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euphronius posted:Luke’s outfit in ep three starts showing white in the climatic scene which is pretty explicit light side language there's a big gap between using contrasting colours to convey a theme of light/good and dark/evil versus "the good people in this universe use the Light Side of the Force, as opposed to the Dark Side" being something that people actually say. the Jedi and everyone else talk only about "The Force". ungulateman fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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There's probably some ambiguity intended with Luke's dressing in black, though I think the colours aren't meant to be so, well, black-and-white in the setting, given the Stormtroopers wear white and all. Though monochrome is definitely a theme with the Empire, while the Rebels have mixed outfits and earth tones, looking more diverse and rugged. With the Jabba's Palace sequence being a rescue mission behind enemy lines, I think Luke's meant to be dressing simply and inconspicuous as a more confidence and focused Jedi warrior (though definitely some intended ambiguity as he acts a little like Vader, using the Force Choke and having a commanding confidence he didn't before. But those things can be used for good or evil, after all) and dressing as a mix of Obi-Wan and Vader's styles, the only two humanoid Jedi he knows, may suggest he's intending to confront Vader on more equal terms now- he is a Jedi, like his father before him.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Luminous beings are we, unlike fuckin droids, lol. new thread title
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plenty of droids have little lights on them
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Wolfsheim posted:Look who forgot about the last minute of Ep IX lol Not just that minute either! Insert other meatbag characters then, same point. Do the Jedi ever refer to a force ghost as a soul? TheDeadlyShoe posted:Well droids don't have midichlorians. Since midichlorians are necessary for life per Qui-gon, droids by definition aren't alive, and thus are connected to the force on the same level as a rock. Luminous beings are we, unlike fuckin droids, lol. I'm not sure any of that is established, nor even would it follow. If our natural superiority in luminosity or soulfulness or w/e is true, then it should be fairly explicable. What is a soul, how do we determine who has one, and what if any connection does that have with personhood? RubiconCrosser posted:where would they be, the wirestream? In their blood (oil), which comes from fossilized organic life
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Of course, when Yoda was talking about "crude matter," the example he indicated was Luke's body. What difference does it make how organic the crude matter is? Even the movie that introduced midichlorians also had a lot to say about how the Force is found in symbiosis and mutual interdependence. Don't the organic beings of the galaxy have a relationship like that with droids? They describe the Force as an energy field, but the Jedi get so preoccupied with the various powers that use that energy, through their symbiosis with telekinetic microorganisms, that they lose sight of the fact that the symbiosis itself is the point of it all. Moving rocks around is one thing, but really the idea is to be enlightened enough to pierce the illusion of separation. 'Cause it's a pop amalgamation of various strands of Asian mysticism, you see.
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RubiconCrosser posted:why are you so obsessed with calling mace windu slurs And why is everyone else here ok with it?
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I don't think anyone here would be okay with someone calling Mace Windu a slur?
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Apr 15, 2025 10:34
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I think it'd be fine to call him a baldie
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nerf herder
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Luminous beings are we, not bloody clankers
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He's certainly not scruffy looking
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RubiconCrosser posted:where would they be, the wirestream? It doesn't come up often, but C3P0 is full of blood.
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Who's blood?
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Outpost22 posted:Who's blood? Not much, who's blood with you?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's probably some ambiguity intended with Luke's dressing in black, though I think the colours aren't meant to be so, well, black-and-white in the setting, given the Stormtroopers wear white and all. Though monochrome is definitely a theme with the Empire, while the Rebels have mixed outfits and earth tones, looking more diverse and rugged. With the Jabba's Palace sequence being a rescue mission behind enemy lines, I think Luke's meant to be dressing simply and inconspicuous as a more confidence and focused Jedi warrior (though definitely some intended ambiguity as he acts a little like Vader, using the Force Choke and having a commanding confidence he didn't before. But those things can be used for good or evil, after all) and dressing as a mix of Obi-Wan and Vader's styles, the only two humanoid Jedi he knows, may suggest he's intending to confront Vader on more equal terms now- he is a Jedi, like his father before him. There's a deleted scene of Luke communing with Vader as he finishes assembling his green saber, which reinforces the idea that the coloring, along with the Force choking and selling his free robot pals back into slavery, is meant to convey ambiguity. The practical reason for the green saber is that it stands out against the bright blue sky, but it also conveys ambiguity and a new path forward by not falling into the clear blue=good/red=evil color coding from the first two movies.
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BiggestBatman posted:Ready to be wrong here, but is it stated anywhere definitively that droids don't have midichlorians? Yoda talks about the force (and, by extension, midichlorians) flowing through inorganic matter like rocks, I don't see why this would not include droids.
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Regarde Aduck posted:And why is everyone else here ok with it? For peeps somehow unfamiliar with the mace windu challenge ityool 2025, it arose when some nerd, in order to defend considering Chewie or the droids as unpersons, claimed that it's impossible to be bigoted towards a fictional character.
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I think worrying about the droids' midichlorian count is misguided because I take the whole point of the Jedi measuring midichlorian counts to be that they are misguided and have come to believe that they can empirically quantify someone's spiritual connection to the universe.
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Blood Boils posted:For peeps somehow unfamiliar with the mace windu challenge ityool 2025, it arose when some nerd, in order to defend considering Chewie or the droids as unpersons, claimed that it's impossible to be bigoted towards a fictional character. Which is correct? If you call Mace Windu a slur, you're hurting Black people in real life, not fictional Jedi Mace Windu. I can actually guarantee you that you can call any fictional character anything you want and that character will not take offense
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u need to think about it for more than a second, otherwise ya end up implying that bigotry is only wrong if the victim feels bad
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Being bigoted is not a matter of the other person taking offense.
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Blood Boils posted:u need to think about it for more than a second, otherwise ya end up implying that bigotry is only wrong if the victim feels bad Bigotry is wrong because it hurts people in real life. If you were to say that the Jedi are bad because they recruit child soldiers, there would be no serious consequences because the Jedi Order is not real. If you said that the Jedi are bad because they allow women to join, that statement would suggest that you believe real-life women should be treated similarly, which is bad, because they are real. This is an exceedingly simple concept to comprehend
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Like in real life, we can see how bigotry in star wars hurts the droids & wookies
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You may also notice that the reason they're oppressed is because of other fictional characters, not real people on internet forums e: also, they're not actually oppressed because they're not real and therefore cannot be harmed or killed. We are pretending they are oppressed for our own entertainment RubiconCrosser fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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No one's arguing they're real life, but we are arguing they are oppressed people. RubiconCrosser posted:You may also notice that the reason they're oppressed is because of other fictional characters, not real people on internet forums Right? I'm not the one arguing that they're unpersons it's impossible to be prejudiced against!
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I hate to tell you this, but you cannot prove that fake droids deserve fake rights by pointing out that if someone were racist in real life, it would be bad
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Lol I don't need to "prove" that anyone, real or fictional, deserves rights. They simply have them, denied or not. As you said, it's an exceedingly simple concept to comprehend
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Jesus christ this is tedious. We excited for Andor dropping a week?
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RubiconCrosser posted:I hate to tell you this, but you cannot prove that fake droids deserve fake rights by pointing out that if someone were racist in real life, it would be bad You are in real life, and Mace Windu is fake. So, dare you complete the Challenge? If it helps, I can initiate Easy Mode: the same Challenge, but you may replace Mace Windu with any ‘fake’ character of your choosing.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You are in real life, and Mace Windu is fake. So, dare you complete the Challenge? Why did you put "fake" in quotation marks Do you believe Mace Windu is real? Do you believe slurs are bad specifically because they harm Mace Windu?
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bunnyofdoom posted:Jesus christ this is tedious. I think it's fascinating but ymmv No, but only because I haven't seen andor 1 yet
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RubiconCrosser posted:Why did you put "fake" in quotation marks Your first question is answered by the first sentence in the post you quoted. Your second question indicates you have similarly overlooked some other aspects of the context of the challenge.
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Han Solo is a nerf herder, but he takes more offense at being called scruffy.
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Chewbacca is a walking carpet and thus only takes offense at Leia's tone
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You can pretend to be in a debate club all you want, in the end you will not complete the challenge since you know what the reaction will be, real person or not.
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RubiconCrosser posted:Why did you put "fake" in quotation marks I often use "scare quotes" to generate a "spooky atmosphere" & keep people "on their toes". But, if that's too much, I can initiate an Easier Mode: the same Challenge, again, but you may replace Mace Windu with any fake character of your choosing. (Note lack of scare quotes in the previous sentence.) I do acknowledge that some folks my find the Challenge unengaging, but I consider the bizarre little mental short-circuits it produces very interesting. Nerds are clearly hesitant to 'take the plunge' with regard to use of a racial slur, yet are enthusiastically generating pseudoscientific race theories to justify literal chattel slavery (e.g. 'R2D2 is an LLM!!!') - which, I would argue, is worse. I suspect it's a case of a "lib brain" where the priority is to employ politically correct language to avoid ostracism, rather than address the injustice - in this case, the act of spreading racist ideology online, even casually inventing new forms of futuristic bigotry. (Although its debatable how new it is; "NPC" is a popular dehumanizing term among today's nerd-fascists.) So, again, it's a cut to the chase. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Apr 16, 2025 |
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What the heck is an LLM? Is it like ILM? Or an LLC?
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ruddiger posted:What the heck is an LLM? Is it like ILM? Or an LLC? Lots of LLCs use LLMs unwisely these days, and regrettably ILM looks like it might be among them.
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