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Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker
breaking news: The Acolyte had an actually pretty sweet lightsaber fight in ep 5. The writing and a few obnoxious cuts, not so much, but it's the first one that really entertained me in a while.

edit: movies included

Glottis fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jun 27, 2024

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Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Glottis posted:

breaking news: The Acolyte had an actually pretty sweet lightsaber fight in ep 5. The writing and a few obnoxious cuts, not so much, but it's the first one that really entertained me in a while.

yeah, it's really fun and the choreography is excellent. you can probably skip the previous 4 episodes and not miss anything, the plot is insanely shallow and nothing really happened.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


We're getting into goofball villain is impossible to fight with any amount of help territory

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Upsidads posted:

We're getting into goofball villain is impossible to fight with any amount of help territory

Just like Snoke and Palpatine; so proud of them carrying on the tradition

So when does The Stranger drop a meteor on the Jedi

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


I feel silly saying I like more grounded stories, but then I remember Andor exists and it's somewhat doable.
Counterpoint:rest of Star Wars

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000



Ultra Carp

Upsidads posted:

I feel silly saying I like more grounded stories, but then I remember Andor exists and it's somewhat doable.
Counterpoint:rest of Star Wars

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Upsidads posted:

We're getting into goofball villain is impossible to fight with any amount of help territory

sith: i can 1vs8 you and win, the dark side rules
jedi: yeah we'll all die full of lightsaber holes but our fundraising network is unparalleled

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

Ammanas posted:

sith: i can 1vs8 you and win, the dark side rules
jedi: yeah we'll all die full of lightsaber holes but our fundraising network is unparalleled

This is a metaphor for the DNC I'm just not sure how yet

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Upsidads posted:

We're getting into goofball villain is impossible to fight with any amount of help territory

Uh he gets subdued multiple times in the very episode we're talking about.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udeQ7dSixJY

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Uh he gets subdued multiple times in the very episode we're talking about.

Can't be effective subduing if he gets out and about to get subdued again.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Ends unscathed with a high kill count gonna give him the W

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

The explanation the Legends continuity came up with for why the Jedi aren't very good in combat unless they're protagonists is that most of them use a form of lightsaber combat that's just really lovely on purpose.

Since the Sith haven't been seen in centuries, there's not really anyone to actually fight. Getting really into lightsaber combat was seen as unnecessary during peacetime, so the vast majority of Jedi opted into learning a lightsaber form that covered some basic techniques from every other style, but was intentionally truncated to give them more time to focus on other Jedi stuff.

The Sith on the other hand were specifically training to fight Jedi, so tended to be able to handle themselves better, even against multiple opponents.

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

I like the explanation in the episode when Sol complains about Qimir not following the rules.

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006

The children's sword class in acolyte has older kids with bostaffs compared to episode 2's very young kids w laser swords. seems like a choice to show they aren't prepared, although the alien padawan did alright against the stranger

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Wolfsheim posted:

This is a metaphor for the DNC I'm just not sure how yet

yeah i wasnt being very subtle :p

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
You know I really should have seen the reveal of the villain's identity coming when he shouted "BORTLES!" just before attacking.

In all seriousness I'm embarrassed I didn't recognize Manny Jacinto.

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker

Maxwell Lord posted:

You know I really should have seen the reveal of the villain's identity coming when he shouted "BORTLES!" just before attacking.

In all seriousness I'm embarrassed I didn't recognize Manny Jacinto.


I thought that actor did an awesome job. The several moments leading up to that reveal were A+, too.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I'm not going to look back at anything or remember anything that someone said about me or an opinion that was had, I'm going to think about the championships that we won.
The republic would have had constant border skirmishes and relatively low key insurrections. The Jedi would have been fighting all the time

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012

pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uQa51olDDU

another pro click from Robot Style and friends

SolarFire2
Oct 16, 2001

"You're awefully cute, but unfortunately for you, you're made of meat." - Meat And Sarcasm Guy!

I wonder if you'll still get bonuses for finding and returning escaped slaves.

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

euphronius posted:

The republic would have had constant border skirmishes and relatively low key insurrections. The Jedi would have been fighting all the time

who were they having border skirmishes with? and what is a space border

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

To hear Lucas tell it, the Republic wasn't having conflicts with any external forces that would require Jedi intervention, and the Jedi were basically just there to make sure everyone within the Republic was playing nice with each other, under penalty of death.

George Lucas posted:

They are just— the mafia. Or, as Teddy Roosevelt would say, y'know, they negotiate disputes between planets, between things— they aren’t like policemen or anything—But they negotiate with a big stick, with a big lightsaber. So ‘if you don’t sort of come to a conclusion with your dispute with each other, I will settle it for you’.”

George Lucas posted:

The idea was to establish Jedi as what they were, which is sort of peacekeepers who moved through the galaxy to settle disputes. They aren’t policemen, they aren’t soldiers; they’re mafia dons. They come in and sit down with the two different sides and say, “Okay, now we’re going to settle this.”

George Lucas posted:

They’re monks first, and they try to convince people to get along. And if you don’t comply, your hands come off.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Not gonna lie, that last quote goes hard as gently caress

Zeta Niloticus
Nov 6, 2007


Robot Style posted:

To hear Lucas tell it, the Republic wasn't having conflicts with any external forces that would require Jedi intervention, and the Jedi were basically just there to make sure everyone within the Republic was playing nice with each other, under penalty of death.

lucas making a movie set in the old republic would have owned

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
Did someone interview him recently on Twitter or in some kind of written format? I watched his interview at cannes which bummed me out because he has begun to display the unfocus of aging.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Wtf are sith then

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
They're grey jedi

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


this raises more questions

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Sith like to cause problems on purpose

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Upsidads posted:

Wtf are sith then

With the caveat that we see all of two of them in the films, I think the closest bet is a religious/political order that used their force powers to help maintain their control, with (maybe?) the distinction of ruling directly and openly rather than being more hands off (so to speak) like the Jedi.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

Upsidads posted:

Wtf are sith then

Sith

are

poo poo

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Grendels Dad posted:

Sith

are

poo poo

yodas bumper sticker with a little yoda guy peeing on the word sith

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

Cruising the information superhighway
In the same way that Jedi are heavily implied to derive from some Space Buddhist monastic order, the Sith's past seems like it's come from Way of the Alpha self-improvement dominance politics.

Chieves
Sep 20, 2010

FunkyAl posted:

Did someone interview him recently on Twitter or in some kind of written format? I watched his interview at cannes which bummed me out because he has begun to display the unfocus of aging.

Dude has always been a bit out there, bummer if it's become even more pronounced.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

In the same way that Jedi are heavily implied to derive from some Space Buddhist monastic order, the Sith's past seems like it's come from Way of the Alpha self-improvement dominance politics.

If you're going to lean on the Jedi as Buddhists, clearly Sith should be Wu-tang.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


lazer welding alpha dawgs fits

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Sith are just cokeheads.

To be more serious, I've said a buncha times for a reason that the Sith have repeated motifs of the cycle of abuse (see every depiction of sith apprenticeship) and drug abuse, with physical and mental deterioration resulting from both, and they inflict it on everyone around them. Back to Darth Vader being a broken man imprisoned in a walking iron lung, who can't breathe without mechanical intervention, and his signature use of his power is to choke others. And he serving a shrivelled, cackling dark wizard sitting on a throne at the heart of a mighty empire, every moment gleefully wallowing in his crapulence, and who tempts the hero like the Devil taking Jesus up atop the mountain, to give in to his inhibitions and be freed from doubt and hesitation.

If the Jedi are 'religion's greatest hits' as has been put, based on a mishmash of pop understandings of Christianity and vaguely Buddhist spirituality, then the Sith are everything abhorrent to both ideas; the embrace of worldly temptation and power, the dismissal of consequences and the feelings of others, in favour of exclusively indulging one's ego and base desires- including of course running terrified from death, because there's nothing in the world more important than your own career.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

In the same way that Jedi are heavily implied to derive from some Space Buddhist monastic order, the Sith's past seems like it's come from Way of the Alpha self-improvement dominance politics.

Also yeah pretty much this. There's a reason those are always synonymous with heavy drug abuse, too.

Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jul 2, 2024

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

Grendels Dad posted:

Sith

are

poo poo

*taps on post*

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Ghost Leviathan posted:

If the Jedi are 'religion's greatest hits' as has been put, based on a mishmash of pop understandings of Christianity and vaguely Buddhist spirituality, then the Sith are everything abhorrent to both ideas; the embrace of worldly temptation and power, the dismissal of consequences and the feelings of others, in favour of exclusively indulging one's ego and base desires- including of course running terrified from death, because there's nothing in the world more important than your own career.
Yeah, you said it better than I could. The Jedi are a melange of 70s pop-spirituality that I find a little hard to sum up; the Sith are pure wille zur macht.

Apropos of nothing, in the EU, it seems the most consistent features of Sith are talking about overcoming fear, prizing "survival of the fittest," and then indiscriminately exterminating entire populations with super-WMDs.

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