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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010


Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Starks posted:

Wonder what a Woedica godlike would look like

The rich. Like, the platonic ideal of arrogant rich people.

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!

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wiegieman posted:

The rich. Like, the platonic ideal of arrogant rich people.

Somehow I imagine Woediccan godlikes as undead. Like, born old and undead, and only to wealthy families, and undying and wealthy and vampiric.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010


Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Somehow I imagine Woediccan godlikes as undead. Like, born old and undead, and only to wealthy families, and undying and wealthy and vampiric.

Sounds like the landed nobility to me.

Starks
Sep 24, 2006



wiegieman posted:

The rich. Like, the platonic ideal of arrogant rich people.

I like that idea. Golden disfigured dudes with different asymmetric crowns attached

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

So I beat the spider mega boss but did so by abusing the Serafen's Brilliant cipher power plus salvation of time plus barring deaths door.

How does one beat that fight without abusing those abilities?

wiegieman posted:

The rich. Like, the platonic ideal of arrogant rich people.

No matter what race you are you look like a mini Donald Trump

Nasgate
Jun 7, 2011


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

And the ultimate twist gotcha being that you get more loot from boarding actions anyway, to the point that -- and this is really the kicker -- if you buy the big ship and all the fancy guns and use it to sweep the map of every available ship encounter, you won't make back the cost of the big ship or the fancy guns.

Otoh, with just two new cannons on your starting ship you can get tier 3/4 weapons at almost the start of the game.

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009


Ginette Reno posted:

So I beat the spider mega boss but did so by abusing the Serafen's Brilliant cipher power plus salvation of time plus barring deaths door.

How does one beat that fight without abusing those abilities?


No matter what race you are you look like a mini Donald Trump

Shark Soup. (Immunity to all body afflictions)

Pallegina Herald regen tank with mace and shield.

Ydwin using Ancestor's Memory and Pain Block. Gaining focus with a warbow.

PC Wizard mainly killing mobs/crowd control with Black Bow.

Rogue/Wiz Aloth and Monk Mirke on DPS vs mobs.

When the defenses are low enough, I removed concentration with Pallegina chanting Thick Grew Their Tongues before chaincasting Concelhaut's Crushing Doom which locked her down until death. An empowered inner death from Mirke merely pissed her off with 500+ damage and nearly lost me the fight early.

mitochondritom
Oct 3, 2010


Regarding Godlikes, is it ever elaborated on why Nature godlikes are flowery chill looking dudes but are aspects of the supreme rear end in a top hat Galawain? Based on his beast fetish, shouldn't they all be more like the druid were-forms? Or if you are going all plant based they should be venus fly trap esque monstrosities.

This doesn't scream out Galawain to me?

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


mitochondritom posted:

Regarding Godlikes, is it ever elaborated on why Nature godlikes are flowery chill looking dudes but are aspects of the supreme rear end in a top hat Galawain? Based on his beast fetish, shouldn't they all be more like the druid were-forms? Or if you are going all plant based they should be venus fly trap esque monstrosities.

Ondra gets two different types of godlike, one based of the see and the other the moon. So maybe the gods can create godlike based off different aspects of themselves? Maybe there's a more bestial godlike that's associated with Galawain's hunter thing.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

I think they came up with the ideas for godlikes first and then came up with the gods. So the association of godlike to god (the ones available to the player anyway) is based on which of the pantheon X look would best go with

Zane
Nov 14, 2007


Dr_Gee posted:

Also, I'm glad that if you side with the New Blood pirates the ending slides are effectively, "It's 24/7 raping, murdering, and pillaging across the Deadfire, now. I hope you're happy you swamp donkey."

Amazingly enough, having the best set of amusing one-liners doesn't translate to a well-governed region.
are you suggesting that relative quantity of joss whedon style quips is not effective criteria for good social-political governance?

User
May 3, 2002
I am a king among men, ask anyone.

Furism posted:

I don't know much about Marx' theories, but wasn't he basically saying that capitalism is poo poo and the biggest threat to mankind, would lead to huge inequalities, etc. ? Because if so, I think that bit is right on the money. It's exactly what we're seeing right now.

It's one of the obvious things he got wildly wrong and it's yet another example of reversing the arrow of causality. Capitalism doesn't create inequality, but it functions better than other systems in the presence of inequality. That's a pleasant property given that inequality is observably an intrinsic attribute of humans (and fantasy races based on them). The various utopian systems like socialism and communism implicitly recognize this, which is why their adherents tend to obsess on changing the state of observable reality to match their preferred fantasy.

Edit: Put simply, inequality naturally increases as a society grows because that's how probability works. Scale is the dominating factor. Inequality grew in the 20th and 21st centuries because the scale of our societies has exploded.
VVV

Edit edit: In the other direction, mass die-offs from war, disease, famine, and so on inevitably reduce inequality until population sizes recover.

User fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2018 around 18:22

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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User posted:

. Capitalism doesn't create inequality,

[Citation needed], but see generally: Piketty, Thomas, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, Harvard University Press, 2013.

DrPop
Aug 22, 2004



User posted:

It's one of the obvious things he got wildly wrong and it's yet another example of reversing the arrow of causality. Capitalism doesn't create inequality, but it functions better than other systems in the presence of inequality. That's a pleasant property given that inequality is observably an intrinsic attribute of humans (and fantasy races based on them). The various utopian systems like socialism and communism implicitly recognize this, which is why their adherents tend to obsess on changing the state of observable reality to match their preferred fantasy.

Edit: Put simply, inequality naturally increases as a society grows because that's how probability works. Scale is the dominating factor. Inequality grew in the 20th and 21st centuries because the scale of our societies has exploded.
VVV

Edit edit: In the other direction, mass die-offs from war, disease, famine, and so on inevitably reduce inequality until population sizes recover.

The population wonk has logged on

MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!


User posted:

It's one of the obvious things he got wildly wrong and it's yet another example of reversing the arrow of causality. Capitalism doesn't create inequality, but it functions better than other systems in the presence of inequality. That's a pleasant property given that inequality is observably an intrinsic attribute of humans (and fantasy races based on them). The various utopian systems like socialism and communism implicitly recognize this, which is why their adherents tend to obsess on changing the state of observable reality to match their preferred fantasy.

Edit: Put simply, inequality naturally increases as a society grows because that's how probability works. Scale is the dominating factor. Inequality grew in the 20th and 21st centuries because the scale of our societies has exploded.
VVV

Edit edit: In the other direction, mass die-offs from war, disease, famine, and so on inevitably reduce inequality until population sizes recover.

Lol look at the big brain on this guy

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

User posted:

Capitalism doesn't create inequality

User
May 3, 2002
I am a king among men, ask anyone.

quote:

Socialism Good! Orange Man Bad!

User fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2018 around 19:22

jokes
Dec 20, 2012
jokes


There are political discussions that are very related to a game wherein political consideration and government is a big aspect. Then there's poo poo like this.

User posted:

Capitalism doesn't create inequality, but it functions better than other systems in the presence of inequality.

Animancers doesn't create horrible crimes against the immortal soul but it functions better than other systems in the presence of horrible crimes against the immortal soul.

jokes fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2018 around 19:53

User
May 3, 2002
I am a king among men, ask anyone.

jokes posted:

There are political discussions that are very related to a game wherein political consideration and government is a big aspect. Then there's poo poo like this.

NPC scripts are completely topical to RPGs.

jokes posted:

Animancers doesn't create horrible crimes against the immortal soul but it functions better than other systems in the presence of horrible crimes against the immortal soul.

We don't really know much about the pre-wheel state of affairs, but evidently the Engwithans thought it was worse than the available alternative. Certainly it's true that contemporary Eoran animancers did not create the system of horrible crimes against the immortal soul that Eothas wants to rectify.

User fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2018 around 20:27

TEENAGE WITCH
Jul 20, 2008

NAH LAD


https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/s...272963515342849

di verus, this vrudo nasenale Avellone

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS


Piss Avelloser, thats a halloween name he can use

BoneMonkey
Jul 25, 2008

I am happy for you.



User posted:

It's one of the obvious things he got wildly wrong and it's yet another example of reversing the arrow of causality. Capitalism doesn't create inequality, but it functions better than other systems in the presence of inequality. That's a pleasant property given that inequality is observably an intrinsic attribute of humans (and fantasy races based on them). The various utopian systems like socialism and communism implicitly recognize this, which is why their adherents tend to obsess on changing the state of observable reality to match their preferred fantasy.

Edit: Put simply, inequality naturally increases as a society grows because that's how probability works. Scale is the dominating factor. Inequality grew in the 20th and 21st centuries because the scale of our societies has exploded.
VVV

Edit edit: In the other direction, mass die-offs from war, disease, famine, and so on inevitably reduce inequality until population sizes recover.

Does it hurt to be this wrong?

User
May 3, 2002
I am a king among men, ask anyone.

BoneMonkey posted:

Does it hurt to be this wrong? Bleep bloop I am very smart!


You see another NPC arrive!

User fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2018 around 23:48

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Love when some jackass wanders into a videogame thread and tries to make it a political discussion for some reason

AfricanBootyShine
Jan 9, 2006

Snake wins.



Agent355
Jul 26, 2011




I'm not playing on a high difficulty level but I still like having some idea of what is good and proper team compositition and stuff.

I rolled a pure ranger because pets are cool. So I'm imagining I need some front liners like maybe the paladin lady and the berserker furball then the priest and the wizard for buffs and cc and stuff? Seem reasonable? Anybody got a few words?

E: I don't mind running stuff just based on personality either but I can't include everybody on the first go-round anyway.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Eder's a decent frontliner, unless you make him a pure rogue. Chanters' nice little buffs make them good to have around; I quite like Konstanten and Pallegina as frontline chanter multiclassers, what with the one chanter spell that paralyzes enemies in a cone

User
May 3, 2002
I am a king among men, ask anyone.

2house2fly posted:

Love when some jackass wanders into a videogame thread and tries to make it a political discussion for some reason

I also hate when people discuss the politics in an RPG that is marketed as having politics and tries to portay them realistically. Feels bad man!

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011




if a character isn't in the active party to they get exp anyway so I can always change later without suddenly have underleveled dudes?

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

They get less xp, but they do still get it. It's generally a good idea to switch up your party composition a bit, to get a feel for how different combinations work

User
May 3, 2002
I am a king among men, ask anyone.

The game pretty much tells you when to do this too, with the recommended characters icons.

TEENAGE WITCH
Jul 20, 2008

NAH LAD


ekera, now the bae that leaked the obsidian microsoft merger is giving out to avellone lmao

https://twitter.com/klobrille/statu...658049138143233

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009


User posted:

NPC scripts are completely topical to RPGs.

User posted:

I also hate when people discuss the politics in an RPG that is marketed as having politics and tries to portay them realistically. Feels bad man!


User posted:



You see another NPC arrive!

Why are you calling people NPCs like a chud redditor because they're laughing at your "Inequality = Population*Constant" formula? Was that grand equation not a joke?

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Hi!


Canít get too mad at avellone, heís at the ripe old age of 46 and his mind is starting to go

Nasgate
Jun 7, 2011


I bet User thinks the legion is the best choice in NV.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011




So I sorta get the impression that there are varying factions at play and since the quests are marked in the journal as belonging to one faction or another, including things like bounties, that I may have to choose one side or the other? Is this an 'eventually choose' thing or am I going to face consequences for doing bounties of the opposite faction when I try to deal with them?

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you

Agent355 posted:

Is this an 'eventually choose' thing or am I going to face consequences for doing bounties of the opposite faction when I try to deal with them?

It's the former. The most impactful choice is quite late. Most things you can do without major consequence. The bounties have none IIRC.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Yeah, it's actually a little annoying how free you are to dabble in each faction as you please. You pretty much don't have to choose until right before the final quest

User
May 3, 2002
I am a king among men, ask anyone.

AngryBooch posted:

Why are you calling people NPCs like a chud redditor because they're laughing at your "Inequality = Population*Constant" formula? Was that grand equation not a joke?

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Nasgate posted:

I bet User thinks the legion is the best choice in NV.

The legion is a failure both morally and pragmatically, so no, I wouldn't say that. And that's even if you grant for argument that military patriarchy is the best chance for survival in the wasteland, because even if it were they're still failing to build a stable military patriarchy.

It's impressive how many people are going full commiesperg here just from the observation that socialism doesn't scale. All of the successful capitalist/socialist hybrid societies are small countries like Norway, which has population of 5 million.

User fucked around with this message at Oct 18, 2018 around 01:50

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MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!


AngryBooch posted:

Why are you calling people NPCs like a chud redditor because they're laughing at your "Inequality = Population*Constant" formula? Was that grand equation not a joke?

It's because he's a chud op

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