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Jerkface posted:Realistically Ahsoka COULD show up in a hypothetical season 2 because she is "Fulcrum" during the 2nd half of the season, but that would be a Filoni/Favreau move. For Tony Gilroy I bet any Jedis stay just off screen, in another room, while Andor and Cinta are teeing off on some space nazi's bean bag during an interrogation. I think we've seen enough depth and humanity out of the people of the Empire this season that it's time we move past calling them "space nazis". Fascism is just another form of governance at the end of the day; these people are just trying to get by like the rest of us. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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General Dog posted:I think we've seen enough depth and humanity out of the people of the Empire this season that it's time we move past calling them "space nazis". Fascism is just another form of governance at the end of the day; these people are just trying to get by like the rest of us. no
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General Dog posted:I think we've seen enough depth and humanity out of the people of the Empire this season that it's time we move past calling them "space nazis". Fascism is just another form of governance at the end of the day; these people are just trying to get by like the rest of us. Andor does an amazing job humanizing Syril and Dedra, but at the end of the day they are dreadful people who deserve to be punched, and I feel it's quite alright to call them space Nazis even though you saw what pathetic dweebs they are. You don't have hand it to them.
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TBH a lot of the ISB characters read to me like professional class, McKinsey type, politically moderate strivers who happily uphold a fascist system because they prioritize order over justice and because it provides them a career ladder to claim. Aka space Nazis.
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 After a long day designing camps Himmler just wanted to go home and read some of his grandpas old books. It was a frustrating afternoon when he couldn’t get a hold of his secretary to see if his new pens were coming in. Hopefully, Himmler has a better day tomorrow. He’s just trying to get by in this crazy world.
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General Dog posted:I think we've seen enough depth and humanity out of the people of the Empire this season that it's time we move past calling them "space nazis". Fascism is just another form of governance at the end of the day; these people are just trying to get by like the rest of us. It's funny that 'the banality of evil' has become a catchphrase to describe bureaucratic grey compliance with monstrous imperatives, because Arendt got it completely wrong; Eichmann was in no way banal, he was an enthusiastic proponent of murdering all the Jews, and he wrote at length about how committed he was to their extermination. He just pretended to be a nebbish bureaucrat to try to save his own skin and Arendt fell for it. Most of the Nazis knew exactly how they''d be judged for their acts, but willingly committed them anyway The banality of evil is roughly as fictional as Stockholm Syndrome. Nazis weren't just filling out forms and keeping order and happily cogging in the great machine. They were willing, knowing, enthusiastic monsters.
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Nov 26, 2022 18:28
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General Dog posted:I think we've seen enough depth and humanity out of the people of the Empire this season that it's time we move past calling them "space nazis". Fascism is just another form of governance at the end of the day; these people are just trying to get by like the rest of us. This is correct in that fascism is just an ordinary and ever-present modality of liberal democracy, c.f. George Jackson.
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General Battuta posted:It's funny that 'the banality of evil' has become a catchphrase to describe bureaucratic grey compliance with monstrous imperatives, because Arendt got it completely wrong; Eichmann was in no way banal, he was an enthusiastic proponent of murdering all the Jews, and he wrote at length about how committed he was to their extermination. He just pretended to be a nebbish bureaucrat to try to save his own skin and Arendt fell for it. Most of the Nazis knew exactly how they''d be judged for their acts, but willingly committed them anyway The first part is absolutely true, but Eichmann modeled his bureaucrat persona on one of his office clerks - so the argument has been made that the argument for the banality of evil still works, but it didn't actually apply to Eichmann himself. And more generally, my recommended starting point for understanding the psychology of mass murderers, Nazi or otherwise, is still Christoper Browning's Ordinary Men. Back to Star Wars, since I came to the thread for this, but don't want to double-post: Andor made me want to take a deeper look on Rogue One, and its tumultuous creation process. There's an excellent six-part podcast called Going Rogue on that, that I wanted to plug. I'm not sure if it has already been mentioned in here. https://twitter.com/goingrogue_pod/status/1572379279710879744?s=20&t=E8tGiOA0Dgjdc94nCa4u8w
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Star Wars: My Pussy Andor My Crack
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Grendels Dad posted:Andor does an amazing job humanizing Syril and Dedra, but at the end of the day they are dreadful people who deserve to be punched, and I feel it's quite alright to call them space Nazis even though you saw what pathetic dweebs they are. You don't have hand it to them. The finale does an excellent job humanizing its villains and still painting them as vile people. Syril is just this entitled loser who wants to be a hero so bad. Dedra's cold exterior cracks and she's absolutely terrified when she experiences violence first hand. The imperial officer who orders the shooting does so because he's frightened and humiliated after almost being beaten by the crowd.
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The show's pretty good at adding shade to those characters while still keeping them firmly villains. There's something fascinating in watching Dedra at work trying to get results and rise above her station even if she's still as bad as the rest of them, and Syril is this bundle of personality problems who of course makes the perfect Imperial drone.
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General Dog posted:I think we've seen enough depth and humanity out of the people of the Empire this season that it's time we move past calling them "space nazis". Fascism is just another form of governance at the end of the day; these people are just trying to get by like the rest of us. Say what you will about the empire, but the trains do run on time.
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well why not posted:Say what you will about the empire, but the trains do run on time. Which is why the heist in Solo works 
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Jerkface posted:Realistically Ahsoka COULD show up in a hypothetical season 2 because she is "Fulcrum" during the 2nd half of the season, but that would be a Filoni/Favreau move. For Tony Gilroy I bet any Jedis stay just off screen, in another room, while Andor and Cinta are teeing off on some space nazi's bean bag during an interrogation. The Rebels ship/surviving characters were originally going to be present at the Scarif battle in Rogue One (I think the Ghost is even still on screen very briefly or in a trailer?) so it wouldn't be too off for someone like that to pop up. Especially since season 2 is going to take place over several years that's a pretty wide scope of stuff to cover. Like it'd be a waste of course to do a Jedi arc but I feel like a lot of stuff I think would have definitively sucked poo poo in this season like Palpatine or Jedi appearing etc., I would trust this team to handle well now that Aldhani and Ferrix and Luthen's escape have happened so we're going to see much higher stakes and a way more aggressive empire Like it's not NEEDED for this series at all and I wouldn't miss it. But if they wanted to have a "what in the gently caress!!!" moment of someone wasting people with a lightsaber in a show like this, well, I DEFINITELY trust the people involved in Rogue One and Andor to handle that well. But it'd be cooler to not at all, the official rebellion wins their first victory over Scarif, followed by Vader entering the battle in a brutal way. That actually complements even just this season really well as a true "the emperor himself officially takes you seriously now" moment. Speaking of that lmao I like how the ISB said they realized killing everyone at the Kreeger raid was idiotic and not productive but it wasn't about performing the operation successfully, it was about stopping the emperor's feelings from being hurt about Aldhani lol that and the "Well he means what he says!" someone says about him earlier. It would rule though if some pale darkclothed sith inquisitor shows up at some point but just gets absolutely loving turbo murdered by rebels instantly. Like they do the relatively slow/flourishly stuff we see in Obi-Wan and Cinta just shanks them in the kidney while Andor or someone auto-blasters them. How did the whole galaxy go so fast from jedi/inquisitors everywhere to some people not even thinking the force is a thing by A New Hope? Because the inquisitors suck poo poo and got owned lol Like imagine the head inquisitor in Obi-Wan doing that spinny saber public execution thing on Ferrix the empire wouldn't even find a body he'd just be GONE Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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Neo Rasa posted:The Rebels ship/surviving characters were originally going to be present at the Scarif battle in Rogue One (I think the Ghost is even still on screen very briefly or in a trailer?) so it wouldn't be too off for someone like that to pop up. There was an episode of Rebels set immediately after Mon Mothma gives her speech condemning the Ghorman massacre and is forced to flee Coruscant, where the ship she's travelling on meets up with the Ghost and they get her to safety while she calls together the disparate rebel cells. The show's clearly building up to her doing that (and Tony Gilroy's mentioned the Ghorman Massacre interviews), so while they probably won't do a full retelling of that episode, I could see them at least showing her ship blasting into hyperspace to go meet with them.
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Oh hey, she was getting het up about the Ghormans in a couple of scenes earlier in the season. Something about their shipping lanes being cut off and it being tantamount to genocide
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2house2fly posted:Oh hey, she was getting het up about the Ghormans in a couple of scenes earlier in the season. Something about their shipping lanes being cut off and it being tantamount to genocide A big hologram billboard of Padme that says "MISS ME YET?"
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2house2fly posted:It's a bit like Revenge Of The Sith in that respect, the first two prequels were all breezy and upbeat but for the third George Lucas is all but looking at the camera and saying "but seriously kids, there's nothing cool about fascism" Uhhh Attack of the Clones was not breezy.
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Attack of the clones contains some of every possible tone, cancelling out to no tone in particular
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I hope Andor Stalin-pills some nerds and also if a Jedi shows up in season 2 the rebels rightfully hang him.
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Attack of the Clones has sort of a weird wry tone, it depends quite a bit on the audience recognizing that poo poo is starting to go wrong and none of this is going to end well. The key moment being when the cavalry rides in to save everyone on Geonosis but wait they're stormtroopers and that's the Imperial logo and they're firing little Death Star guns and Star Destroyers are in the background, oh, right, this is how it happened...
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Or the part where Obi-Wan goes on his adventure in a miniature Star Destroyer after several scenes of being told the Jedi are blind to the world around them, and are too arrogant to see the corruption that's right under their noses.
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Danger posted:I hope Andor Stalin-pills some nerds and also if a Jedi shows up in season 2 the rebels rightfully hang him. I believe Qui Gon meant well, but his existence is surely a net negative for the galaxy.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Attack of the Clones has sort of a weird wry tone, it depends quite a bit on the audience recognizing that poo poo is starting to go wrong and none of this is going to end well. The key moment being when the cavalry rides in to save everyone on Geonosis but wait they're stormtroopers and that's the Imperial logo and they're firing little Death Star guns and Star Destroyers are in the background, oh, right, this is how it happened... I'm sure I'm borrowing the observation from this very thread or one of its forebears, but the "twist" of AoTC echoes the twist of Empire Strikes Back- the Empire didn't kill the Republic, it is the Republic.
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well why not posted:I believe Qui Gon meant well, but his existence is surely a net negative for the galaxy. the only person who possibly fucks it worse than qui-gon is yoda
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I talked to his hairdresser the other day, and he dyes it to be incognito in public.
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2house2fly posted:George Lucas's hair is fully white these days i think Much like his casting decisions.
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Skrill.exe posted:Much like his casting decisions. 
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No Mods No Masters posted:Attack of the clones contains some of every possible tone, cancelling out to no tone in particular I mean that's Star Wars, it has a bit of everything, for everyone. Ewoks are funny little savage teddy bears, and then you see one get killed in battle and be mourned by their friend. Maxwell Lord posted:Attack of the Clones has sort of a weird wry tone, it depends quite a bit on the audience recognizing that poo poo is starting to go wrong and none of this is going to end well. The key moment being when the cavalry rides in to save everyone on Geonosis but wait they're stormtroopers and that's the Imperial logo and they're firing little Death Star guns and Star Destroyers are in the background, oh, right, this is how it happened... Pretty much that entire era of Star Wars is constantly dripping with dramatic irony, especially all the EU stuff and both Clone Wars cartoons. You know things are going to go bad and the ending will be tragic, the only question is how. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvamRJvAB2U
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty much that entire era of Star Wars is constantly dripping with dramatic irony, especially all the EU stuff and both Clone Wars cartoons. You know things are going to go bad and the ending will be tragic, the only question is how. I love that bit. Anakin just loving shanks a dude, the good guys win, but....
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My favourite part about that oft repeated shot of George chowing down on some dingy mall court Chinese is that it happened in my little city in nowhere Australia. IIRC he was accompanying his wife on her business trip. Which reminds me I should finally get around to watching Red Tails. I know he kept saying for years he wanted to just go back to making small scale little experimental films. I wonder if that was all just ego defending talk after the prequel hate, or if he actually did so under a pseudonym.
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mllaneza posted:I love that bit. Anakin just loving shanks a dude, the good guys win, but.... The snippet of The Imperial March, you know this is how Darth Vader happens. AotC is about a war that's literally manufactured, you see the actual factories in which both of the armies are made, wound up and marched against each other like toys. The resulting war sequence is fun but also very much intended to be ominous, once you know the engines of war are starting and aren't going to stop, and you realise what one side is going to turn into.
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That makes me wonder if anyone ever did anything notable with the Trade Federation post-ROTS. Obviously they mostly all died, but surely a lost battalion of the roger roger guys tried to jump Luke in an EU novelization or something
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Wolfsheim posted:That makes me wonder if anyone ever did anything notable with the Trade Federation post-ROTS. Obviously they mostly all died, but surely a lost battalion of the roger roger guys tried to jump Luke in an EU novelization or something There was a Super Tactical Droid named Kalani (appeared in TCW S5 The Soft War and Tipping Points, and Rebels S3 The Last Battle episodes) who refused the shutdown command due to perceiving it as a Republic trick and kept his droids operational, but they never left their planet until shortly before A New Hope and haven't been seen or heard of since, even though the end of S4 gave them the perfect opening, and they instead opted for space whale ex machina Perhaps Ahsoka will do something with them, or Mando S3
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