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Dreddout posted:Where's The Maurya Empire? Lower because Ahsoka eventually chilled the gently caress out.
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my favorite British Empire foible was the Anglo-Zulu War started by an ambitious colonial official acting on his own without the knowledge or permission of the government. the first invasion was a tremendous incompetence-ridden failure that ended in total British defeat. when the government found out, they shitcanned the guys for recklessly starting a war...and then sent a new invasion force as reinforcements, totally ignoring the Zulu requests for peace negotiations, because British honor could not possibly tolerate being defeated by Africans regardless of the circumstances. they even managed to get Napoleon IV killed in the process after the British victory, they exiled the Zulu king and partitioned Zulu land between a number of chiefs in order to divide and destabilize the Zulu, but the resulting mess turned out to be worse than expected, to the point where within five years, British decided to bring the king back and install him as sole leader again. the ambitious chiefs weren't happy about losing their rulership, so the British partitioned Zulu land again, giving part of it to the king and his supporters and part of it to everyone who opposed the king. naturally, that arrangement collapsed almost instantly, and the throne changed hands twice more (aided by white mercenaries, who were given half of Zulu land in exchange for helping various throne candidates) in the four years before the British finally annexed the Zulu Kingdom altogether
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May 8, 2018 17:50
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Spanish empire should be 1st.
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May 8, 2018 18:15
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mongols introduced gender equality and religious freedom to different parts of their empire. their huge death totals are in part due to the sheer scale of the territory they conquered, but their actual rule of some regions was relatively benign (as compared to their middle east hegemony anyway) tamerlane was far, far worse than any of the mongols
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May 9, 2018 00:07
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if you wanna include deaths inevitably caused by global warming in the near future then soon america should be #1, op
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May 9, 2018 00:11
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Yossarian-22 posted:if you wanna include deaths inevitably caused by global warming in the near future then soon america should be #1, op If we're going to count those, than America easily wins every category Rudatron came up with.
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May 9, 2018 00:16
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Yossarian-22 posted:mongols introduced gender equality and religious freedom to different parts of their empire.
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May 9, 2018 00:56
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jBrereton posted:I mean they literally banned jews and muslims from slaughtering their animals in the halal/kosher style or being circumcised in China but sure, sure. not to be a whataboutist but compare that to just about anywhere else in the mid-13th century
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May 9, 2018 01:21
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Yossarian-22 posted:if you wanna include deaths inevitably caused by global warming in the near future then soon america should be #1, op
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May 9, 2018 01:34
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rudatron posted:No no no, everyone shares the blame for that one, don't try and wiggle out of it but in terms of introducing a gargantuan continent of (now) 300 million people to the wonders of unmitigated industrialization and doing the most to undermine international climate treaties, we probably deserve the most. plus, cleared away so many trees/natives to build giant railroads and then in the era when sustainable public transit became tenable, our newly confident government, no longer chained to free market dogma embarked on its heretofore biggest infrastructure project. .. built highways and funded suburbanization  say what you will about china and india but their share of bullshit is mostly a recent thing Yossarian-22 has issued a correction as of 02:41 on May 9, 2018 |
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May 9, 2018 02:39
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the eruozone has no excuse, and neither does canada, australia, japan, korea.
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May 9, 2018 02:46
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the dutch themselves deserve to be singled out. there was a quality to the depravity that some of the other empires on the list lack.
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May 9, 2018 03:27
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My buddy put them at #0, for being so evil they just nulled the list, which I agree with, gently caress them and their Indies companies.
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May 9, 2018 08:23
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Yossarian-22 posted:not to be a whataboutist but compare that to just about anywhere else in the mid-13th century
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May 9, 2018 08:26
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rudatron posted:Mongols are easy #1, wtf r u smoking
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May 9, 2018 08:55
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subutai killed like half a million people while commanding a force of 20,000 lol
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May 9, 2018 08:59
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jfood posted:the dutch themselves deserve to be singled out. there was a quality to the depravity that some of the other empires on the list lack. Dutch Boers are some of the only people in the world that could make the British look good by comparison.
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jfood posted:the dutch themselves deserve to be singled out. there was a quality to the depravity that some of the other empires on the list lack. same with Belgium imperialism was insanely bad
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May 9, 2018 13:02
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Spanish empire genuinely the worst though, genocided and enslaved almost an entire hemisphere, whose stolen wealth kickstarted capitalism, sent half the population of the incan empire to die in the pits of potosi, put in place the castas system whose legacy is probably even worse racism and crime than in the US
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May 9, 2018 13:33
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Yossarian-22 posted:if you wanna include deaths inevitably caused by global warming in the near future then soon america should be #1, op no but i think you can include leaded petrol and ozone layer damage since they were both things by an american that then had american companies lobby insanely hard to suppress all evidence of the damage
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Spanish empire genuinely the worst though, genocided and enslaved almost an entire hemisphere, whose stolen wealth kickstarted capitalism, sent half the population of the incan empire to die in the pits of potosi, put in place the castas system whose legacy is probably even worse racism and crime than in the US and yet, without Rome, they never would have existed. just woulda stayed a buncha iberian celts. but no, had to go romanize them and then give them the RCC to greenlight the reconquista. but yeah, gently caress spain.
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May 9, 2018 15:40
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KiteAuraan posted:and yet, without Rome, they never would have existed. just woulda stayed a buncha iberian celts. but no, had to go romanize them and then give them the RCC to greenlight the reconquista. 
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May 9, 2018 15:47
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May 9, 2018 15:50
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which ones the Alexander one. that poo poo was cool
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May 9, 2018 15:52
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That DICK! posted:which ones the Alexander one. that poo poo was cool
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May 9, 2018 15:56
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that poo poo was awesome. no one even thought to do that back then. it wasn’t played out.
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May 9, 2018 16:09
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jBrereton posted:It was a literal step backwards compared to the Song dynasty's treatment. But apparently they spread rights??? galactic brain poo poo pretty sure the mongols had dominion over a little more than china
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May 9, 2018 16:19
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In an alternate universe the United States never existed, America is still part of the British Empire and the world is at a glorious tea loving peace. Pip pip. *sips tea*
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Yossarian-22 posted:mongols introduced gender equality and religious freedom to different parts of their empire. their huge death totals are in part due to the sheer scale of the territory they conquered, but their actual rule of some regions was relatively benign (as compared to their middle east hegemony anyway) Gender equality? About 7000 Oirat girls disagree.
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May 9, 2018 18:13
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the thing with the temujin-era mongols is that they were indeed the greatest humans to ever live, in the sense that they exemplified better than any other society the traits that have driven humans to rule and defile the world and part of the way they accomplished that was by considering the settled peoples non- or sub-human
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WMain00 posted:In an alternate universe the United States never existed, America is still part of the British Empire and the world is at a glorious tea loving peace. I saw that episode of Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego too
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That DICK! posted:which ones the Alexander one. that poo poo was cool alexander was decent as far as imperial conquerers go. just wholly adopted the whole Persian system, which was to let the conquered locals continue to do their own thing as long as they paid some taxes. and when greeks colonized they didnt really force people out, just kind of built new cities. romans really invented empires forcing locals to adopt their customs and culture while still treating them like unworthy barbarians, at least in the west.
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i love how the greeks poo poo talked the persians basically because the persians wouldn't let them get up to their usual greek bullshit. then this greek-as-gently caress guy builds a unified greece and empire for the first time ever and bases it entirely off the persian model and like, was a giant cyrus fanboy and poo poo. :cryingleonidas:
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KiteAuraan posted:i love how the greeks poo poo talked the persians basically because the persians wouldn't let them get up to their usual greek bullshit. Game recognize game
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okay I'm pretty sure it doesn't compare to anything here on a scale of genocidal hosed up-ness but what do y'all think about the Napoleonic Empire
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Takanago posted:okay I'm pretty sure it doesn't compare to anything here on a scale of genocidal hosed up-ness but what do y'all think about the Napoleonic Empire it swept away feudalism and emancipated jews in the ghettos, plus the napoleonic code was pretty tight. hosed up that he tried to reimpose slavery in haiti though
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Takanago posted:okay I'm pretty sure it doesn't compare to anything here on a scale of genocidal hosed up-ness but what do y'all think about the Napoleonic Empire We're worse off that Napoleon lost.
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Takanago posted:okay I'm pretty sure it doesn't compare to anything here on a scale of genocidal hosed up-ness but what do y'all think about the Napoleonic Empire prussian emperors can suck it!!!
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May 9, 2018 20:50
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There's a universe where napoleon didn't invade Russia and it's probably pretty nice
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*annexes tibet and bans tibetan identity* *claims all of the ocean 5 miles off everyone else's coast* *backs dictators in africa* "it's not imperialism when we do it"
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