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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I often use "scare quotes" to generate a "spooky atmosphere" & keep people "on their toes". Can I just spend a quick ten dollars to point out what a complete sty this place is? I can? Great! Look at this blithering rear end in a top hat still doing decade-old bits so tired they'd embarrass Yakov Smirnoff, trying to troll people into saying the N word to pretend to Wokely Argue that completely imaginary comedy robots are like oppressed minority groups in real life, something neither he nor anyone else actually takes seriously. Yet a cool and fearless large-dicked poster can't call him a dipshit without getting banned because the mod is a coward who can't deal with a bunch of autists keening like dying elk and rocking back and forth and chewing their fingers to the bone when someone tells them their stupid films are bad. The snake rots from the head. Tezzorb fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Apr 16, 2025 |
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Tezzorb posted:Can I just spend a quick ten dollars to point out what a complete sty this place is? I can? Great! Look at this blithering rear end in a top hat still doing bits so tired they'd embarrass Yakov Smirnoff, trying to troll people into saying the N word to pretend to Wokely Argue that completely imaginary comedy robots are like oppressed minority groups in real life, something neither he nor anyone else actually takes seriously. Yet a cool and handsome poster can't call him a dipshit without getting banned because the mod is a coward who can't deal with a bunch of autists keening like dying elk and rocking back and forth and chewing their fingers to the bone when someone tells them their stupid films are bad. The snake rots from the head. In what way is the fictional oppression that the fictional characters are depicted as experiencing unlike the real oppression that real people experience? Edit: Aside, obviously, from the fact that it is an element of a story.
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Bongo Bill posted:In what way is the fictional oppression that the fictional characters are depicted as experiencing unlike the real oppression that real people experience? *Nodding thoughtfully, raises a finger* Suck my dick
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You're no fun any more.
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Oh lib brained am I, well would a lib brained person spend $40+ to post like this
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Wokely Argue sounds like a Star Wars character who might show up in the new season of Andor.
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Nah, Wokely Argue is more of a Douglas Adams kinda name imo
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Blood Boils posted:Oh lib brained am I, well would a lib brained person spend $40+ to post like this I've spent well over 100 dollars to prove you're stupid and I'll spend another 100 more without blinking. How far would you go for your art
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Honestly that sounds like a waste of money
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Art is more valuable than money or time
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Why do you suppose I spend so much time asking people what they think about art?
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I dont think i could muster being mad about star wars in 2025
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Tezzorb posted:Can I just spend a quick ten dollars to point out what a complete sty this place is? I can? Great! Look at this blithering rear end in a top hat still doing decade-old bits so tired they'd embarrass Yakov Smirnoff, trying to troll people into saying the N word to pretend to Wokely Argue that completely imaginary comedy robots are like oppressed minority groups in real life, something neither he nor anyone else actually takes seriously. Yet a cool and fearless large-dicked poster can't call him a dipshit without getting banned because the mod is a coward who can't deal with a bunch of autists keening like dying elk and rocking back and forth and chewing their fingers to the bone when someone tells them their stupid films are bad. The snake rots from the head. Your paying real world money to defend your right to do racism to made up cartoon characters. Why?
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There's no blue checkmarks on Something Awful, Tezzorb. Engagement farming won't actually get you anything.
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He does have a point and it's this: imagine explaining the mace windu thing to anybody in your real life who has not been reading this thread for ten years
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It only makes sense with the context that several posters over the years have made it a point to downplay the use of slavery as a story element, and that multiple have taken the angle that "it's not slavery because the slaves aren't people." And, truly, it is strange how that keeps coming up. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 16, 2025 |
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Don't make me tap the signNo Mods No Masters posted:The main preoccupation of all star wars chat is determining precisely which humanlike beings don't rise to a sufficient level of humanity and can safely be enslaved and/or vaporized
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FunkyAl posted:He does have a point and it's this: imagine explaining the mace windu thing to anybody in your real life who has not been reading this thread for ten years I would simply show them the og post and trust their reading comprehension
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I simply wouldn't explain anything that happens in this thread to anyone I know in real life Remember how flat it fell in Solo when the one droid wanted equal rights as a joke but then becomes the millennial falcon's navigation system not as a joke
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Wokely Argue sounds like the unfortunate name some white lib couple gave to their child born circa 2019
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R2 wakes up by the force in episode … 7 or whatever it was .8 . So they have some force attunment Also you can’t take what Jedi say at face value. They are often mistaken or lying
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Tezzorb posted:Can I just spend a quick ten dollars to point out what a complete sty this place is? I can? Great! Look at this blithering rear end in a top hat still doing decade-old bits so tired they'd embarrass Yakov Smirnoff, trying to troll people into saying the N word to pretend to Wokely Argue that completely imaginary comedy robots are like oppressed minority groups in real life, something neither he nor anyone else actually takes seriously. Yet a cool and fearless large-dicked poster can't call him a dipshit without getting banned because the mod is a coward who can't deal with a bunch of autists keening like dying elk and rocking back and forth and chewing their fingers to the bone when someone tells them their stupid films are bad. The snake rots from the head. This may come as a surprise, but the purpose of the Challenge is not to "troll you into saying the N word" (although that would be very funny), but rather to highlight the cognitive dissonance that motivates you to enthusiastically promote racist ideologies while simultaneously taking great pains to distance yourself from your own rhetoric. Like, "paying hundreds of dollars to insist that your style of phrenology is extremely normal and you're just being framed by the DEI" kinds of cognitive dissonance. This is why completing the Challenge would 100% defeat me: I currently fully believe that you are a weaselly liar-person who is reacting badly to having been 'called out' and is now acting out of desperation, seeking not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. It is very unlikely that you will just directly say what you mean. Like, just a few posts ago, we'd established that the rhetoric about "completely imaginary comedy robots" was a smokescreen. Mace Windu is literally an imaginary alien and frequently a cartoon character - including in a comedy episode of The Clone Wars featuring popular character Jar Jar Binks - and you yourself stated that you could not conceive of a scenario where racism directed towards him would be OK. Yet there it is again; you're right back to it. Are you hoping that people forgot? Because that doesn't seem at all like 'fearlessness' to me. But there is one way prove me wrong about your character, and to fight woke tyranny in the process....
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Lego + tariffs it's probably cheaper to just make your own functional robot.
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FunkyAl posted:He does have a point and it's this: imagine explaining the mace windu thing to anybody in your real life who has not been reading this thread for ten years This is what I specifically am going through as we speak. I appear to have entered a thread in which 5+ people have deluded themselves into thinking the primary reason racism is bad is that it might contribute to the oppression of fictional characters
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:But there is one way prove me wrong about your character, and to fight woke tyranny in the process.... *hurtling down the death star trench towards the posting button* large hands posted:Use the Slurs, Luke.
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FunkyAl posted:He does have a point and it's this: imagine explaining the mace windu thing to anybody in your real life who has not been reading this thread for ten years It's bound to come up with other fictional texts and characters, so just apply as needed. I will have to think of specific examples but there is just no way that kind of thinking is exclusive to some Star Wars fans. It's just easier to go full mask-off with the droids as targets, but you could issue a similar challenge regarding, like, the hyenas from The Lion King.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:This may come as a surprise, but the purpose of the Challenge is not to "troll you into saying the N word" (although that would be very funny), but rather to highlight the cognitive dissonance that motivates you to enthusiastically promote racist ideologies while simultaneously taking great pains to distance yourself from your own rhetoric. Like, "paying hundreds of dollars to insist that your style of phrenology is extremely normal and you're just being framed by the DEI" kinds of cognitive dissonance. Mace Windu is imaginary. The word is not, at least, not in the same sense. The word carries with it centuries of pain and oppression with it as baggage. There is no similar history of actual discrimination and suffering among pretend robots, and there is no one, including you and the rest of these bozos, who actually thinks goofy cartoon characters getting hit with colored lazers in a film for idiots is equivalent to Genocide. Again I reiterate: this condescending dipshit thinks he is Good loving Person for trying to troll people into saying the N word and trivializing racism. He's just a stupid dog though. The mods allow it. You have to blame the owners Tezzorb fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Apr 16, 2025 |
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For a cool new show that also has droids in it, check out Apocalypse Hotel.
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RubiconCrosser posted:This is what I specifically am going through as we speak. I appear to have entered a thread in which 5+ people have deluded themselves into thinking the primary reason racism is bad is that it might contribute to the oppression of fictional characters It's important to understand that none of these people are serious. Some may be lying to themselves and have spent over ten years digging an irony pit so deep they can't hope to ever escape, but they do not actually think or act like Robo Genocide is real or worth caring about. The genesis of this behavior is this: Lucas wanted to create a movie with giant battles and enemy forces a baby can watch getting hacked apart by lightsabers, so he made them robots. They'd already established clones so that's the other side, basically just as bloodless and PG. The net result is that the war is mostly between two armies of indistinguishable cartoon characters that nobody including the author cares about. Rather than admit that this makes the movie bad, which is impossible, their minds collapse into apologia that it's actually carrying Important Subtext. This Subtext appears nowhere in the commentary tracks -nobody ever mentions it, even a little bit, ever- and the films do not ever focus on it even for a second, and in fact the directing treats the deaths of these redshirts as comedy relief when it even notices them at all. But it's easier to say that fictional characters are blind and incompetent than it is to say that the billionaire CEO author is blind and incompetent, especially if you work for Lucasfilm, and thus the desperate retcon campaign that's been going on since the later seasons of the Clone Wars cartoon
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RubiconCrosser posted:This is what I specifically am going through as we speak. I appear to have entered a thread in which 5+ people have deluded themselves into thinking the primary reason racism is bad is that it might contribute to the oppression of fictional characters The reason racism is bad is that it is an ideology that justifies the suffering of actual people in reality. Although fictional characters are fictional, you are not. When you write things about fiction, that is an action that you are taking in reality. That's inescapable. And, in reality, your movie review - your way of interpreting fiction - can communicate racism. So, let's talk about a p-zombies. Tezzor is using the term completely incorrectly due to ignorance, but we should be clear that a philosophical zombie is not just similar to a human person but literally physically identical in every possible way. This is because the entire point of the philosophical zombie as an outdated (and imo botched) thought experiment is solely to argue that consciousness is nonphysical. Because droids aren't physically identical to humans, the concept doesn't apply. (The whole thing's kinda dumb anyways, involving literally imagining a fantasy mirror-universe. Try actually reading it!) This isn't to beat that particular philosophical dead horse, but to point out that Tezzor has unwittingly revealed something through their ignorance. I mean, besides that they'll gladly deploy a pseudo-philosophical language of abused terminology to justify racism. They've confirmed that this is a fantasy of human slavery after all, since Tezzor is fully acknowledging the droids as outwardly human. They talk the same as us, indistinguishable, so the focus is squarely on how they objectively have physically different brain structures - in order to to hammer hard on the possibility that their pain sensors might not generate pain as we understand it. Now, here's the trick: this same rhetoric is used to justify actual slavery and other violence in reality. That's why I made reference to phrenology earlier. Racists genuinely believe that black people experience pain differently from other humans - specifically, that they can withstand much more of it. I wonder where that myth came from. So this is really dicey territory, and Tezzor is just bungling into it with no clue what they're talking about. Like, the whole "behold, ChatGPT!" thing doesn't make sense unless Tezzor genuinely believes there is currently no way to distinguish ChatGPT output from human psychology. And, frankly, that's something only a complete idiot believes. There's simply no actual basis for the argument against droid personhood. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Apr 16, 2025 |
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Tezzorb posted:It's important to understand that none of these people are serious. Some may be lying to themselves and have spent over ten years digging an irony pit so deep they can't hope to ever escape, but they do not actually think or act like Robo Genocide is real or worth caring about. The genesis of this behavior is this: Lucas wanted to create a movie with giant battles and enemy forces a baby can watch getting hacked apart by lightsabers, so he made them robots. They'd already established clones so that's the other side, basically just as bloodless and PG. The net result is that the war is mostly between two armies of indistinguishable cartoon characters that nobody including the author cares about. Rather than admit that this makes the movie bad, which is impossible, their minds collapse into apologia that it's actually carrying Important Subtext. This Subtext appears nowhere in the commentary tracks -nobody ever mentions it, even a little bit, ever- and the films do not ever focus on it even for a second, and in fact the directing treats the deaths of these redshirts as comedy relief when it even notices them at all. The robots are there so you can have bloodless PG action, but how else would you construct a parable film about the evils of war to children without boring or upsetting them?
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Tezzorb posted:They'd already established clones so that's the other side, basically just as bloodless and PG. ???
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FunkyAl posted:The robots are there so you can have bloodless PG action, but how else would you construct a parable film about the evils of war to children without boring or upsetting them? I'm not entirely convinced that the franchise "Star Wars," explicitly centered around the spectacle of fantasy war while selling millions of toy Space Tanks and Star Fighters, is in practice particularly "anti-war," except in that war can be a way for an evil wizard to take over the world, the way that George W. Bush did in real life
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Tezzorb posted:I'm not entirely convinced that the franchise "Star Wars," explicitly centered around the spectacle of fantasy war while selling millions of toy Space Tanks and Star Fighters, is in practice particularly "anti-war," except in that war can be a way for an evil wizard to take over the world, the way that George W. Bush did in real life So the 'clone war' in the movies was justified, in your view? Because no blood, right?
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josh04 posted:??? People are also so far down the hole of the ongoing retcon campaign that they just can't remember that the cartoon shows that make some of the clones actual characters are not actually the movies, in which clones are all non-entities whose job is to bite it by the thousands I also recall reading dudes upset that the clones turned on the Jedi because of a Brainwashing Chip, and the cartoons didn't affirm their edgelord fanon that the clones were just seething for revenge against the Jedi the whole time Tezzorb fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Apr 16, 2025 |
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