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bunnyofdoom posted:Is there any canonical sex bots in Disney Canon.? Old EU had guri at least There's luxury droids (or Bettie Bots, as noted last page)  Pleasing to look at and probably come with massage programming, other services unconfirmed because there's some things better left to the imagination Also sometimes murdery, as a pair killed a chef at Takodana Castle, as chronicled in 2016's Tales from a Galaxy Far, Far Away: Aliens: Volume I
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Seldom Posts posted:Isn't R2D2 essentially a force user? most critically, he projects blue ghosts that let people communicate across time and space.
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Tezzorb posted:Ferrinus is using this metaphor, specifically, because his only coherent response to the commentary tracks completely demolishing this idiocy was to literally say that they are lies to trick us, which I compared to the belief that God planted the dinosaur bones to test our faith, and which he has clearly been stewing over in his black T-shirt and waist-length hair since the Obama administration That's not what I said. In fact I believe my point was that while I can very easily square Lucas's statements with the fact that droids are people, Jedi are morally compromised, etc, if you think they irreconcilably contradict then you must believe that Lucas is deliberately lying, since of course the films are the films no matter what anyone says about them post facto. I didn't remember the specifics of any of your rhetoric until you brought it up, of course. Why would I? It'd be like remembering the precise wording of a Mr. Wiggles post or something.
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Seldom Posts posted:Isn't R2D2 essentially a force user? I don't think R2D2 could wield the Force, but he could allow the Force to wield him. I don't mind midichlorians that much as long as they're a symptom of the Force and not the cause, but it seems like you would have to draw a pretty hard line in the sand about droid Jedi unless they have, like, kidneys grafted into them.
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Don't forget the time R2-D2 electrocuted some insolent fool.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Star Wars reflects a lot of the “mechanization of society” fears that also informed THX 1138 and just about every other dystopia at the time- the fear that along with computers in the office and all sorts of other technological innovations, humanity would be lost in the name of regimented efficiency. So in the first movie Luke learns to trust his feelings more than a targeting computer and even Vader says the “technological terror” of the Death Star isn’t as powerful as The Force. That theme does stay persistent in the series. I don’t think that’s actually the case. Like, for one example, THX goes to his local church-booth and prays to a copy of Memling’s Christ Giving His Blessing - a painting from the year 1478. The painting is accompanied by a calming prerecorded voice, stating generic messages of affirmation. Now, is this saying that Catholicism was way more legit back in the late 1400s, before it became all mechanized? No; the commentary is on organized religion itself - on the role of the church in society. The ambiguity, though, is when the film cuts to a view of the tape recorders inside the painting, and shows us that the circuitry is inhabited by a tiny lizard. This image could also be interpreted as being about nature versus mechanization, I suppose, but I think the key point is that the lizard-God is equally impassive and indifferent as the machine. The lizard does not give a poo poo - yet we can immediately intuit that he is ‘better’ because there is no false assurance, no pretence of communication. The lizard simply ‘is’ and, in that blunt existence, presents a kind of ecological message of awareness of how systems interrelate. The lizard is not outside of the machine; it is presumably making use of the halogen lighting to attract the bugs it must be feeding on, using the waste heat to adjust its body temperature, etc. And the machine, likewise, is not outside of nature. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Apr 14, 2025 |
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Outpost22 posted:Uhhhh...i didn't know quote about mace windu was true they're saving that for the next trilogy
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Guy A. Person posted:did you read the substance of his argument or...? Okay okay sorry I admit it. I wouldn't call R2-D2 the n-word either
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banned from Starbucks posted:Is there a prize for the mace windu challenge or...? If the Challenge is passed, then I will be defeated on the topic of droid rights in Star Wars. They will have proven themselves to not be hypocrites and liars, but true believers in what they say.
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Who are the non-Jedi we see hocking a lightsaber about? R2, Grievous, Han, Finn, anyone else?
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Tezzor has vanished. In his absence, the sinister SuperMechaGodzilla has risen from the ashes and will not stop until Mace Windu, the fictional character, has been slurred.
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josh04 posted:Who are the non-Jedi we see hocking a lightsaber about? R2, Grievous, Han, Finn, anyone else? Most of the wielders of the Darksaber in the various shows/cartoons (Pre and Paz Vizsla, Mando, Bo-Katan, Gideon, Sabine kinda). Cad Bane uses one briefly during a fight as well.
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Some old EU writers got weird ideas about it, but it's generally established that a lightsaber is a weapon and tool like anything else and you don't need space magic to turn it on and off. It's just usually more trouble than it's worth to actually use in battle, unless you have no other options, since most people can't pull off the crazy poo poo Jedi and Sith do without Force training. (or in Greivous' case, crazy cyborg implants and intense training) Even the Darksaber tends to be used more as a status symbol than a practical weapon outside of particular circumstances. Watching the OG '79 Mobile Suit Gundam and now Zeta Gundam is a fun journey, there's definite Star Wars influences beyond the obvious ones. Oddly enough, it actually feels a bit like going from the prequel era to the OT, where battle lines have been redrawn after the last conflict and the protagonist faction has become the antagonists, and the new protagonists are a plucky resistance motived by justice for atrocities committed by the bigoted and thuggish new authorities who wear fancy black uniforms, but struggling to maintain cohesion as old enemies have found themselves on the same side. vvv: That's also definitely a vibe, though it's probably not explicit. Jedi do make a big point of their lightsabers as symbols of their station and personal statements, one of the few personal belongings they usually have. And Sith, even ones like Maul who aren't Jedi defectors, seem quite proud of theirs too, often showing off unorthodox styles. Dooku training Greivous is an interesting bit, since Greivous more or less explicitly isn't a Sith and has no pretentions of being one, but he specifically trains himself (and his droids!) to be an anti-Jedi weapon, in a style that's certainly not NOT like Sith philosophy. While iirc it's obvious Dooku and Greivous hate each other personally, there seems to be a measure of personal respect for someone willing and able to beat Jedi at their own game. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Apr 14, 2025 |
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Well, it's because it's basically a samurai sword right? A non-Jedi "can't" use a lightsaber in the same way a non-Samurai can't use that weapon, i.e. it's a class relationship first and foremost. Dooku training Grievous is transgressive etc.
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Grievous in the movie also plainly sucks at using lightsabers - in the sense that while you can use a LMG to shoot skeet it is kind of missing the point
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Watching the OG '79 Mobile Suit Gundam and now Zeta Gundam is a fun journey, there's definite Star Wars influences beyond the obvious ones. Oddly enough, it actually feels a bit like going from the prequel era to the OT, where battle lines have been redrawn after the last conflict and the protagonist faction has become the antagonists, and the new protagonists are a plucky resistance motived by justice for atrocities committed by the bigoted and thuggish new authorities who wear fancy black uniforms, but struggling to maintain cohesion as old enemies have found themselves on the same side. Interestingly enough, before working on Gundam that crew at Sunrise made a cartoon called Daitarn 3. It's pretty much a Saturday morning kid's show, but the bad guys are cyborgs from Mars and the show ends with the suggestion that the hero may have unwittingly permitted the conflict to catastrophically escalate as a result of his personal prejudice against robot people. Not that this children's cartoon moral has any relevance to any current discussion.
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https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-zero-companyquote:Recruit an unconventional team of operatives and deploy them on missions unlike any other in the galaxy far, far away in Star Wars Zero Company! 
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Tezzorb posted:No matter how many decades you spend whining about it, imaginary robots in a children's film aren't a minority group. Further, in my headcanon, which is inviolate according to rules of here in The Spaz Room, droids are simply an advanced LLM, non-sapient, and not people. I take this position mostly to upset you and because I think it's very funny how self-righteous and condescending you idiots get about people being dismissive of the Genocide of goofy cartoon robots that nobody including the characters in the film and the author care about at all. But also my position is bolstered by the universe of these films, in which there is an afterlife, magic, souls, and life energy, and these robots canonically don't have any of these. They're p-zombies. They're not people. Just wires and auto-complete.
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm kind of curious how many times he'll pay to come back, personally. No one's ever really gone
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Wake me up when they have a Clone Wars musou.
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Zeta Niloticus posted:star wars x-com X-
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2house2fly posted:Didn't Lucas prevent some aliens from being Jedi in the EU, like wookies? Wouldn't that means wookies don't have the force and are also p-zombies? There was that one goon who called Chewbacca a dog.
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I assume they were less referring to his sapience and more to the fact that Lucas based him on his large furry malamute who would sit in his passenger seat while he drove around.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:He did but he was really inconsistent about it, to the extent that there was a Wookie youngling in TCW. He said it after the Dark Nest Trilogy, in 2005, which would've been around the time he was thinking about TCW, so he probably didn't want EU Wookiee Jedi to overshadow whatever characters he introduced throughout TCW Which then led to the whole Mandalorian debate and Traviss's meltdown Lowbacca was exiled to Dagobah at the end of The Swarm War, though he did appear in several other novels after that (he made his comeback in Legacy of the Force: Inferno, and appeared a few times in Fate of the Jedi)
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa are subhuman monkey-creatures.
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LarsPorsenna posted:Bigger Leia Leeia
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ungulateman posted:see also Lucas making extensive reference to the 'light side' when discussing the Force in his personal notes or interviews, while the films prior to Disney only refer to 'the Force' and 'the Dark Side'. I I remember correctly, even the Mortis arc (which is a very stupid dream sequence) references "the light" in abstract terms rather than outright calling the good side 'the light side'. Luke’s outfit in ep three starts showing white in the climatic scene which is pretty explicit light side language
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Which st movie even establishes that droids don't have souls? Leia & Han don't get force ghosts, does that mean they're p zombies too?banned from Starbucks posted:Is there a prize for the mace windu challenge or...? the greatest prize a goon could ever dream of achieving, defeating SMG in a sci-fi movie argument Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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Blood Boils posted:Which st movie even establishes that droids don't have souls? Leia & Han don't get force ghosts, does that mean they're p zombies too? Look who forgot about the last minute of Ep IX lol
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Blood Boils posted:Which st movie even establishes that droids don't have souls? Leia & Han don't get force ghosts, does that mean they're p zombies too? Well droids don't have midichlorians. Since midichlorians are necessary for life per Qui-gon, droids by definition aren't alive, and thus are connected to the force on the same level as a rock. Luminous beings are we, unlike fuckin droids, lol.
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Vinylshadow posted:He said it after the Dark Nest Trilogy, in 2005, which would've been around the time he was thinking about TCW, so he probably didn't want EU Wookiee Jedi to overshadow whatever characters he introduced throughout TCW I thought he said it behind-the-scenes to people working on one of the KotORs as well or something.
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Ready to be wrong here, but is it stated anywhere definitively that droids don't have midichlorians?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I thought he said it behind-the-scenes to people working on one of the KotORs as well or something. Obsidian wasn't allowed to make Hanharr a Dark Jedi; Lucas wanted them to be rare, which was pointed out in TCW's A Test of Strength in S5 (released 2012) Hanharr was also supposed to die on Malachor saving the Exile but was thought to be too similar to Chewie's death in Vector Prime and was scrapped
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BiggestBatman posted:Ready to be wrong here, but is it stated anywhere definitively that droids don't have midichlorians? where would they be, the wirestream?
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