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The Rise of Skywalker was full of dramatic, compelling twists that could individually have been great to build off of, except that each one is shortly undone and their sheer proliferation adds up to a lot of hectic confusion, culminating in a nonsense climax. Ironically enough, even if they do feel compelled to uphold strict continuity, it would be simple for a hypothetical post-TROS film or series to simply negate TROS the way TROS started off negating a lot of TLJ. It leaves such a vague and arbitrary setting-state that a writer could treat it as a blank slate if they wanted. Squandered potential, but not unsalvageable. Rehabilitating the sequels is a different challenge than rehabilitating the prequels, however.
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The focus on the Death Star really works, all the Imperial bits imo were the best. I do like in particular the focus on how insanely big a project it was and how difficult it must be to design, requiring specialist expertise to actually get the superlaser weapon working. Also, I think they took an interesting tack on how the Death Star's weakness actually worked- that the central reactor was so overpowered and fragile that it'd be easy to set off like a bomb. It's quite likely that he never thought of the exhaust port as a particular weakness, and the scientist guy had expected the rebels to use sabotage or a suicide bombing (hell, Obi-Wan might have gotten away with it if he knew about it) rather than the whole longshot with the proton torpedo. Of course, gets real funny if you've seen Phineas and Ferb: Star Wars, the very first thing that Disney did when they bought the franchise, and ends up playing a lot with themes and ideas they'd use later. Aside from a major character being a defecting Stormtrooper, Darthenshmirtz is an evil Imperial scientist who desperately seeks recognition and Darth Vader's approval, gets no respect from anyone, personally works on the design of the Death Star and is unwittingly involved in what leads to its destruction. (Because he always puts a self destruct device on everything he builds, you see...)
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The first 2/3 of Rogue One are boring and tedious and the last 1/3 is a mess. That being said, it's got the right heart, it's very well shot, it nails the tone for what a modern Star Wars should be, and it has a very compelling ending. Certainly head and shoulders above most of the Disney era content and it's a shame we're getting a dozen Mandalorian spinoffs instead of more cool one-off movies like that. I really doubt that Andor is going to try and maintain the same sensibilities or aspirations.
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Jan 17, 2022 20:05
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Just Chamber posted:There's less meat to them than the prequels I agree but with certain audiences especially younger there's a big love of Kylo Ren, his relationship with Rey is all over the internet ... This is only barely related to the movies themselves at all, though. Like, the billions of Sonic Hedgehog OCs aren't proof that people love the gameplay in whatever latest videogame installment. ReyLo collapses unless isolated from the broader context. The (meta) narrative is that they're forever prevented from loving by the dumb nonsense events of the movies. Should consummation ever take place... well, what are they going to have for dinner afterwards?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:well, what are they going to have for dinner afterwards? I hear Sheev makes a mean stromboli
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feedmyleg posted:The first 2/3 of Rogue One are boring and tedious and the last 1/3 is a mess. That being said, it's got the right heart, it's very well shot, it nails the tone for what a modern Star Wars should be, and it has a very compelling ending. Certainly head and shoulders above most of the Disney era content and it's a shame we're getting a dozen Mandalorian spinoffs instead of more cool one-off movies like that. I really doubt that Andor is going to try and maintain the same sensibilities or aspirations. Well I can't say for sure on the latter but Tony Gilroy wrote like the first and second season of Andor and he is supposedly responsible for a lot of the rogue one reshoots. Maybe they will end up making a fun and effective spy story.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:This is only barely related to the movies themselves at all, though. Like, the billions of Sonic Hedgehog OCs aren't proof that people love the gameplay in whatever latest videogame installment. Whilst Sonic OCs maybe aren't proof they love the gameplay, you can guarantee every single one of those people on twitter etc with a Sonic OC went to see the latest Sonic film and contributed to its success at the box office, or will buy the next Sonic game and even if they hate it and complain, will still consume consume consume because they get to have more Sonic. I dont think the huge numbers of young (mostly) women obsessing over ReyLo give a poo poo about the meta narrative, instead they ship them and write fanfic on what could have been and want to see more of these characters, but also because separate from the plot they're actually enjoyable charismatic characters to watch on screen, it's the same for Finn and Poe, they just want to see more of them. What I was originally replying to was a post saying no one wants any sort of spin off style show akin to The Clone Wars, when actually that just isn't true. Certain people don't sure, the likely white men in their 30s and 40s itt I bet, but there's still plenty of fans who will, even those who don't hold a super positive view of the movies themselves, but of certain enjoyable aspects of them. I think they're trash films but if you gave me some more of Finn, or anything with Adam Driver as Kylo Ren I'm watching it like a hawk, plus it can't be worse than The Book of Boba Fett and that's specifically feeding on fans obsession with characters.
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OldSenileGuy posted:I hope we can all agree that Rogue One owns bones though  Rogue One rules and is quite possibly my favorite Star Wars movie.
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Robot Style posted:From the BTS material that's out there, it seems like the weird MacGuffin daisy chain came about because their original idea for the movie revolved around a sabotage device that First Order / Empire slaves had slowly devised over the years, which could disable the entire fleet. The original path they pitched to Bob Iger seems to be: https://twitter.com/sleemo/status/1196429612529655808 Or maybe it's just something Jedi and Sith keep doing to each other over the course of thousands of years?  Ghost Leviathan posted:Came up before but it's been pretty obvious that the move to sheer nostalgia milking was a recent thing based on the reception of TroS and its disappointing box office returns. Literally the only EU stuff that's directly referenced it was of all things the Lego Star Wars Holiday Special, which had a few things (like Rey training Finn as a Jedi) that were obviously attempts to win back the crowd by picking up on things the movies had teased and dropped for no good reason. The theme park stuff was obviously planned and developed along with the sequels, because materially building poo poo like that takes time. Funny thing is Duel of the Fates ended with Rey, Finn, and Rose as a throuple picking up where Luke left off, raising some force sensitive orphan kids, giving them a nice way to opening to continuing their adventures in the extended universe. TROS may have been a wet fart of an ending, but there's no reason they can't just say "yeah that end of Duel is what happened" when they want to continue from where they left off.    
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i like rogue one because its like one of the games i used to play with star wars legos and action figures but on the big screen
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So a couple, accompanied by children and looking at the sun, muse that one day the chosen one and protagonist of the triology, whose eyes were destroyed, will return?
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I really liked Rogue One, I'm a bit bummed out they decided to go with Cassian Andor as the main character, a guy I really had no interest in seeing more of after that movie, however if through him we get to see cool rebel poo poo I'm for it.
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Just Chamber posted:I really liked Rogue One, I'm a bit bummed out they decided to go with Cassian Andor as the main character, a guy I really had no interest in seeing more of after that movie, however if through him we get to see cool rebel poo poo I'm for it. If an Andor prequel means more K2S0 then I’m all in. Speaking of Tv shows, are we getting a Lando show with Donald Glover?
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Captain Splendid posted:So a couple, accompanied by children and looking at the sun, muse that one day the chosen one and protagonist of the triology, whose eyes were destroyed, will return? Any new storylines can pick up from there, if they want them to.
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Well if Daisy wants too. I don’t think the experience was really good for anyone except maybe Adam Driver. She even talked about not really landing many roles and that’s a shame imo
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I've really enjoyed the discussion of the last couple pages btw. This is the poo poo. I rewatched Rogue One a couple days ago. The mind-bending alien land squid near the end of act 1 is so weirdly placed. They build it up as a threat but it doesn't really do anything but daze an ancillary character?? There is also this moment where K2 is sent away "Go back to the ship and wait for us there" on Jedha and its ever so slightly odd. Like, they needed to get rid of him for the plot to move forward but didn't do any proper shoots around it. It kind of looks like they reshot the line, and he runs away in a video game/frictionless CGI way. I don't know, maybe I'm reading into it. I just think, much like Solo, you really see the seams of Rogue One. Its still my favourite of the Disney films and its freaking awesome in many ways. They blow up all the main characters. Good, yes, finally, something like that!
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The Death Star eclipse is really on the nose, but extremely dope nonetheless
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Rogue One is a loving mess that's real lucky it has a completely baller ending The baller ending is basically the entire second half of the movie.
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Rogue One owns, CG Tarkin is frustrating because at some points it almost convinces but the uniform/rank insignia just look plain bad and kill it
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The chuds can do No Women cuts of the prequels, but where's my No Tarkin cut of Rogue One
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Just get the guy who deepfaked and fixed Luke in Mando to redo Tarkin. Actually I think I heard Disney hired him after that.
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Neo Rasa posted:Rogue One owns, CG Tarkin is frustrating because at some points it almost convinces but the uniform/rank insignia just look plain bad and kill it isn't the uniform and rank insignias real?! I thought the CGI was only head up
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There will definitely be attempts to do redemptive readings* of the Disney SW's but it's gonna be an uphill battle. Like you gotta start with admitting that they're badly told even without all the cringey fan service. Whereas prequel defending always had the advantage of the high ground; just being good movies to begin with. *there's been a few on this very thread! Did an elephant draw these
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Blood Boils posted:Did an elephant draw these The coloring (done later) probably makes it look worse, actually
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After seeing years of movies where characters have flashbacks that are just clips from a past movie often of things the character wasn't even present for, I appreciate all those R2 memories being angled from their POV.Jerkface posted:isn't the uniform and rank insignias real?! I thought the CGI was only head up IIRC there was a real black uniform they CG'd it onto or something like some weird extra layer I think with the intent to make it match the face's lighting but I honestly can't remember, only that the end result was the uniform clashing with the face in a way that killed it for me.
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Neo Rasa posted:After seeing years of movies where characters have flashbacks that are just clips from a past movie often of things the character wasn't even present for, I appreciate all those R2 memories being angled from their POV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUIHzanm5Mk&t=208s Looks like he was just wearing the costume on set. Now that being said, nothing stops them from CGIing the entire upper body (they have ref dots on the costume) so likely a combination.
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Blood Boils posted:Whereas prequel defending always had the advantage of the high ground; Oh, you.
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Neo Rasa posted:After seeing years of movies where characters have flashbacks that are just clips from a past movie often of things the character wasn't even present for, I appreciate all those R2 memories being angled from their POV. It does bring up the question: Was R2 recording every single moment?
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Davros1 posted:It does bring up the question: Was R2 recording every single moment? Imagine they want to archive his whole memory bank because of all the poo poo R2 has been through and witnessed and they have to wade through literal years of stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaOmxbMhwRw
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Just Chamber posted:Just get the guy who deepfaked and fixed Luke in Mando to redo Tarkin. Actually I think I heard Disney hired him after that. Deepfaking something already created is like touching up the Mona Lisa instead of creating it by scratch. Most of the work is done and they're just basically putting details on top.
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Jewmanji posted:Disney paid $4 billion for LucasFilm. The force awakens paid for nearly half of that alone. They had made over 2 billion I believe in toy sales before force awakens came out. Thread does strike me as a very YouTube comments section. I like the ST. I find the last Jedi the one I like the least. rOS is a bit of a mess, but it’s fun. Kids do love ray. Kids do love the ST. And using the theme parks is a much better sample than new lego releases lol
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Neo Rasa posted:Rogue One owns, CG Tarkin is frustrating because at some points it almost convinces but the uniform/rank insignia just look plain bad and kill it It's really annoying because they keep cutting between Tarkin and Krennic, which kills the illusion. If Tarkin was in the scene by himself I think it would work better, but cutting between real man and CG man really throws us into the uncanny valley
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The ST was really good at tapping into a particular style of shipping-centered online fandom so it's staying power is probably gonna be tied to how that particular aspect of internet culture evolves. The plot could in theory also gets Prequels-style popular reinterpretations (though those were hugely helped by Lucas being a much bolder and more consistent storyteller in the first place), but for that it'd need attention and discussions and Disney doesn't seem to care about keeping those alive as opposed to recentering the franchise around the older eras. It's true that currently a Clone Wars-style expansion of the movies feels impossible. People generally liked the performances and the characters are the only aspect of the ST the fandom is invested in, so nostalgia will probably be best served by actor cameos over references to the setting itself.
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The Prequels EU storytelling potential was helped by them taking place over years of time in a defined universe. So you had all this space to tell all kinds of stories and a setting concrete enough to ground them in. What was character x doing during the clone war? How did Anakins years of training go? How do the events of the films effect this new character I just made up? And so on. The Sequels on the other hand take place over like a couple weeks, hell only like three days without TRoS. And there’s no actual setting for you to place your story in because the Sequels were allergic to world building. The whole point of having a setting is for characters to interact with it, but what is there from the sequels to interact with? You can’t say “Oh how would a *insert character profession* react to this facet of the setting.” because the setting isn’t defined enough to give the characters anything to bounce off.
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Rogue One is a middling film with a terrible story and some reasonable action sequences. It isn't even really a prequel (a prequel is supposed to still stand on it's own feet), it is more like a feature length warm up sequence for ANH. I'd still rewatch it before rewatching the Prequel trilogy, but as a film it absolutely does not stand up by itself and you could not recommend it to anyone who hadn't seen a Star Wars before. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Jan 18, 2022 |
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Just Chamber posted:I really liked Rogue One, I'm a bit bummed out they decided to go with Cassian Andor as the main character, a guy I really had no interest in seeing more of after that movie, however if through him we get to see cool rebel poo poo I'm for it. A Cassian Andor series has the same problem as a Solo or Obi Wan movie. No one was asking for it, but if done well it could be interesting. On the bright side, Cassian is basically a blank slate. LionArcher posted:And using the theme parks is a much better sample than new lego releases lol  The Clone Wars did a fair amount of work in rehabilitating the Prequel Trilogy. So why wouldn't a Clone Wars Cartoon set in the period of the First Order rise work?
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Darth TNT posted:A Cassian Andor series has the same problem as a Solo or Obi Wan movie. No one was asking for it, but if done well it could be interesting. On the bright side, Cassian is basically a blank slate. They had a Resistance cartoon and literally no one cared about it
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It didn’t look very good and I heard the main character was annoying. But I also just don’t like Star Wars cartoons. It needs to be live action because the world is just so cool to look at and I don’t get that feeling with a cartoon. Genndy’s Clone wars was cool tho
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The Clone Wars was something everyone wanted to see after the prequel movie. Its a huge and important "historical" event with big consequences, and it allowed them to show of star wars ships and tech and robots and jedi fighting and colorful troopers doing tactical stuff, and fill gaps on the story between movies The Resistance is a boring half arsed reboot of the rebels, it comes out of nowhere (just like their enemies) and does little but flee and wait for Rey to save the day, and people just dont want to think of it much because is dumb edit: I mean maybe it could be interesting to see how it came to be, but seems completely inconsequential: they could fill that hole with anything and it makes no difference, still is just a remake of the rebel alliance created to fight a remake of the empire Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jan 18, 2022 |
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