won every ship battle that a junk would have made more interesting
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I do like having a dhow just for the boatswain position and the extra set of guns to speed things up. Plus I think it looks better.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So if you take the starting Berath's Blessings for +55k, and on top of that do all the non-combat quests you can, you end up with around 100k, which is roughly enough to buy and equip a junk or galleon. If you get the best crew members etc. you can then take that Junk and wipe every named ship off the map using the ship minigame. Gonna stop you right there: the ship minigame. Why on earth do people do that and pass up the opportunity to board a ship and actually participate in combat with their characters? Boarding combat is like half the combat in the entire game! All I need from my ship is the ability to close the distance quickly without dying in the process. What's the best ship for that on PotD, the Dhow?
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pmchem posted:Gonna stop you right there: the ship minigame. Why on earth do people do that and pass up the opportunity to board a ship and actually participate in combat with their characters? I was trying to figure out what the max level / setup you could reach without doing "combat" was. I kinda enjoy the ship minigame but yeah the net conclusion is that you're robbing yourself if you bother with it. (Answer: about level 10 if you don't do ship minigame bounties, about level 12 if you do, depending on your tolerances). I honestly don't think there's any point in any ship other than the starting sloop if you want to play "optimally." The Voyager is technically better for boarding but in practice it's so flimsy you risk getting blown apart before you board; in practice, you're probably best off just getting the hull and sail upgrades for your basic sloop (the Blessing ones are good choices) and just closing to board. You could upgrade to the Dhow if you want a few extra crew for the fights, but even there you're better off just recruiting all the companions.
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I feel like the only way that I've made any appreciable cash is by selling the high quality gear I've received from ship to ship combat. I just assumed I wouldn't get it if I sunk the ship, since the people would all be underwater. Do you still get everything when you sink them?
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NeurosisHead posted:I feel like the only way that I've made any appreciable cash is by selling the high quality gear I've received from ship to ship combat. I just assumed I wouldn't get it if I sunk the ship, since the people would all be underwater. Do you still get everything when you sink them? You get most of it but not all of it, yeah, you're better off boarding.
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pmchem posted:Gonna stop you right there: the ship minigame. Why on earth do people do that and pass up the opportunity to board a ship and actually participate in combat with their characters? Do both: use grapeshot and kill some of the top crew and then close in and board. You even get to see a bunch of bloody bodies. Anyway yeah I was team dhow for most of the game. I bought a galleon on my last set of bounties near the end of the game just cause.
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Upkeep for ship and crew has been tedious thus far, but I am not too far into the game yet. Morale is the hardest to keep up, especially with a scrub crew.
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rocket_man38 posted:Upkeep for ship and crew has been tedious thus far, but I am not too far into the game yet. Morale is the hardest to keep up, especially with a scrub crew. Buy a shitload of rice or fruit instead of hardtack and ale instead of water and the upkeep's pretty easy.
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Vermain posted:Buy a shitload of rice or fruit instead of hardtack and ale instead of water and the upkeep's pretty easy. Not even that. Go win a ship battle, share the coins with the crew, and you're good to go.
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I wish there were infinitely respawning ships so I could play pirate forever. It’s sad that you can clear all seas content.
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pmchem posted:I wish there were infinitely respawning ships so I could play pirate forever. It’s sad that you can clear all seas content. I thought slavers respawned until you clear out Crookspur
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divx posted:I thought slavers respawned until you clear out Crookspur I think so, but Willbreaker is a really good morningstar so doing it relatively early is nice.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I was trying to figure out what the max level / setup you could reach without doing "combat" was. I kinda enjoy the ship minigame but yeah the net conclusion is that you're robbing yourself if you bother with it. (Answer: about level 10 if you don't do ship minigame bounties, about level 12 if you do, depending on your tolerances). I thought you might need one of the bigger boats to get to Ukaizo without the help of a faction, but if you don't then yeah there really isn't that much need to upgrade. If you know ahead of time you'll be going with a faction that gives you a fancy boat for free you could wait until the endgame to do your boat business too, though by that point you're at the doorstep of the finale and may not see much need to get into hours of ship fights. With all the challenge options being added to the game I started thinking about how one might actually complete them with Triple Crown/Solo active without needing to spend ~200 hours meticulously planning every single instance of combat with a parallel save. Near as I can figure the answer is: skip everything in Port Maje to get your boat back ASAP, soak up as much cash/XP as you can without fighting, get the sails and hull, then go directly to Ukaizo and use invisibility to skip the required fights in the endgame (assuming that's a thing that hasn't been patched out). The "no fleeing combat" challenge shuts this down hard but none of the other challenges so far stop this from being the safest strategy.
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